(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Let's be a bit more precise, Dave.

Since he won't enter the race, he won't even be a runner up.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Amateur Radio is not a race. Until you get your facts right, you'll
continue to be wrong.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators. You just never know when you
might need one, and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Brian, there's no use trying to argue with "Quitefine," an unconvincing
screen surrogate of James P. Miccolis. :-)

He is stuck in the morsemanship rut and not even a Land Rover can
yank him out.

Let him admire the code keys on display at the AWA and let him
live in the past pioneers' time, which he did not.

I find that intriguing coming from a man who feels compelled to make
numerous posts, spanning the better part of a decade, to a newsgroup
dealing with an endeavor in which he has no part.

You say he has no part, yet he has contributed to the amateur
literature,

Literature? I'll concede that Leonard authored some articles for a
commericial venture in the form of an amateur radio magazine. That
didn't make him a radio amateur.

Yet he has played a part. Didn't you say he plays no part?

Len plays no part in amateur radio. Your illustration shows him playing
a role in the writing game.

and he has commented on amateur matters to the FCC.

By your logic, comments to the Commission on broadcast station ownership
make one involved in broadcasting. Len's comments didn't make him a
radio amateur.

Broadcast stations have a responsibility to the community.

People with radio receivers play a part.

People who make comments WRT a broadcasts stations activities play a part.

Regulators of broadcast stations play a part.

Oh, you've left so many out of the list of those playing a vital role in
broadcasting, "William". There are the battery sellers, those who
provide electrical power to your home, telephone and cellular company
employees who enable "talk radio" to work, thousands and thousands of
musicians (living and dead), all the Chinese laborers who produce the
crappy radio equipment sold in the millions of units, the folks at Radio
Shack and Wal-Mart who sell us those Chinese radios. Yes, young
"William" all of these play a vital role in broadcasting. Lord
almighty, you are such a Jeter!

There
are probably amateurs (the kind with a license) who have made fewer
contributions than has Len.

Is something one does for money a contribution? Is something which
results in a negative action a contribution? Is something which results
in no action a contribution?

You're so full of ???'s today. You'll have to ask the FCC.

I don't think so. The FCC isn't likely to have the answers. You're
awfully big on asking questions. Why don't you take a stab at answering
some of them?

How strange that you say he has no part.

Len has no amateur radio license.

Neither does that Powell kid.

That "Powell kid"? Do you mean the chairman of the FCC--the one who
receives a salary for overseeing the regulation of communications in the
United States? Len H. receives no such salary and has no such power.
Is that clear enough? Powell regulates. Anderson does not. Powell
receives a hefty salary to regulate. Anderson does not.

Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

Len may operate -amateur- radio equipment while you are the control operator.

Like hell he will with me as the control op.

Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.

Are you a regulator of amateur radio?

I'll bet you've seen this befo No, I'm not a regulator but I am an
active participant in amateur radio.

Am I to understand that only regulators of amateur radio "play a part?"

You might understand that. It would likely be incorrect. Those who are
participants play an even bigger part that regulators.

I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

I find you strange.

But then, you seem to find it tough to tell the difference. You seem to
think Leonard H. Anderson is normal.

Len plays no part in amateur radio despite your convoluted attempts at
reason.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len has no amateur radio license. Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs. Len is not a regulator of amateur radio.
I don't find that strange at all. I find it fitting.

Davie boy is NOT a regulator of amateur radio.

No, Davie boy is a long time actual participant. Lennie boy is neither
a regulator nor a participant. He is to amateur radio what a weed
whacker is to sky diving.

Davie boy is NOT keeping within bounds of the subject thread.

Lennie boy hasn't done that in the years I've read his extensive output.

Davie boy still puts on the ASS rental uniform and makes like
a bad imitation of Otto Preminger's character in "Stalag 17."

I've been promoted? To think, when you told me to shut up, I was only a
feldwebel.

Davie boy...I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment.

So you've told us on countless occasions. Of course, that would seem to
be a mode dependent statement.

I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

That's funny, I thought I said that. I'll not that you are not in the
military so "as a civilian" would be the only way for you to emit RF in
the ham bands. Ah, but you can't do that.

You have self-established "definitions" which are incorrect outside
of amateurism.

"Amateurism"? What, pray tell, is that? The only definition I'm
concerned with, Lennie boy, is the one which prevents you from taking to
the air under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

To use your definitions in your own quaint way of
defining things, I couldn't even check out radios on a bench in a
clean room. :-)

....not transmitters with an antenna attached under Part 97, you
couldn't.
My "quaint way" says that you aren't a ham. It really is that simple.


You imply (incorrectly) that I could not, ever,
"operate" any radio in any HF place...which is not truth according
to U.S. radio regulations.

I implied no such thing, Lennie boy. I wrote quite precisely what I
meant to convey. I couldn't care less about where you operate HF as a
non-radio amateur which, after all, is what you are.

Amateur radio operators are NOT authorized to emit RF outside of
amateur radio bands...unless they have a valid commercial radio
operator's license.

Do you think that comes as a surprise to those of us who are radio
amateurs? Is it your feeling that we'd feel hurt by such a statement?

Some amateurs, like Davie boy, seem to think they are authorized
to emit all sorts of feces-surrogate remarks on the Internet. :-)

If you're the feces-surrogate, I'm authorized. :-) :-)

Tsk.

Double Tsk.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

Len may operate -amateur- radio equipment while you are the control operator.

Like hell he will with me as the control op.

Dave K8MN

There's the amateur spirit.

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/10/2004 11:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Davie boy...I am fully qualified, by long experience and training
to "operate" radio equipment.

So you've told us on countless occasions. Of course, that would seem to
be a mode dependent statement.

I'm just not AUTHORIZED to emit
RF within U.S. amateur radio bands as a civilian.

That's funny, I thought I said that. I'll not that you are not in the
military so "as a civilian" would be the only way for you to emit RF in
the ham bands. Ah, but you can't do that.

Nor is Lennie AUTHORIZED to emit RF within any OTHER band, except within
the limits of the STATION LICENSE of the person or entity who retains his
services, and then ONLY when acting under the auspices of that license.

So sayeth the FCC.

You have self-established "definitions" which are incorrect outside
of amateurism.

"Amateurism"? What, pray tell, is that? The only definition I'm
concerned with, Lennie boy, is the one which prevents you from taking to
the air under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

I am wondering about those "self-established "definitions"" too.

Seems to me that all of the licensed persons here (with the exception of
Vippy) pretty much understand all of the "definitions". The one who is
confused and keeps trying to re-write any "definitions" is the guy without the
license and without any practical experience in AMATEUR Radio.

To use your definitions in your own quaint way of
defining things, I couldn't even check out radios on a bench in a
clean room.

...not transmitters with an antenna attached under Part 97, you
couldn't.
My "quaint way" says that you aren't a ham. It really is that simple.

You imply (incorrectly) that I could not, ever,
"operate" any radio in any HF place...which is not truth according
to U.S. radio regulations.

You MAY operate an HF radio on 11 meters without further licensure or
exam. You may also do so under Part 15 in certain bands.

You may only operate a maritime radio that has a proper FCC station
license, and with the permission of the owner or Captain. (assuming you are on
a US-flagged vessel.)

I implied no such thing, Lennie boy. I wrote quite precisely what I
meant to convey. I couldn't care less about where you operate HF as a
non-radio amateur which, after all, is what you are.

Seems Lennie's a "non" in a LOT of things.

Amateur radio operators are NOT authorized to emit RF outside of
amateur radio bands...unless they have a valid commercial radio
operator's license.

Do you think that comes as a surprise to those of us who are radio
amateurs? Is it your feeling that we'd feel hurt by such a statement?

Why does Lennie seem to think that uttering all sorts of obscure
"revelations" about radio regulations presents him as "enlightened"...???

With the aforementioned exceptions not withstanding, Lennie is not
authorized to emit RF ANYwhere where the Stars and Stripes flies.

It really is THAT simple.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

Len may operate -amateur- radio equipment while you are the control
operator.

Like hell he will with me as the control op.

Dave K8MN

There's the amateur spirit.

Another good example of olde-tyme hamme thinking. :-)

Might be a "spirit" that comes out of a bottle...

Actually, I've already done that "operator" thing with a fully-licensed,
all-papers-open-for-inspection-for-any-A.S.S.-offizier as the "control
op." :-)

Poor Dave. He's run out of valid replies and has to use the "I've-
been-licensed-forty-one-years-and-you've-not!" ploy. As an amateur.
shrug

Tsk. I was first licensed as a "first" radio operator 48 years ago...
actually 48 1/2 years to get into his uber-nit-pickyness. :-)

Three years before that I started in operating high-power HF
transmitters without any license whatsoever, without any Signal
School training on HF transmitters, without any training whatsoever
in or about morse code. :-)

Tsk. It gets worse for Dave. I've actually operated transmitters as
a civilian without once having to show or log my "first" license. All
perfectly legal, too. No need for most Department of Defense
contractors. [DoD isn't ruled by FCC or any "Riley"]

Dave ought to take up nursie's veiled threats of "using his professional
license to call the authorities to 'pick me up.'" This time on emitting
RF without having a valid amateur radio license!

Or, he might take to veiled threats against my wife (like nursie did)
or sign his name "Dave and the Boys" at the end of a posting. :-)

Or, he could become an anonymousie lurking in the baseboards
of newsgroups, afraid of the daylight, jumping out to bite at grown-
ups. Nah. Davie das uber-oberst thinks too much of himself to do
that...

I wonder what the Canadians think about all this "show-your-papers!"
demanding? :-)

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

Len may operate -amateur- radio equipment while you are the control operator.

Like hell he will with me as the control op.

There's the amateur spirit.

Neither regulation nor etiquette mandate that I entertain a churl.

Dave K8MN

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/10/2004 11:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Nor is Lennie AUTHORIZED to emit RF within any OTHER band, except within
the limits of the STATION LICENSE of the person or entity who retains his
services, and then ONLY when acting under the auspices of that license.

So sayeth the FCC.

What sayeth Part 15?

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Len may not operate radio equipment
under Part 97 of the FCC regs.

Len may operate -amateur- radio equipment while you are the control operator.

Like hell he will with me as the control op.

There's the amateur spirit.

Neither regulation nor etiquette mandate that I entertain a churl.

Dave K8MN

Just think of it; you might be able to turn Len from the Dark Side.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators.

A valid point.

However, Len does not
agree that amateur radio plays
any significant role in emergency
communications.

Must Len agree with everything?

Awwww, cut it out, "William"! My sides hurt from laughing.

Dave K8MN


Maybe it's bad branch water affecting your kidneys.