Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 9/18/2004 9:01 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what
he is now...bitter and angry.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

I can reccomend a good opthamologist, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

Now EPA to PAC on 40 may not be DX to some, but back then it was the first
Hawaiian I'd ever heard on that band. He was way down in the noise and all I
had was the Type 6's 100 watts and the dipole. He was working 6's and 7's, and
my calls went unanswered. I tried moving up a little and down a little - no
soap. But he was soon working 8's and 9's, so maybe there was a chance.

I really enjoyed my first PAC, I know what you mean.

My first was Easter Island from Omaha area. SB-101 and dipole. They
were working west coast. I listened and called for over an hour when
they came back to me.

I enjoyed those, Jim. Note that some of our best memories have a certain
amount of frustration built into them.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yep

(William) wrote in message . com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away from
that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.

I have lots more...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his antenna.
There's no reason to stay off of 160.

No Burke, wrong again as usual. I very recently stated that it worked
just ducky 3-15 Mhz didn't I Putzlet? I did not claim it worked on 1.8
Mhz.

Any number of times, mostly for your benefit, I've stated that the
thing was a 135 foot OAL end fed wire without a radial system. Which
is to say that the only way it could work even half decenly would be
if it's feedpoint impedance was some high R+jX value which would
minimize it's ground losses given it's lack of a decent radial system.
I had kids in the yard, I couldn't do radials. So no, I didn't even
try it on 160, I knew better, on 160 it would have been a dummy load
because it would have been only a quarter wave long. Not that I would
expect you to understand why one does not feed the end of a
quarter-wave wire when there are kids in the yard...But on 80 and 40
it cooked because it was hot-fed. R+jX = some nice big vector sum you
see.

No, of course you don't see it, silly me.

Now Burke, once more what's the story on the sked to show off the
end-fed wire you supposedly have eh? Or is it in the same category as
your T5 operation?

Date/time/freq pse?

w3rv

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...





bb

That was really astute Burke, good shot.

Actually, I thought it was one of his more rational posts.

Absolutely, he ought to continue in this mode.

By the way, you're a lot closer to him than I am, how often have you
heard him on the air with his end-fed wire antenna?


Dave K8MN

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...





bb

That was really astute Burke, good shot.

Actually, I thought it was one of his more rational posts.

Absolutely, he ought to continue in this mode.

By the way, you're a lot closer to him than I am, how often have you
heard him on the air with his end-fed wire antenna?

I'm a little over two hours away by car. I've never heard him but then
again, he may stick to the higher bands and be running low power.

Dave K8MN

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

Time/date/freq pse?

You forgot "mode?"

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

73 de Jim, N2EY

Please do.

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
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That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other
than
what he is now...bitter and angry.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense
of being in harmony with the world, tho'!

Len wants to change amateur radio's regs. Len isn't a ham but has
proclaimed a decades long interest in amateur radio. Len has posted
here for years yet he hasn't done anything about actually obtaining an
amateur license. Len says he doesn't want an amateur license.

All true. Now - has Len ever said he wanted to make amateur radio better?

He takes swipes at the ARRL, hams who would like to see morse continue,
hams who use morse and hams who prefer morse to other modes. He
ridicules the traditions of amateur radio. He belittles the activities
of hams who participate in emergency communications and traffic
handling.

Think about why someone would behave like that.

I think he wants that ham ticket but I think he'd rather die than (I
love this now famous line) "jump through hoops" to obtain one. If that
is his wish, I'm sure he'll have it his way.

I don't think Len wants a ham license at all.

Yeah, I think Leonard's world is empty. He doesn't achieve the respect
here which he feels is his due as a former PROFESSIONAL.

Perhaps.

Or maybe he gets a form of pleasure from behaving the way he does here.

Haven't you known people who got great pleasure ruining others' fun? People who
could take *any* activity and tell you it was bad for you, ruined the
environment/economy/society etc., and was a waste of time?

You've probably been blessed, as I have, to know people of all ages who are
full of life, enthusiasm and joy. These people give off positive energy -
they're just plain fun to be around, even when there's hard work to be done.

Then there are folks who are just the opposite. They're full of criticism,
anger, nastiness and tearing-down of others. Sometimes they try to mask it with
"humor", but the mask doesn't always work. They give off negative energy.

Which would you rather be around?

Think of this: Suppose we all were in the same area, and wanted to do a Field
Day effort. Who would you rather have as leader, given only these choices:
Mike, Steve, Brian or Len?

---

I recall a series on "This Old House" some years back where the project
involved building a new timber-frame structure. The actual timer framing was
done by a team of workers led by a master timber framer. Most of the workers
were amateurs who had *paid* to be there, learning something about the art and
being part of the experience.

Now in case you didn't know, timber framing is a very old craft. Modern timber
framing is a mixture of very old and very new techniques. For example, the
plans are CADD generated and the timbers come from a modern sawmill. But the
finish cuts are all done by hand, with very sharp chisels that are in the
personal care of each worker. Modern comealongs and slings are used, but the
real work of timber frame erection is done by manual labor.

The team of timber framers worked for a week to cut all the joints and assemble
all the bents. On Raising Day, everyone involved in the project worked from
dawn-till-done, and the whole frame was raised before the sun went down. And a
small evergreen tree was lashed to the top of the last bent, a tradition that
is still honored by ironworkers raising skyscrapers.

The point of this long story is that the master framer led his team with pure
positive energy. Everyone involved wanted to be there, amateur and professional
alike, and it wasn't just a job but an experience.

Now of course somebody will point out that modern methods could cut the timber
frames in a fraction of the time, and the whole thing put up by a small crew
with a crane. But it wouldn't be the same, would it?

For all his toil in presenting his long, increasingly eccentric
material, he has won over a single ardent admirer, "William". I'm sure
he's proud.

The question is - proud of what?

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

William wrote:
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(Blackguard) writes:

You worry overmuch about Quitefine's and Blackguard's identity!

We find it interesting
the anonymity of some
[such as 'Leo'] is respected,
while that of others is not.

Double standard?

No. I'm not the least bit worried about about your identity. Makes
no real difference. However, the reaction of the PCTA, specifically
Steve/K4YZ/K4CAP, to any anonymous post that disagrees with him is a
call to arms, and usually results in a "cowardly scum" accusation.

So WHAT, Brian? Steve is Pro code test, so you decide everyone who is
pro code test is like Steve?

BINGO!

Len does the same thing. All PCTA hams bear responsibility for what any PCTA
ham does. But that rule only applies to PCTA folks.

If Steve has a problem with anonymous posters, so what?

I'm certainly not going to condemn every anonymous poster no matter if
they disagree with me or not. I won't condemn Blackguard or Quitefine or
Leo or any of them.

It ain't my fight, and you'll not be able to make it my fight. I may
occasionally have something to say if one of them makes a particularly
offensive post, but none of them have.

Which is the most offensive thing of all....;-)

You are taking two different things here, notably the fact that some of
us don't condemn anonymous posters, and furthermore, we also don't
condemn anonymous posters that may agree with us, and expecting
something that just isn't human nature. Now when the anonymous poster
disagrees with us, its more likely that a person will say something
negative about the anonymous poster, but that doesn't mean we all have to.

All true but it makes no difference.


You can post as Billybeeper all day as far as I am concerned. Leo is
civil, and I have no problem with that.

Agreed!

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:


Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:


In article ,

(Steve

Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other

than

what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.



Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense
of being in harmony with the world, tho'!

Len wants to change amateur radio's regs. Len isn't a ham but has
proclaimed a decades long interest in amateur radio. Len has posted
here for years yet he hasn't done anything about actually obtaining an
amateur license. Len says he doesn't want an amateur license.


All true. Now - has Len ever said he wanted to make amateur radio better?

Well, when you put it that way - no he hasn't.

He takes swipes at the ARRL, hams who would like to see morse continue,
hams who use morse and hams who prefer morse to other modes. He
ridicules the traditions of amateur radio. He belittles the activities
of hams who participate in emergency communications and traffic
handling.


Think about why someone would behave like that.

I think he wants that ham ticket but I think he'd rather die than (I
love this now famous line) "jump through hoops" to obtain one. If that
is his wish, I'm sure he'll have it his way.


I don't think Len wants a ham license at all.

Agreed 100 percent.


Yeah, I think Leonard's world is empty. He doesn't achieve the respect
here which he feels is his due as a former PROFESSIONAL.


Perhaps.

Or maybe he gets a form of pleasure from behaving the way he does here.

Haven't you known people who got great pleasure ruining others' fun? People who
could take *any* activity and tell you it was bad for you, ruined the
environment/economy/society etc., and was a waste of time?

You've probably been blessed, as I have, to know people of all ages who are
full of life, enthusiasm and joy. These people give off positive energy -
they're just plain fun to be around, even when there's hard work to be done.

Then there are folks who are just the opposite. They're full of criticism,
anger, nastiness and tearing-down of others. Sometimes they try to mask it with
"humor", but the mask doesn't always work. They give off negative energy.



Which would you rather be around?

Think of this: Suppose we all were in the same area, and wanted to do a Field
Day effort. Who would you rather have as leader, given only these choices:
Mike, Steve, Brian or Len?


I recall a series on "This Old House" some years back where the project
involved building a new timber-frame structure. The actual timer framing was
done by a team of workers led by a master timber framer. Most of the workers
were amateurs who had *paid* to be there, learning something about the art and
being part of the experience.

Now in case you didn't know, timber framing is a very old craft. Modern timber
framing is a mixture of very old and very new techniques. For example, the
plans are CADD generated and the timbers come from a modern sawmill. But the
finish cuts are all done by hand, with very sharp chisels that are in the
personal care of each worker. Modern comealongs and slings are used, but the
real work of timber frame erection is done by manual labor.

The team of timber framers worked for a week to cut all the joints and assemble
all the bents. On Raising Day, everyone involved in the project worked from
dawn-till-done, and the whole frame was raised before the sun went down. And a
small evergreen tree was lashed to the top of the last bent, a tradition that
is still honored by ironworkers raising skyscrapers.

So *that's" what that is about! Never know where you are going to learn
something.

The point of this long story is that the master framer led his team with pure
positive energy. Everyone involved wanted to be there, amateur and professional
alike, and it wasn't just a job but an experience.

Now of course somebody will point out that modern methods could cut the timber
frames in a fraction of the time, and the whole thing put up by a small crew
with a crane. But it wouldn't be the same, would it?

It is the joy of the shared task. Not all that many people know about
it, or don't know that they *do* know it, but it is available to all. A
lot of engineers know about it, and certainly soldiers that do the
fighting know a version of it. Portions of it can be awfully difficult,
but there is the moment when you stand back, and you think "WOW, look
what WE did!" Beats beer served by Hiedi Klum... sometimes! ;^)

I enjoy the shared labor a lot. For some reason there are people that
don't like me because of that. Perhaps your above mentioned description,
fits... 8^)

For all his toil in presenting his long, increasingly eccentric
material, he has won over a single ardent admirer, "William". I'm sure
he's proud.


The question is - proud of what?

Darned if I know...

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:


In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:



Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!


Len wants to change amateur radio's regs. Len isn't a ham but has
proclaimed a decades long interest in amateur radio. Len has posted
here for years yet he hasn't done anything about actually obtaining an
amateur license. Len says he doesn't want an amateur license.

He takes swipes at the ARRL, hams who would like to see morse continue,
hams who use morse and hams who prefer morse to other modes. He
ridicules the traditions of amateur radio. He belittles the activities
of hams who participate in emergency communications and traffic
handling.

I think he keeps the Morse code debate going in here. All the PCTA's I
know in this group certainly WANT the test to continue, and they usually
have a strong opinion about what Morse means. But if it goes, they plan
on going on. Wonder what he'll do then?

And as for emergency comms, I was listening to the hurricane net while
Ivan was going through Grenada. The net control was dealing with a
person on a boat that lost it's engine, and was being tossed around. A
lot of information was being passed around, from info about how the
storm was abating, to some general help info - since the net op had some
boating in hurricane experience, to general Moral support. A whole lot
of things came together to help the people on that boat. I suspect they
might have a little better opinion of Ham radio than our antagonist. And
this is just one thing that will never get mentioned anywhere outside of
this forum, no doubt. How many other little dramas go on in emergencies
involving Ham radio?

- Mike KB3EIA -