(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Hans, it warms the heart to see someone other than Len saying those things.

I don't know why.

Because it validates what Len has said for years. That's why.

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans "Len with a
License".

I've never seen that. Not once.

And Lennie is still a liar

Pants on fiar...

and you still publically admire him

For all to see.

and condone
his conduct.

I've never witnessed Len threatening to throw bricks through windows,
slash tires, or terrorize anyone's wife.

Or threaten to "Dial" a person into custody.

Or accuse or insinuate that another was a pedophile.

Peas in the pod.

Green Giant

Steve, K4YZ

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
KØHB wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:



Why do I make mention of this?


Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.


But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.

It's our very own "Middle-east" problem.

If only he could blow himself up just once instead of every day.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Whoa there! That was Andersonesque!

But you are right. Their bar room brawl floods into every thread on
rrap. A pity that.

I think it's just awful. Something should be done about it.

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


KØHB wrote:


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Whoa there! That was Andersonesque!


Wrong. It is not "Andersonesque." It isn't "Brakobesque" or any
other "...esque."

Respectfully I disagree. It was very much like one of your posts.

Hans Brakob is just telling it like it is...in that posting...though there
is doubt of validity in a subsequent posting. .

A small clique of morse inchworms have crawled in here attempting
to be rulers.

As have a small group of Nocoder people.

They champion one way, their way...in whatever they talk about.

Respecfully I disagree. There are *very* few that fit that description

Anyone who disagrees with them are treated to personal insults,
invective, denigrations, and pejorations which go far beyond the
subject of any thread. They do not like opposition so they seek to
intimidate others. Indeed, their opinion skins are very thin and
peel away easily. Such skin cannot take transport into the world
of reality, remaining whole only if kept in their single-minded mental
world of imagination.

Wow! PCTA's eh?


- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Wrong. It is not "Andersonesque." It isn't "Brakobesque" or any
other "...esque."

Respectfully I disagree. It was very much like one of your posts.

Oh, poor thing you are!

Someone else describes a situation that thousands can see, and
you want to pretend it doesn't exist?!?!?

Tsk.


A small clique of morse inchworms have crawled in here attempting
to be rulers.

As have a small group of Nocoder people.

Tsk. A few individuals objecting to the morse myths propagated
for all these many decades?

Who is "ruling?" [answer rhetorical]

The "rulers" are those who are here on a regular basis, loudly
proclaiming the virtues and nobility of mighty morse and how they
are so "good and proper" because they use morse. Look at the
invective they hurl at the few NCTA in here.

Poor babies, those PCTA. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

They champion one way, their way...in whatever they talk about.

Respecfully I disagree. There are *very* few that fit that description

Disrespectfully, I wrote my opinion...and the "few" who fit that
description are here on a regular basis...by clear observation
that anyone can make.

Anyone who disagrees with them are treated to personal insults,
invective, denigrations, and pejorations which go far beyond the
subject of any thread. They do not like opposition so they seek to
intimidate others. Indeed, their opinion skins are very thin and
peel away easily. Such skin cannot take transport into the world
of reality, remaining whole only if kept in their single-minded mental
world of imagination.

Wow! PCTA's eh?

Absolutely.

If you feel so outraged, then, by all means, petition the FCC to change
the name of the ARS to the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

That new name would FIT very well seeing as that's what it takes to
get a U.S. amateur radio license having below-30-MHz privileges.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.

Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.

There's nothing funny about anything you post, Lennie.

You are mistruthful.

You are deceitful.

You are arrogant.

You are misguided.

He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the
very
same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.

My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

It is only your OPINION that the Code test no longer serves any
purpose.

Morse Code continues to be a necessary and viable means of
AMATEUR RADIO communication.

I emphasize AMATEUR RADIO since you seem to continue to think
that we are discussing Military, PLMRS, broadcasting or Public Service
programs.

I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories

with the historical aspect.

"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)

You're the one with the truth problems, Lennie.

The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

It's being dealt with.

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Absolutely correct. You were NOT operating in the Amateur Radio
service.

Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

A lie. Period.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not
true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.

Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...

It's dated, Lennie.

Except for some "10-4 Good Buddy" exchanges and using a
ship-to-shore radio which did not require any operator licensure, you
ahve ZERO experience in AMATUER RADIO communications or applications.

I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the

to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.

In this environment such is wasted effort.

There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.

No, Lennie, we don't shut our eyes to it.

Your stories of ADA were interesting the first time around.

It was sometime between the 85th to 90th time we heard them and
why those 1950's era "experiences" somehow qualified you to render
opinions on 21st century AMATEUR RADIO that they became dreary and
laborious.

Also, your lame attempts to glorify YOUR rear area support duties
by association with Soldiers who were KIA three years before you had
even enlisted made the rest of the tale pretty weak.

Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.

PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.

No one has to "venerate" them, Lennie.

The "disgust" is yuors...for all the 675K+ people in the United
States, children included, who can legally operate a radio station
while you can't.

Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...

Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

Leonard, Leonard, Leonard.

Please stop it.

Yours and mine little tit-for-tat only occured after you spent a
great deal of time calling me a Nazi, elitist, jack booted thug, etc.

You only perpetuate your reputation as a pathological liar when
you try to pass this off on others.

Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

YOUR problem.

We won't let you liberally lie, deceive and otherwise treat with
disdain something we know better about without retort.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That's only "the question" as it pertains to you.

The rest of us have more or less moved on.

You keep trying to make an issue of a NON-issue.

Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days. The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

There are numerous reasons.

Keeping you out of Amateur Radio being number 1 on the list.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Hans, it warms the heart to see someone other than Len saying those things.

I don't know why.

Because it validates what Len has said for years. That's why.

It doesn't "validate" anything, Brian.

It's Hans' opinion, and nothing more.

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans "Len with a
License".

I've never seen that. Not once.

Then you've not beenb paying attention, but that seems to be an
on-going problem with you.

And Lennie is still a liar

Pants on fiar...

No doubt. And no doubt the never endings there long since lost
thier ability to sense danger.

and you still publically admire him

For all to see.

Yep. Fool that you are.

and condone
his conduct.

I've never witnessed Len threatening to throw bricks through windows,
slash tires, or terrorize anyone's wife.

I've never done it either, Brian. So what's your point.

Or threaten to "Dial" a person into custody.

You'd deserve it, Brian. You certainly need the help and
observation.

Or accuse or insinuate that another was a pedophile.

Is it true? Are you? Can you prove you're not?

Peas in the pod.

Green Giant

I am sure you think so.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.

Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.

There's nothing funny about anything you post, Lennie.

You are mistruthful.

You are deceitful.

You are arrogant.

You are misguided.


"You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

72, de Hans, K0HB"

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 9/22/2004 10:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


All of your "replies" vis-a-vis anything I have posted in
ANY thread has been of this angry, stick-it-in-your-ear kinda stuff.


Actually, I think you should "stick-it-in-" a somewhat lower posterior
orfice.

And a prime example of "Do As I Say, Not Do As I Do" kind of response,
Hans.

I find it quite ironic that you chastise others for confrontational or
acidic posts, yet you seem quite happy to jump right in and do it yourself.

It goes a long way towards unravelling your credibility as evenhanded.

Sure they are. We all are at one time or another. Even you.


I've only been wrong once on rrap. That's the time I thought I was
wrong, but I wasn't.

And this time. Again.

If you're so frustrated, why spend one more day here?


I'm not frustrated, Steve, just simply entertained by your predictable
knee-jerk reactions of angst and lack of tolerance for opposing opinion.
(In other words, it's great fun to watch you spin up your rotors when
someone tweaks your nose.)

Sure you're frustrated, Hans.

You've got the same case of "I Can't Have It My Way So I'll Make Everyone
Else Miserables" that Lennie has. Feel free to disagree, but it won't change a
thing.

Feel free to exercise the option of not participating if it so
offends you. We'll miss you, but we'll manage...


Is that kinda like "My way, or the highway" or "Don't let the door...."?

Nope. Just a friendly reminder that your opinion is no more or less
valued than anyone elses, but if you don't like the way things are going, there
ARE alternatives.

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans...
(gratuitous name calling deleted)...


"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know
him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy
against him." -- Jonathan Swift

Sunuvagun!

72, de Hans, K0HB

Still one short as always, I see. I imagine its always been that way for
you.

Sunnuvagun!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/22/2004 10:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

KØHB wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.

You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.

And then there's Hans...who expresses his utter disdain for people who
pariticpate in flame wars, all the while tossing fuel on the fire from the
sidelines.

Some would call that two-faced.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.


Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.


You are 100 percent correct. The hypocrites just don't see it.



He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the

very

same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.


My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

I'd be more inclined to call it your rationale. Respectfully submitted
that you may have other motives.



If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

I observe motives, not question them. Have whatever motive you might like.



I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories


with the historical aspect.


"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)


The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

yes

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Was that one of the MFJ units? Did it work well? I've looked at them,
and thought they might be nice for traveling with. Small, and
inexpensive enough that I wouldn't have to worry about damage to it, as
I might my main transceiver.


Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)



Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not

true.

But it makes him happy to wave it.


Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...



I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the


to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.


In this environment such is wasted effort.

Not really. I am an insatiable collector of such stories. And most
people are happy to share. some seem surprised because many new Hams
don't care about hearing about past exploits of others.


There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.

I enjoy "non ARS" stories too. We have an Old timer in the local club
that had a career as an Engineer at a television station. Lots of good
stories about the stuff that went on there. He was happy to talk, and I
was happy to listen.


Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.


PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.


Well, I'm not too bad of a contester, but my CW skills frankly suck.
Mostly I hang out on PSK31, where I'm a fair typist.


Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...


Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

When I came here there was name calling. There still is name calling.
Maybe its a chicken and egg sort of thing. I don't know when it started,
or who started it. I'm not all that concerned about who started it
either. There's always time to start over.

If the participants want to.


Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

It is a broad brush you paint with.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That question might be honed to include the personalities involved.


Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days.

Agreed. Most of them are Hams.

The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

If it goes away, I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hold on a second!! what's wrong with middle aged wallabies? I think
they are kinda cute!

- Mike KB3EIA -