William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

KØHB wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:




Why do I make mention of this?


Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.


But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.

It's our very own "Middle-east" problem.


If only he could blow himself up just once instead of every day.


Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Whoa there! That was Andersonesque!

But you are right. Their bar room brawl floods into every thread on
rrap. A pity that.


I think it's just awful. Something should be done about it.

That's odd! I thought you enjoyed it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Wrong. It is not "Andersonesque." It isn't "Brakobesque" or any
other "...esque."

Respectfully I disagree. It was very much like one of your posts.


Oh, poor thing you are!

Nope, Im just rolling along, fat, dumb and happy!


Someone else describes a situation that thousands can see, and
you want to pretend it doesn't exist?!?!?

Tsk.


hmm. His post was still very much like your posts, in spite of
thousands of people seeing it, regardless of it's accuracy.



A small clique of morse inchworms have crawled in here attempting
to be rulers.

As have a small group of Nocoder people.


Tsk. A few individuals objecting to the morse myths propagated
for all these many decades?

Who is "ruling?" [answer rhetorical]

The "rulers" are those who are here on a regular basis, loudly
proclaiming the virtues and nobility of mighty morse and how they
are so "good and proper" because they use morse. Look at the
invective they hurl at the few NCTA in here.

Poor babies, those PCTA. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.


They champion one way, their way...in whatever they talk about.

Respecfully I disagree. There are *very* few that fit that description


Disrespectfully, I wrote my opinion...and the "few" who fit that
description are here on a regular basis...by clear observation
that anyone can make.

Now, we need to remain respectful if we want to play.


Anyone who disagrees with them are treated to personal insults,
invective, denigrations, and pejorations which go far beyond the
subject of any thread. They do not like opposition so they seek to
intimidate others. Indeed, their opinion skins are very thin and
peel away easily. Such skin cannot take transport into the world
of reality, remaining whole only if kept in their single-minded mental
world of imagination.

Wow! PCTA's eh?


Absolutely.

And it is a very good thing that the NCTA's and interested others are
not that way, eh?


If you feel so outraged, then, by all means, petition the FCC to change
the name of the ARS to the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.


Very little outrages me. I think that may be your game, not mine.

- mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo

writes:



Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

I couldn't agree more!


Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying
nothing against their egregious conduct?

That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve
sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more
occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions.

What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people
in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change
it to suit you.



Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.


Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone
the polluters.

Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You
aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to
perfect spin and are good at it.

hehe, political spin usually takes more than a one sentence paragraph.



Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?


Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo.


Sarcasm doesn't work well in print.

No one is "oppressing" me.

BINGO! You post as you se fit.


I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a
morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium.

And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away
in spite of your antagonism



PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident
from their public statements) by intimidation,

How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me?

personal insults,


That one is a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides.
or
whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy
and wild imaginations on their parts.

Also a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides.


I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate
how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long
after their validity has expired.

And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's
mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking
for the sheer joy of irritating someone.




If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.


Irrelevant reasons.

The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations,
absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions
below 30 MHz.

So what?


No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small
boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc.,
etc. operating below 30 MHz.

No test at all is needed


No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any
military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz.


I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment.
Could be wrong.


A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel
had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters
using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us
signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army
Signal Corps).

Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal
in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not
only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years
ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes]

No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio.


A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through-
put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band-
width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state
electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become
known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM,
then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio.

A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize
on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time
after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time
analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV
with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite
relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago
and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No
dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international
communications.

GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades
and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial
location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks
are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update
themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast
services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise
time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day
accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance.

The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild-
fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet
daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from
the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide.

Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard
means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in
three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100
million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios
to access the telephone infrastructure.

All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in
technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations)
have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation
below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required.

Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is
behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time.

No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF
access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no
testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree!



I guess history must be bad, huh?


For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio
world, it IS "bad."

"Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported
only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments
from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they
can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s.


State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS.



There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.

I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement.


That is a given. You must support your klan.

I do hope you use fitted sheets.



At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)


Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical
championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult."

hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is
doing nothing that you do not do.

Null.


PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced
and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy
skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily.

Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof.


For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.


NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars."

ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule."

Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you
keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case.


They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of
the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted
opinion. Tsk.

Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid
Netnews! 8^)

Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship.

Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is
bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there.
You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending
again, huh?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/22/2004 10:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

KØHB wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Why do I make mention of this?


Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.


The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.


But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.


And then there's Hans...who expresses his utter disdain for people who
pariticpate in flame wars, all the while tossing fuel on the fire from the
sidelines.

Some would call that two-faced.

I at least got him to admit that I'm "unusual" as opposed to "stupid"
as ha has been wont to call me in the past.

(psst... I still think he means stupid) HaHa!

- mike KB3EIA -

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


I find it quite ironic that you chastise others for confrontational or
acidic posts, yet you seem quite happy to jump right in and do
it yourself.


BBRA*, Steve. Small-bore guys don't stand a chance here.

72, de Hans, K0HB









*Big Boy Rules Apply

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Hans, it warms the heart to see someone other than Len saying those things.

I don't know why.

Because it validates what Len has said for years. That's why.

It doesn't "validate" anything, Brian.

Yes, it does.

It's Hans' opinion, and nothing more.

And the more folks that have this opinion the greater the validation.

See how it works?

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans "Len with a
License".

I've never seen that. Not once.

Then you've not beenb paying attention, but that seems to be an
on-going problem with you.

Not at all, and yet I still have never seen it, thus no validation for
your claims.

And Lennie is still a liar

Pants on fiar...

No doubt. And no doubt the never endings there long since lost
thier ability to sense danger.

"thier"

Hi, hi!

and you still publically admire him

For all to see.

Yep. Fool that you are.

and condone
his conduct.

I've never witnessed Len threatening to throw bricks through windows,
slash tires, or terrorize anyone's wife.

I've never done it either, Brian. So what's your point.

You create little twisted scenarios where you imagine that other
people will do these evil things that you wish will happen to Len and
his loved ones. You don't know these other people with evil intent,
but you know that they are thinking evil thoughts about Len. Strange
how you can know that. Very, very strange.

Whatta work of art you are.

Or threaten to "Dial" a person into custody.

You'd deserve it, Brian.

You said that you were "dialing," and you say that I deserve it.

Why didn't anyone show up at my door?

I think you lied when you said that you were "dialing."

Did you call the authorities or did you lie about it?

You certainly need the help and
observation.

I'm good. You're not. Start "dialing." We'll see who they pick up.

Or accuse or insinuate that another was a pedophile.

Is it true? Are you? Can you prove you're not?

And you claim to have never made such an insinuation.

Liar.

Peas in the pod.

Green Giant

I am sure you think so.

So?

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 9/22/2004 10:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


All of your "replies" vis-a-vis anything I have posted in
ANY thread has been of this angry, stick-it-in-your-ear kinda stuff.


Actually, I think you should "stick-it-in-" a somewhat lower posterior
orfice.

And a prime example of "Do As I Say, Not Do As I Do" kind of response,
Hans.

I find it quite ironic that you chastise others for confrontational or
acidic posts, yet you seem quite happy to jump right in and do it yourself.

Well, well. I've finally met someone on here other than Len who
doesn't like double-standards.

PTL!

It goes a long way towards unravelling your credibility as evenhanded.

You should worry.

Sure they are. We all are at one time or another. Even you.

I've only been wrong once on rrap. That's the time I thought I was
wrong, but I wasn't.

And this time. Again.

If you're so frustrated, why spend one more day here?

I'm not frustrated, Steve, just simply entertained by your predictable
knee-jerk reactions of angst and lack of tolerance for opposing opinion.
(In other words, it's great fun to watch you spin up your rotors when
someone tweaks your nose.)

Sure you're frustrated, Hans.

Entertained.

You've got the same case of "I Can't Have It My Way So I'll Make Everyone
Else Miserables" that Lennie has. Feel free to disagree, but it won't change a
thing.

Steve, keep posting. Your opinions and the way you state them are
absolutely changing amateur radio. You are the "CB hordes that would
ruin radio" that everyone feared.

Feel free to exercise the option of not participating if it so
offends you. We'll miss you, but we'll manage...

Is that kinda like "My way, or the highway" or "Don't let the door...."?

Nope.

Yup.

Just a friendly reminder

Hi, hi!!! Such friendliness! Watch out for flying bricks.

that your opinion is no more or less
valued than anyone elses,

Well, apparently not.

but if you don't like the way things are going, there
ARE alternatives.

Shatter-proof windows and off-street parking?

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans...
(gratuitous name calling deleted)...

"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know
him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy
against him." -- Jonathan Swift

Sunuvagun!

72, de Hans, K0HB

Still one short as always, I see. I imagine its always been that way for
you.

Sunnuvagun!

Steve, K4YZ

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

KØHB wrote:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:




Why do I make mention of this?


Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.


But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.

It's our very own "Middle-east" problem.


If only he could blow himself up just once instead of every day.


Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Whoa there! That was Andersonesque!

But you are right. Their bar room brawl floods into every thread on
rrap. A pity that.


I think it's just awful. Something should be done about it.

That's odd! I thought you enjoyed it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

So much for trying to play along.

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying
nothing against their egregious conduct?

That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve
sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more
occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions.

Right...there's two sets of fingers wagging "no-no, naughty boy."

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people

in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change
it to suit you.

In other words, you condone what a licensed ham is doing.

No sweat, the picture is perfectly clear.


Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo.

Sarcasm doesn't work well in print.

Actually it does. The time isolation gives you plenty of thinking
about a reply that says "sarcasm doesn't affect you." :-)

No one is "oppressing" me.

BINGO! You post as you se fit.

No "bingo." That's just the way it is.

I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a
morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium.

And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away
in spite of your antagonism

Tsk, tsk, tsk! :-)

That was patently transparent, Coslo. :-)


PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident
from their public statements) by intimidation,

How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me?

They've already gotten under your skin... :-)


I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate
how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long
after their validity has expired.

And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's
mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking
for the sheer joy of irritating someone.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Coslo nose got tweaked, did it? :-)


The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations,
absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions
below 30 MHz.

So what?

The NCTA want that code test to discontinue. That should be
obvious.... :-)

No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small
boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc.,
etc. operating below 30 MHz.

No test at all is needed

Tell that to the FCC.

No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any
military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz.

I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment.
Could be wrong.

You are, but I will not do any nose-tweaking lest the inflammation
spread... :-)

A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel
had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters
using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us
signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army
Signal Corps).

Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal
in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not
only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years
ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes]

No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio.

No test was ever required for CB.


A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through-
put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band-
width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state
electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become
known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM,
then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio.

A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize
on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time
after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time
analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV
with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite
relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago
and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No
dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international
communications.

GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades
and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial
location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks
are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update
themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast
services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise
time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day
accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance.

The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild-
fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet
daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from
the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide.

Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard
means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in
three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100
million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios
to access the telephone infrastructure.

All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in
technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations)
have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation
below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required.

Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is
behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time.

No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF
access, your argument is only half formed.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not good manners to carry that to extremes. :-)

What I am saying is that the morse code test should be eliminated.

That's all.

Trying to reduce the argument to extremes ("reducto ad absurdum")
of the absurd is NOT a reply.


State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS.

?



Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical
championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult."

hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He
is doing nothing that you do not do.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Why do you keep inserting mentions of that person?


PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced
and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy
skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily.

Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the
proof.

The evidence is all archived in Google. :-)


Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you
keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nose got tweaked THAT hard, did it?


Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is
bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there.

You are NOT acting like a Pollyanna. :-)

If you were "looking for the good," your tone would have been different.

As it is, you put all the PCTA extras in the "right" and all the others
in the "wrong." Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending
again, huh?

What am I "supposed" to "turn around?"

What is IS. Try to live with that...it is all around you.

You are not entirely condescending in that reply. In parts you showed
arrogance in the "we PCTA are right and all you others are wrong"
attitude. Tsk.

No one is required to captitulate to some nebulous myth/ideals that
are all artificial. Try not to enforce such attitudes on others.

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Now, we need to remain respectful if we want to play.

This isn't "playing." Considering change to government regulations
is really serious business.

The mighty macho morsemen have NOT earned as much "respect"
as they claim they are owed.


And it is a very good thing that the NCTA's and interested others are
not that way, eh?

Actually, we NCTAs were NOT that way.

Eventually, when enough **** is thrown at you for no good reason,
one is going to throw it right back.

PCTAs have been tossing **** about mighty morse for decades,
rationalizing its test existance by very old myths. Some of them
have convinced themselves that they are just so wonderful that
their word is that of radio gods.

After a while that gets very tiring. Try about four decades of it
and you will get a mental picture for yourself.

It gets worse when someone, anyone, tries to argue rationally
with those PCTA gods of radio. They are above argument but they
are not beneath tossing more and more **** on the persons who
are trying to argue rationally.

If you feel so outraged, then, by all means, petition the FCC to change
the name of the ARS to the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Very little outrages me. I think that may be your game, not mine.

I sense you have some rage there someplace. You've been slightly
brainwashed by league propaganda and want to follow the party line.
Then you discover that there's lots of folks who aren't so brainwashed
and you don't like it (for whatever reason).

Don't go into too much rationalized denial there. It's a common thing
among relatively new hams.