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October 4th 04, 11:11 AM
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (Brian Kelly) Date: 10/4/2004 2:29 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Mechanical Man) writes: Right on the money. As if Sweetums ever sank dime one of his own wad one into any "station he operated". WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR! PLMRS VHF two-way, base and mobiles, as part of a partnership... which required a helluva lot more than a "dime." :-) Oh gawd, OK, I surrender, so you sank some coin into the world of blue dot & green dot radios. Didja get their WTAS (Worked Taxicabs in all States) award? What's the URL for this "partnership"? Yeah...ya gotta admire a guy who can "build" a radio system just by throwning more money at it...Really impresses the bee-jeebers out of me! Fact is that he wouldn't have done any of it if us taxpayers hadn't paid him to do it . . . Hell, we even paid him to trudge thru the University of Monmouth Vo-Tech Division. What do you mean "we paid," Kellie? Were you a "taxpayer" in 1952? How much did you actually pay ME? :-) Well, isn't that so terrible...a citizen volunteers for military duty and serves honorably, then some arrogant elitist comes along and calls all such for "drudges." His noble, elite, royal self was TOO GOOD for any such menial task such as defending this country. God forbid any HARM that might come to blessed royalty such as his noble self from actually SERVING his country! It was at the Fort Monmouth, NJ, Signal School, not a "university." As a member of the United States Army. Feel free to continue looking down your noble, royal nose at veterans who volunteered. No problem. You won't change, not even if you get all the peasants to eat cake instead of hard-to-get bread. Madame la Guillotine will have the cure. Getting yourself a bit wrapped up in that "patriotic bunting" that you seem to express disdain in others, aren't you, Lennie? As long as YOU are the one being wrapped, I guess it's OK, huh...??? Meanwhile, go ahead, continue to damn the peasantry. Isn't it awful that the "peasantry" have freedom of speech? Tsk. Sponge. Bleh! Ooooooo...the ELITE speak against the "drudges!" Nah, none of it has anything to do with anybody's military service or lack thereof Sweetums. I simply needed to find out how hard I had to yank yer chain in this topic area before you came unglued again. I expected to have to put up with another round or two but nope, here it is. You usta be a helluva lot quicker Sweetums. Getting OLD is a pain the ass isn't it? It doesn't have to be, Brian...A great many of my patients are folks well into thier 80's, and they are active, happy and fulfilled people. Of course that's there Lennie loses touch...He won't DO anything to get himself out of his rut, and then blames everyone else EXCEPT himself for his lack of fulfillment. You do your things, I add my things and we get the job done. But Sweetums can do it ALL . . . of course his history proves otherwise. Tsk. "My history" disproves Kellie's ASSumptions. Wanna take it back to the conditions under which you departed NAS Johnsville? Din think so. I have noticed that Lennie hasn't been so bold as to repost his whole CV here again since I was able to approach folks who were actaully AT one of them and do a bit of investigating of my own. Of course I think Lennie LIKES getting his tail under the rockers...He so often posts stuff that is so easily disproven with readily available facts that one wonders what he could have been thinking other than to induce a self-humiliating scenario. But...he is of the nobility, the elite, and doesn't recognize "drudges" who worked for a salary. :-) Lemmee know when you get yer home installation of Microstation to spit out the plane and torsional moments of inertia of a tower section. ...and don't forget to inform everyone that MECHANICAL elements of antennas are MUCH MORE important than any menial electrical "drudge" characteristics. | snore | Why don't you two sweetums move this to private e-mail? Or are you bound and determined to turn this public-access newsgroup into a cozy little private chat room suitable only for PCTA extras? What's a' matter Sweetie, you can't stand it when the adults around here talk over yer head? One of your peers, my seven-year-old #2 grandson has the same problem. Lennie loves sending stuff via private e mail. Of course he doesn't send what he promises...but he does love doing it! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#103
October 4th 04, 06:49 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (N2EY) writes: (Avery Fineman)(so desperate to get past spam filters that he changes screen names)wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: So...was all this "phase noise" invisible way back in the 1990 time? It didn't exist? That you didn't read the published material does not mean that the material did not exist. The synthesizer phase noise issue was debated well before 1990. It only came up when a frequency synthesizer was incorporated? :-) Synthesizers were in wide use prior to 1990. The phase noise issue became important as synthesizer circuits became common in transceivers. I'll invite to read up on the subject. I've provided several urls. There are numerous other sources of information on the subject. Why not avail yourself of some of them? R70s were made 1982-84 (approximately), so the design is at least 23 years old (1981). You frequenctly denigrate others as "behind the times", yet the R70 is the newest/most modern piece of HF radio equipment you mention owning. Just another example of "do as Len says, not as Len does". That little Icom R-70 still works fine, as advertised. While I doubt that the receiver functions as advertised, I have no trouble believing that it works as designed. I've got one. You don't. :-) I'm sure it is quite a nice piece of equipment for the casual SWL. I'm happy for you. The only thing I "recycled" was some paper to get one in working order. :-) I recall you mentioning that. "Cash" wasn't it? Use of a credit card would have muddied the waters. "Phase noise" wasn't a big buzzword then. It has a three-loop PLL in it plus a microcontroller. Sensitivity is still good and comparable with any contemporary HF receiver. "Phase noise" wasn't a big buzz word in the Icom engineering and sales bunch. Elsewhere, the use of the term was already common. I've yet to get close to the concept of sitting around a shack making as many contacts as possible in a given time as any "sport." Skill and endurance are certainly big factors in winning any amateur radio contest. Neither is that activity "pioneering the ariwaves" nor any sort of "training for emergencies" to reasonable-thinking human beans. Did you ask any? No claims for contests as pioneering the "ariwaves" have been made. Any on-air activity which requires speedy, accurate operation is good training for emergency situations. Like chess or checkers or board games, radio contesting is a GAME. There are some similarities. A good strategy, playing within the rules and some luck are involved. No board games that I'm aware of require putting up big antennas at height, putting together a radio station or planning sleep breaks. It is FAR from an ATHLETIC sport. Not if done correctly. You *do* sound just like him, Len. Lots of words and lots of put-downs and lots of theory. But in terms of actual radios built on your own time, with your own resources, from your own design....nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nothing. Not that anyone here knows about in all your years and petabytes of posting. If I had extra copies, I could, with a year or so off to do it, digitize those things and put them on a website that allowed at least 100 MB user space. That includes corporate documents (public) along with photographs. Not worth it, since the typical PCTA extra "commentary" (to use a word very loosely) would be totally derogatory. My little text and photo memorabilia on the ADA assignment takes 6 MB in PDF. I thought you had no need of rank, title or status. YOU have REJECTED simple things like a digitized license repro in the past. You would be expected to reject anything I present...as "credentials" or whatever real proof there is...and there is a lot of it. Rank, title and status? Tsk. I lost interest in DXing in "radio sports" and the wallpaper collection of QSLs after working at station ADA long ago. To each his own. Why do you denigrate what others find as fun? What is wrong with live and let live? A federal REGULATION requiring morse code testing in order to get an AMATEUR license to operate on HF is NOT "live and let live." Sure it is, Leonard. You have the same opportunity to take and pass such an exam as I did. The REGULATION doesn't single you out. I don't know why the term "AMATEUR license" bothers you. That's what the exam is for--an "AMATEUR license" to operate an AMATEUR radio station on HF. Be that as it may, you didn't bother to answer the question about you denigrating what some radio amateurs do for fun. Why would it bother you that someone participates in a contest? I mean, it isn't as if you are actually involved in amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
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#104
October 4th 04, 07:18 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: (Brian Kelly) wrote in message .com... PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Where was all that talk about "phase noise" over a decade ago? Hint: Cellular telephony had not the impact on electronics design a decade and a half ago. "Phase noise" wasn't talked about much back then. Some MUST have their buzzwords to sound "grown-up" in hum raddio... :-) Hint: It must appear that way to a fellow who spent his time reading only about cellular telephony. The term "phase noise" was commonly discussed "back then" as regards synthesized HF transceivers. Many of we grownups where discussing it two decades back. There were contests a decade ago and farther back. Those that don't have much to communicate can always have "contests" to prove they are "somebody" through point scores. :-) That you see no value in competitive endeavers doesn't really effect those of us who do. How are you effected by amateur radio contests? Especially good point scores through the efforts of "reducing phase noise." :-) I guess it is the little smiley which really makes you sound like a person uninformed on the issue. How is it possible for you to have been a PROFESSIONAL in radio, a PROFESSIONAL in the design of synthesizer circuits and to have been unaware of the problem of phase noise with such circuits? All that's needed is for him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio station. Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to discuss anything in here? You've discussed. You just have no experience in amateur radio, no stake in amateur radio and no credibility in amateur radio. You needn't have an amateur radio license at all. Does that clear things up for you? More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of any kind. Great. It looks like you've got your wish. My Cincinnati home was somewhat motivated by a desire for a good radio location. My present home was selected in large part by a desire for a great radio location with few neighbors. In addition, I have dark skies, a view to die for and quiet which city and suburban dwellers don't even notice they don't have. Residences are HOMES, a place of living. Residences mean many things to many owners. My living here includes amateur radio, guitars, computers, astronomy, reading, writing, photography, videography. I have neighbors who do none of those things. Their residences are for what they enjoy doing in their manner of living. I've lived ON a huge radio station long ago, one much bigger than is possible in any residential area. Not my idea of living for the rest of my life...but important back then. If you want to live ON or IN a radio station, feel free to apply for a broadcasting license and make sure the local ordinances allow living on business premises. I currently live in the midst of a goodly sized radio station. I didn't need to apply for a broadcasting license. I have no business on the site and it wouldn't matter anyway. This county has very few restrictions or zoning laws. For a small part of my life the radio station complex was built ON an old airfield. Not even the old Press Wireless station in Palos Verdes, CA, (the one bought by a ham) was that large. ....but one man, Don Wallace W6AM bought that 25 acre Press Wireless site, complete with rhombics and the large building which formerly housed the station. He used it primarily for DXing and contests. End result is "can't fix it because the parts cannot be had". It is probably easier to restore a 40 year old R-390A or 75S3 than a 20 year old R-70, if certain parts are needed. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! Riiiiight. Try to find a replacement for an R-390 power transformer... or anything inside that PTO...even in 1980... :-) There are, in fact, numerous sources for such parts. Last vacuum tube receiver I DESIGNED and built was in 1964-1965. HF. Wasn't for listening to on-off keyed radiotelegraphy! [horrors!] Terrible thing! NOT A LICENSED AMATEUR DESIGNING AND BUILDING AN HF RADIO! Call out the radio police! No license was or is required to build a receiver. In fact, no license was or is required to build an amateur radio transmitter. You'll need one if you want to hook it to an antenna and transmit though. It didn't use any "recycled parts." A pity that you had nothing useable on hand. Dave K8MN |
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#105
October 4th 04, 07:26 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , Dave Heil writes: Tsk, tsk. I CAN "legally" operate lots of OTHER radio service radios...and radio amateur licensees can NOT do so... :-) Izzat supposed to impress us? What's keeping you from it? Have a ball. Mikey ("Mr. BPL") Powell and papa Colin both operated radios when they were in the U.S. Army. Not amateur radios. Professional soldier radios. [they are both former Army officers] Sunnuvagun! That should thrill the gang at alt.I.used.to.be.a.sojer Who do you have more respect for, Dave: Any PCTA who worships at the Church of St. Hiram. That'd be wrong. The person who talks endlessly about "state of the art", "better modes and modulations", "the future of amateur radio", "progress", etc., etc., yet who isn't on the ham bands at all? Tsk. Keep the faith, Jimmie, make that Living Museum of Archaic Radiotelegraphy continue...hold everyone back in the tube era with all those "recycled" parts. Couldn't you come up with a real response to Jim's query to me? Keep talking snarly at all those non-ham people who have actually had an entire career in radio-electronics involved in the contstantly- changing state of the electronics and radio arts...and succeeded. "Talking snarly"? I didn't note any snarly at all. You may well have succeeded in the career goals you set for yourself. Dandy. That really has nothing to do with amateur radio. You've certainly failed to act on your several decades of declared interest in amateur radio. You've not even *attempted* to obtain the most basic of licenses, much less that "Extra right out of the box". Do you see this statement of facts as "talking snarly"? Work that key and collect those points and QSLs, remake tube bases into plug-in coil forms, memorize all those schematics to be the Ninth Wonder of the Radio world to anyone visiting your shack. Force everyone to learn telegraphy to play in your ham sandbox on HF. He can do that or anything else permitted by an amateur radio license. You simply aren't involved. Dave K8MN |
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#106
October 4th 04, 10:02 PM
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(William) wrote in message . com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com... "Phil Kane" wrote in message . net... On 2 Oct 2004 07:00:32 -0700, William wrote: Folks have flunked out of first-year engineering and science classes for less than that. I don't doubt that. No one ever flunked out of weather school for that simple equation. What do they flunk out of law school for? Being a**holes and not giving proper respect to those of us who have graduated from law school. WAAAAAHOOOO! How about just respecting each other as human beings? OK: I'll follow your example - on an experimental basis. Everyone want's to be elevated above the next person, and it is so typical of the old guard in amateur radio who were raised on the inventive licensing tit. Experiment failed. |
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#107
October 4th 04, 11:04 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: (Brian Kelly) Date: 10/4/2004 2:29 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message PLMRS VHF two-way, base and mobiles, as part of a partnership... which required a helluva lot more than a "dime." :-) Oh gawd, OK, I surrender, so you sank some coin into the world of blue dot & green dot radios. Didja get their WTAS (Worked Taxicabs in all States) award? What's the URL for this "partnership"? Yeah...ya gotta admire a guy who can "build" a radio system just by throwning more money at it...Really impresses the bee-jeebers out of me! Whatever it was all about PLMRS is only a half-step above CB. Like GMRS. Feel free to continue looking down your noble, royal nose at veterans who volunteered. No problem. You won't change, not even if you get all the peasants to eat cake instead of hard-to-get bread. Madame la Guillotine will have the cure. Getting yourself a bit wrapped up in that "patriotic bunting" that you seem to express disdain in others, aren't you, Lennie? As long as YOU are the one being wrapped, I guess it's OK, huh...??? No comment, I'm just a civilian slacker . . . ggg. yank yer chain in this topic area before you came unglued again. I expected to have to put up with another round or two but nope, here it is. You usta be a helluva lot quicker Sweetums. Getting OLD is a pain the ass isn't it? It doesn't have to be, Brian...A great many of my patients are folks well into thier 80's, and they are active, happy and fulfilled people. There are jillions of 'em. There are also bunches of sour recluses life has passed by and they done it to themselves. Of course that's there Lennie loses touch...He won't DO anything to get himself out of his rut, and then blames everyone else EXCEPT himself for his lack of fulfillment. His problem. You do your things, I add my things and we get the job done. But Sweetums can do it ALL . . . of course his history proves otherwise. Tsk. "My history" disproves Kellie's ASSumptions. Wanna take it back to the conditions under which you departed NAS Johnsville? Din think so. I have noticed that Lennie hasn't been so bold as to repost his whole CV here again since I was able to approach folks who were actaully AT one of them and do a bit of investigating of my own. Heh-heh. Of course I think Lennie LIKES getting his tail under the rockers...He so often posts stuff that is so easily disproven with readily available facts that one wonders what he could have been thinking other than to induce a self-humiliating scenario. I've been convinced for years that he has some self-flagellation or masochism "issues". Nothing else makes any sense. Lennie loves sending stuff via private e mail. Of course he doesn't send what he promises...but he does love doing it! He's never blessed me with any spam but if he does though I have some real "treats" for him. 73 Steve, K4YZ w3rv |
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#108
October 5th 04, 01:09 AM
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: Dave Heil Date: 10/4/2004 12:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: Keep talking snarly at all those non-ham people who have actually had an entire career in radio-electronics involved in the contstantly- changing state of the electronics and radio arts...and succeeded. "Talking snarly"? I didn't note any snarly at all. You may well have succeeded in the career goals you set for yourself. Dandy. That really has nothing to do with amateur radio. Lennie's "success" in "professional radio" was getting by on the works of others and not gettting sued for it. More a successful con-man than "professional in radio" 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#109
October 5th 04, 01:56 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: (Avery Fineman)(so desperate to get past spam filters that he changes screen names)wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: So...was all this "phase noise" invisible way back in the 1990 time? It didn't exist? That you didn't read the published material does not mean that the material did not exist. The synthesizer phase noise issue was debated well before 1990. It is referred to in QST product reviews of ~20 years ago. It only came up when a frequency synthesizer was incorporated? :-) Synthesizers were in wide use prior to 1990. The phase noise issue became important as synthesizer circuits became common in transceivers. I'll invite to read up on the subject. I've provided several urls. There are numerous other sources of information on the subject. Why not avail yourself of some of them? Compare the transmitted noise spectra of an SG2020, Elecraft K2, and K1. Guess where that noise comes from? R70s were made 1982-84 (approximately), so the design is at least 23 years old (1981). You frequenctly denigrate others as "behind the times", yet the R70 is the newest/most modern piece of HF radio equipment you mention owning. Just another example of "do as Len says, not as Len does". That little Icom R-70 still works fine, as advertised. While I doubt that the receiver functions as advertised, I have no trouble believing that it works as designed. Ya missed the point. Other designs are criticized because of age - but not the R-70. Guess why. I've got one. You don't. :-) Don't want one. If somebody gave me one, I'd sell it. I'm sure it is quite a nice piece of equipment for the casual SWL. I'm happy for you. The only thing I "recycled" was some paper to get one in working order. :-) I recall you mentioning that. "Cash" wasn't it? Use of a credit card would have muddied the waters. I paid cash for all the parts in the Type 7.... "Phase noise" wasn't a big buzzword then. It has a three-loop PLL in it plus a microcontroller. Sensitivity is still good and comparable with any contemporary HF receiver. "Phase noise" wasn't a big buzz word in the Icom engineering and sales bunch. Elsewhere, the use of the term was already common. Like amongst hams. I've yet to get close to the concept of sitting around a shack making as many contacts as possible in a given time as any "sport." It's called "competition". Skill and endurance are certainly big factors in winning any amateur radio contest. Neither is that activity "pioneering the ariwaves" nor any sort of "training for emergencies" to reasonable-thinking human beans. Did you ask any? No claims for contests as pioneering the "ariwaves" have been made. Any on-air activity which requires speedy, accurate operation is good training for emergency situations. Contest operation also points up the weak points in any radio station. The contest and DX folks have pushed the need for better rigs for decades. Like chess or checkers or board games, radio contesting is a GAME. So are all sports. Like the Olympic GAMES... There are some similarities. A good strategy, playing within the rules and some luck are involved. No board games that I'm aware of require putting up big antennas at height, putting together a radio station or planning sleep breaks. Think car racing. Bicycle racing (Lance Armstrong wasn't riding a three-speed with baloon tires) It is FAR from an ATHLETIC sport. Not if done correctly. Let's see....I run as exercise and also a sport. Done two marathons and more half-marathons, ten-milers, 10Ks and 5 milers than I can recall. Mike Coslo is a hockey player. What sports do others participate in? Not as spectators! You *do* sound just like him, Len. Lots of words and lots of put-downs and lots of theory. But in terms of actual radios built on your own time, with your own resources, from your own design....nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nothing. Not that anyone here knows about in all your years and petabytes of posting. If I had extra copies, I could, with a year or so off to do it, digitize those things and put them on a website that allowed at least 100 MB user space. That includes corporate documents (public) along with photographs. The challenge is for *homebrew* radio projects. Not stuff done for work. Not worth it, since the typical PCTA extra "commentary" (to use a word very loosely) would be totally derogatory. You mean you fear reaping what you sow? My little text and photo memorabilia on the ADA assignment takes 6 MB in PDF. Did you design and build ADA on your own time, with your own resources? I thought you had no need of rank, title or status. YOU have REJECTED simple things like a digitized license repro in the past. I didn't ask for it. I had already said I'd take your word that you had one. But you sent me*several* unsolicited emails with unknown attachments of large size. (Ever hear of compressing a file before sending?). How was I to know what they were? I found out later that one attachement was a picture that contained male nudity. Not my cup of tea, so to speak. You would be expected to reject anything I present...as "credentials" or whatever real proof there is...and there is a lot of it. It's real simple, Len: Pick an HF radio project that you did in your home workshop as a "hobby" activity. Not something for work, or something you did as part of a group, but something you dreamed up and built yourself, just for the fun of it. Not some accessory, either - a complete receiver, transmitter or transceiver. Put a picture and a short description on your AOL homepage, just like I did. We don't need megabytes or a long diatribe. Just a .jpg and a short description. My project is out there for all to see. Where's yours? Or are you too afraid of what others will say? -- Rank, title and status? Tsk. I lost interest in DXing in "radio sports" and the wallpaper collection of QSLs after working at station ADA long ago. To each his own. Why do you denigrate what others find as fun? What is wrong with live and let live? A federal REGULATION requiring morse code testing in order to get an AMATEUR license to operate on HF is NOT "live and let live." Yes, it is. Sure it is, Leonard. You have the same opportunity to take and pass such an exam as I did. The REGULATION doesn't single you out. I don't know why the term "AMATEUR license" bothers you. That's what the exam is for--an "AMATEUR license" to operate an AMATEUR radio station on HF. Be that as it may, you didn't bother to answer the question about you denigrating what some radio amateurs do for fun. Why would it bother you that someone participates in a contest? I mean, it isn't as if you are actually involved in amateur radio. Exactly. And guess what: If the code test goes away, contesting in amateur radio will continue. Some contesters are actually *for* doing away with the code test on the grounds that it will allegedly get more hams on HF, thereby raising their scores by having more folks to work and making some sections/countries/zones less rare. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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