Tsk. Nice troll cast, but inaccurate.

Now YOU tell us what the Titanic's sinking of 92 years ago has to
do with amateur radio policy of today?

The Titanic was cited as an example that sometimes "Professionals"
screw up. In connection to that TV/DVD/VCR that QRMed the
emergency frequencies. That "professionals" designed that.

On 26 Oct 2004 04:54:56 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

snip

Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to
specifications (which are quite good).

It does indeed. And my BC-221 is still intact. (my BC-221-AA
actually, made by Philco in 1942, with a big WWII-vintage Royal
Canadian Signal Corps decal on its side - pretty neat!).

As it should be.

snip



73, Leo

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody,

and is told more often than anybody that he is OT.

...by those who are so "OT" they are older than dirt. :-)

Hey, gang, let's all make the Titanic disaster of 1912 the
principle topic of this newsgroup!!!

Hey, gang, let's all play like civil engineers and architects
to indict the designers of the WTC!!!

Hey, gang, let's all be Pilots In Command and talk all about
flying!!!

Hey, gang, let's all make sure Jimmie Who gets all that praise
and respect for vacuum tube kluges which are State of the Art!!!

All of which is vastly important to the few regulars in here who
can't figure out how to start their own private Internet chat room
so that they can all call the NCTAs nasty names behind their
backs and be King of the Ham Hill!

bwahahahahah small snicker in place of "hi hi"

You forgot one, Leonard: Why not hang out in an amateur radio newsgroup
and pretend to be one of the crowd!

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Really, there isn't a need for any of us to be sensitive about this
stuff. It is after all, USENET.

TSK. NO. VERY SERIOUS! Might be better than World Serious!

This newsgroup is all about certain PCTAs needing a private chat
room to damn the NCTAs to eternal hell for not loving morse.

Remind us again of your connection to the world of amateur radio.



Dave

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


I do have a question. I had called you Lennie once, and I think you
didn't particularly care for that. I've been calling you Lenover21, but
that sounds kind of formal if a screen name can be called formal.

What do you see on my "signature" line?

Tsk. If you can't understand my preferences, then that trip to an
opthalmologist for you is necessary. [remember, watch out for
presbyopia...]

If you pick up an IEEE Membership Directory, you wil see my legal
name in there. Been in there since 1973. That's the formal version.

Or you can call me any name, nasty or otherwise, that you care to
use. Even enclose it in quote marks as "Dave" does it. Just don't
call me late for dinner.

Are you really the person posting as "William"? I don't recall using
"Len", "Leonard" or "Foghorn Lenhorn" when addressing you. I typically
refer to you as Len or Leonard until you start using the cutesy names.
That's when you become Foghorn.



Okay,

Per N2EY's query, why do you find it difficult to use another's given
name?

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest when
others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says not
as Len does mentality.

Tsk.

I say enjoy the hobby.

I don't recall needing your approval to do so.

I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary
needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some
olde-tymers had to do it.

I don't see any testing which is archaic or imaginary. I don't see any
testing done because old timers had to do it.

I say enjoy freedom.

Freedom doesn't mean reduced regulation or no regulation.

I say try to keep
up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely
to what the ARRL publishes.

It surely isn't. I know the League has never made such a statement.
How are you coming along with brushing up on phase noise?


Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone
who
disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always has
to
make up an insulting nickname for them.

Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry.

So a call for you to actually use the names of people you address or to
whom you refer is "highbrow"? Thanks for the illustration of a point.


Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at low
altitude.

Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of
the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day
with him at the yoke.

Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best
quality, but scary enough.

Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52?

Who cares?

Apparently you did. After all, you asked.

Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity,
wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason.

Are you gonna bring back your classic "sphincter post", Leonard?


Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20
years
old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it.

"Lecture?" :-)

Yes, painfully windy, pontificating lectures.

Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to
specifications...

....but the R-70 certainly can't be considered "state of the art".

(which are quite good).

They aren't good today, Len. They weren't as good as much other gear
made in the same period.

Dave K8MN

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody,

and is told more often than anybody that he is OT.

...by those who are so "OT" they are older than dirt. :-)

Hey, gang, let's all make the Titanic disaster of 1912 the
principle topic of this newsgroup!!!

Hey, gang, let's all play like civil engineers and architects
to indict the designers of the WTC!!!

Hey, gang, let's all be Pilots In Command and talk all about
flying!!!

Hey, gang, let's all make sure Jimmie Who gets all that praise
and respect for vacuum tube kluges which are State of the Art!!!

All of which is vastly important to the few regulars in here who
can't figure out how to start their own private Internet chat room
so that they can all call the NCTAs nasty names behind their
backs and be King of the Ham Hill!

bwahahahahah small snicker in place of "hi hi"



The Gang of Four have spoken. You must extinguish your RRAP torch.
Steve will now blow the Conch Shell. Sayonara Baby. Hi, hi!

Or tell them to get bent. large snicker turning to a guffaw

robert casey wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:




Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52
at low
altitude.



Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so
many of the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die
some day with him at the yoke.

I saw a picture of an Air Force plane that was about to
fly right into the ground at their airport. Seems the
pilots were doing some silly frat boy stunt (mooning the
guys in the control tower) and lost control. It was a
plane similar if not in fact a B52. This happened years
ago.

Even smart people can do really stupid things!



Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection?



If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art.


Once a model of a PC hits the stores, it's already
obsolete.

Yup, One of these days that will have to stop.




Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over
20 years
old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it.



Random though mode on:

I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital
(excluding the necessary analog bits)

Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat.

Radios age much better than PCs.

Yep, I can't envision myself ever wanting to use or to buy sa a TRS-80,
which is the first PC I ever used, but I could envision using and buying
lots of old radios.

And it's not even nostalgia, since I wasn't around when those radios
were. They are simply cool!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:



I do have a question. I had called you Lennie once, and I think you
didn't particularly care for that. I've been calling you Lenover21, but
that sounds kind of formal if a screen name can be called formal.

What do you see on my "signature" line?

Tsk. If you can't understand my preferences, then that trip to an
opthalmologist for you is necessary. [remember, watch out for
presbyopia...]

If you pick up an IEEE Membership Directory, you wil see my legal
name in there. Been in there since 1973. That's the formal version.

Or you can call me any name, nasty or otherwise, that you care to
use. Even enclose it in quote marks as "Dave" does it. Just don't
call me late for dinner.


Are you really the person posting as "William"? I don't recall using
"Len", "Leonard" or "Foghorn Lenhorn" when addressing you. I typically
refer to you as Len or Leonard until you start using the cutesy names.
That's when you become Foghorn.





Okay,

Per N2EY's query, why do you find it difficult to use another's given
name?

I want to know why asking a person what they wish to be called
garnishes a lecture! Oh well, I'm a big boy.

- Mike KB3EIA -

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were
taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow
as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to
realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred
and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination.
Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test
that with paying passangers aboard.

Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic
NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this
newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light-
years) to amateur radio policy. :-)

So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur
radio policy either.

That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly
amusing.

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest when
others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says not
as Len does mentality.

Tsk.

I say enjoy the hobby. I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary
needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some
olde-tymers had to do it. I say enjoy freedom. I say try to keep
up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely
to what the ARRL publishes.

Ca-a-arefu1!

Is that "bad mentality?" Or would you rather everyone be subject
to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges?
[that way you could get to push around others who don't agree
with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"]

Steve's opinions are facts. Others opinions are lies.

Steveism:

There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and NCTA Opinions.

Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No.

If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of
explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand
experience. I don't need "confirmation" from any "league"
organization to "document" it. :-)

Ah oh! Mistake #1. Can't say nuttin bad about the league.

When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William
troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing.

Agreed!

The denials are almost funny.

No. Tragic. The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very
good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie.

DJ (Doc Jimmie) run Yell DMC health records. Clean Bill.

Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into
a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and
preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking
and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded]

That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len.
After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up"..

I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He
claims otherwise.

It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to
repost the "feldwebel" classic...

Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title?

Awwww.

Not: MARS is like Amateur Radio.

Not: MARS has lots of Amateur Radio Volunteers.

But: "MARS IS Amateur Radio!"

Hi hi!

For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry
great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished
on the Titanic in 1912. Nope.

"Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be?

Yeah, what's with that?

Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them.

Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of
anything.

What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums.

Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was
bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of
modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse.

What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar
with? [nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't
know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism] Maybe something
choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in
that regard...:-) ]

I think the next runaway insult language will be Palistinian.

I'll just reflect that the subject
made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband

You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name?

You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names. Perhaps
you don't have the guts to do it.

Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone
who
disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always has
to
make up an insulting nickname for them.

Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry.

Who is K4CAP? Isn't that a defunct callsign?

and
employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"...
many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for
Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great
tears on-stage on that Oscar Night.

What possible significance does that have?

And is that on topic for rrap? ;^)

;-) ;-)

M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic disaster
at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup?

Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords?

Put a Trace on that Lords.

Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in
a quirky sort of way?

Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course.

Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again?

What possible significance has YOUR sexual fantasies to do with
amateur radio policy matters?

Oh, yes, you like to present them to show your "manliness?"

Weird.

It's all merely a frustration with "thier" station in life.

Boeing doesn't test fly
new aircraft with commercial paying passengers.

OT?

Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur
radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when
in-flight.

Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an
amateur radio policy subject.

Mebbe we should check with the CAPman on that. He's practically a
Boeing insider when he jumps into that jumpsuit.

Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test
Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-)

Very OT

So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in
the 1990s as "state of the art." :-)

But, but, but, it is immune to BPL...

Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or
thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and
their chief test pilot) on takeoff.

Yawningly OT

So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in
here.

Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through
moursemanship in that disaster scenario?

And here I thought that SAC invented the checklist. Thank goodness I
read RRAP.

Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at low
altitude.

Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of
the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day
with him at the yoke.

Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best
quality, but scary enough.

Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52?

Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it
loose.

Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity,
wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason.

But he likes to write about it.

Is this the part where he is called a non-participant? A mere
spectator?

Or was that Kelly?

Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date.

Yes, they are.

Seems like it to me!

"Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-)

Hardly.

The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my
country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just
dandy. That will secure U.S. amateur radio for morse-tested hams
and assure Jimmie someone to play with...

Gotta protect the laurels that ye rest upon.

They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code
cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating
below 30 MHz...in the ham bands.

Why does that bother you so much?

Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions...

What is the "relevant question?" :-)

Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what
be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord.

The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?"

"Greenlee punch or Nibbler?"

Such relevant questions.

It seems that some amateurs
bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think
that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in
the year 2004.

Perhaps some do.

Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic
level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license.

Why does that bother you so much, Len?

Very "progressive." State of the Art.

Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The Art"
car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes?

Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection?

If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art.

Roger that!

Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-)

It's an egnima. Ooops! Prolly later.

Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20
years
old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it.

"Lecture?" :-)

Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to
specifications (which are quite good).

Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme
(on rye?) they are just snit. :-)

I've got a ratshack dx150. Wanna trade? Hi, hi!

Random though mode on:

I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital
(excluding the necessary analog bits)

Mostly analog, really!

Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat.

Yep.

How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-)

Wow! An IC-745. Time to swap out the lithium battery.

"Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything,
everymode all has it's place."

Indeed.

Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?"

"...every Mode has it's place." Time to tune up the arc-welder and
draw a bead and a dit. Hi, hi!

I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe
I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it

Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at the
top but they still make good coil forms

Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-)

I prefer the "Hogan's Heroes" teapot radio.

Reinvent the 1920s and claim your fame as the "innovator!"

Good grief.

Next thing you know, Rev. Jimmie will tout "Ralph 124C41+" as "mainstream
science fiction!" :-)

bwahahahahahah a snicker



Whatever he tout's is da troof!