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October 27th 04, 04:33 AM
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(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: "KØHB" Date: 10/24/2004 9:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Brian Kelly" wrote A big airliner is a big airliner, they all tote/toted tons of JP4/5 then and now, doesn't matter if it's being flown by an AAL 767 piloted by a 15,000 hr. column jock or a hijacked 767 piloted by a sand roach. They all burn equally well inside hi-rise buildings. If the building comes down because it's core structure wasn't sufficiently heat-resistant then in fairness who really did screw the moose? "Over to you Hans". You're right, Brian. It wasn't the fault of the religious freedom fighters that the WTC towers are rubble. It's the fault of the designers. What the hell was I thinking! Brian, we gotta go with Hans on this! One has to assume that a professional pilot would have, realising his error, made every effort to avoid the Towers. The camel fornicators jammed on the power and aimed straight for the buildings...That's a heck of a lot more kinetic energy than a glancing blow or just clipping it with a wing (a loss of the aircraft, to be sure, but a lot less likely to have caused the Towers to fall...) There are three major airports within a few miles from lower Manhattan, Newark, JFK and Laguardia. Most aircraft accidents occur during landings and takeoffs and include both pilot error and equipment failures and sometimes both. With the balls to the wall looking for altitude. Damn! Landing and looking for altitude. Whatta concept??? The guy who hit the Empire State Building was executing extreme evasive maneuvers with a high-performance military A/C which was far more agile than any jet airliner but he hit it anyway and almost dead center at that. The Empire State Building sure move around a lot. As you well know there have been situations in which airliners have become completely uncontrollable, e.g., 737 rudder lockups. You're a pilot too, connect the dots. He ate the Dots. Right after he ate the jujubees and buttered popcorn. The issue "under discussion" here is whether one of the towers might not have come down if it's designers had used their heads when they picked a wayward 707 as the model for a A/C collision with a tower and factored in the fact that 707's carry huge amounts of JP. Which they apparently didn't do. That's *all* there is to my "agenda". But as usual around here the "technical experts" . . yadda, yadda . . . 73 Steve, K4YZ w3rv Yeh. Hmmm? Nothing like siding with the terrs. |
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#103
October 27th 04, 04:42 AM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: Mike Coslo Date: 10/26/2004 12:32 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Best guess at the moment is to call him , I guess. "Putz" takes up less bandwidth and is to-the-point! 73 Steve, K4YZ Hmmmm? Calling a fellow poster a Yiddish word for Penis? Always focussed on the male genitalia? Sure, that's your MO. "Red-Assed Monkey" suits you to a tee, but takes up too much bandwidth. I'll stick with "Steve" when referring to you. Whenever you see me post "Steve," you'll get it. Goes with your former gunjeen callsign and tight flight suit. Best of Luck. |
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#104
October 27th 04, 11:11 AM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William) Date: 10/26/2004 3:37 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/26/2004 5:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Not by me! AFAIC Lenover21 can post on anything he wishes to. Glad to hear it. The same cannot be said for Kelly, Jim, Dave, or dare I say Steve? Yes, you DARE say it, Sir Putzy Jr!. I have never chastised Sir Scumbag about being "off topic" except when HE is chastizing others for doing exactly the same thing HE does. "I HAVE NEVER..." Hi, hi! Then you always say "EXCEPT WHEN I DID." More Hi, hi's! An educated person (meaning other than yourslef) could read the sentence I wrote and understand it, Brain. My bust for assuming you MIGHT. By Golly, I guess you really DiDit! Really, there isn't a need for any of us to be sensitive about this stuff. It is after all, USENET. It's not being sensitive about being told. It's just that those doing the telling are some of the worst offenders, i.e., PCTA double standard. Oh...You mean the SAME "double standard" that YOU just exercised here? Steve, K4YZ No double standard. I did not chastise. I pointed out a fact. A fact that you don't like. Too bad. Yes, you HAVE been chastising others, myself included. I have made other apologies in this forum before, Brain. (Care to ask Cecil, among others?) So far you've not been able to delineate ANY facts, Brain. Nor have you kept pace with your own rhetoric. Steve, K4YZ |
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#105
October 27th 04, 04:26 PM
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(William) wrote in message . com...
(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: "KØHB" Date: 10/24/2004 9:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Brian Kelly" wrote A big airliner is a big airliner, they all tote/toted tons of JP4/5 then and now, doesn't matter if it's being flown by an AAL 767 piloted by a 15,000 hr. column jock or a hijacked 767 piloted by a sand roach. They all burn equally well inside hi-rise buildings. If the building comes down because it's core structure wasn't sufficiently heat-resistant then in fairness who really did screw the moose? "Over to you Hans". You're right, Brian. It wasn't the fault of the religious freedom fighters that the WTC towers are rubble. It's the fault of the designers. What the hell was I thinking! Brian, we gotta go with Hans on this! One has to assume that a professional pilot would have, realising his error, made every effort to avoid the Towers. The camel fornicators jammed on the power and aimed straight for the buildings...That's a heck of a lot more kinetic energy than a glancing blow or just clipping it with a wing (a loss of the aircraft, to be sure, but a lot less likely to have caused the Towers to fall...) There are three major airports within a few miles from lower Manhattan, Newark, JFK and Laguardia. Most aircraft accidents occur during landings and takeoffs and include both pilot error and equipment failures and sometimes both. With the balls to the wall looking for altitude. Damn! Landing and looking for altitude. Whatta concept??? The guy who hit the Empire State Building was executing extreme evasive maneuvers with a high-performance military A/C which was far more agile than any jet airliner but he hit it anyway and almost dead center at that. The Empire State Building sure move around a lot. As you well know there have been situations in which airliners have become completely uncontrollable, e.g., 737 rudder lockups. You're a pilot too, connect the dots. He ate the Dots. Right after he ate the jujubees and buttered popcorn. The issue "under discussion" here is whether one of the towers might not have come down if it's designers had used their heads when they picked a wayward 707 as the model for a A/C collision with a tower and factored in the fact that 707's carry huge amounts of JP. Which they apparently didn't do. That's *all* there is to my "agenda". But as usual around here the "technical experts" . . yadda, yadda . . . 73 Steve, K4YZ w3rv Yeh. Hmmm? Nothing like siding with the terrs. Children should be seen but not heard. Now go to your room. |
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#106
October 27th 04, 04:58 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/26/2004 3:37 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (William) Date: 10/26/2004 5:04 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Not by me! AFAIC Lenover21 can post on anything he wishes to. Glad to hear it. The same cannot be said for Kelly, Jim, Dave, or dare I say Steve? Yes, you DARE say it, Sir Putzy Jr!. I have never chastised Sir Scumbag about being "off topic" except when HE is chastizing others for doing exactly the same thing HE does. "I HAVE NEVER..." Hi, hi! Then you always say "EXCEPT WHEN I DID." More Hi, hi's! An educated person (meaning other than yourslef) could read the sentence I wrote and understand it, Brain. My bust for assuming you MIGHT. I understand it. You use "always" and "never" with abandon, except... Hi, hi! By Golly, I guess you really DiDit! Really, there isn't a need for any of us to be sensitive about this stuff. It is after all, USENET. It's not being sensitive about being told. It's just that those doing the telling are some of the worst offenders, i.e., PCTA double standard. Oh...You mean the SAME "double standard" that YOU just exercised here? Steve, K4YZ No double standard. I did not chastise. I pointed out a fact. A fact that you don't like. Too bad. Yes, you HAVE been chastising others, myself included. I have made other apologies in this forum before, Brain. (Care to ask Cecil, among others?) There's a blast from the past. Cecil departed here years ago, but you have made mountains of false accusations since Cecil's departure. So far you've not been able to delineate ANY facts, Brain. Nor have you kept pace with your own rhetoric. Steve, K4YZ No one can keep pace with your unfounded accusations. |
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#107
October 27th 04, 05:53 PM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William) Date: 10/27/2004 9:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I have made other apologies in this forum before, Brain. (Care to ask Cecil, among others?) There's a blast from the past. Cecil departed here years ago, but you have made mountains of false accusations since Cecil's departure. "Blast from the past"...?!?! Cecil's been the topic of discussion here for several weeks...Including YOUR suggestion that you might "...pull a Cecil..." And I've already shown where I got my attributions wrong with Hans' story vs the one I read in QST. An error. I admitted it and apologized fror it. Unlike you, Brian P. Burke, who is an unashamed liar. Period. So far you've not been able to delineate ANY facts, Brain. Nor have you kept pace with your own rhetoric. Steve, K4YZ No one can keep pace with your unfounded accusations. Such as...??? Steve, K4YZ |
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October 28th 04, 01:30 AM
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#109
October 28th 04, 01:30 AM
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#110
October 28th 04, 01:30 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination. Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test that with paying passangers aboard. Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light- years) to amateur radio policy. :-) So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur radio policy either. That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly amusing. Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest when others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says not as Len does mentality. Tsk. I say enjoy the hobby. I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some olde-tymers had to do it. I say enjoy freedom. I say try to keep up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely to what the ARRL publishes. Ca-a-arefu1! I like to live dangerously! :-) Is that "bad mentality?" Or would you rather everyone be subject to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges? [that way you could get to push around others who don't agree with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"] Steve's opinions are facts. Others opinions are lies. Standing Orders of the Day posted behind glass at the recon company Hq., personally signed by Genl. Chesty Puller hisself. Steveism: There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and NCTA Opinions. That's what gets written in here... :-) Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No. If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand experience. I don't need "confirmation" from any "league" organization to "document" it. :-) Ah oh! Mistake #1. Can't say nuttin bad about the league. I know, I know...we can't call it what it is...we MUST enoble it to sainthood and worship at the Church of St. Hiram. When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing. Agreed! The denials are almost funny. No. Tragic. The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie. DJ (Doc Jimmie) run Yell DMC health records. Clean Bill. Is Jimmie Who a "qualified health professional?" :-) Being a "qualified health professional" is an absolute MUST in here when anyone mentions the CAPman. Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded] That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up".. I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He claims otherwise. It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to repost the "feldwebel" classic... Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title? Awwww. Not: MARS is like Amateur Radio. Not: MARS has lots of Amateur Radio Volunteers. But: "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi hi! False religion. "True lies." :-) The connection to the UNIFORMED military is obvious to me and you but others don't quite see it. For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished on the Titanic in 1912. Nope. "Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be? Yeah, what's with that? Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them. Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of anything. What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums. Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse. What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar with? [nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism] Maybe something choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in that regard...:-) ] I think the next runaway insult language will be Palistinian. Who knows? I'm not into any form of Arabic although my former opthalmologist taught me a couple of Farsi words (he was born in Persia...what is now Iran). As long as a nastyword isn't in a native language, some yo-yo in here will use it as a euphemism. I'll just reflect that the subject made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name? You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names. Perhaps you don't have the guts to do it. Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone who disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always has to make up an insulting nickname for them. Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry. Who is K4CAP? Isn't that a defunct callsign? Totally DEFUNCT. and employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"... many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great tears on-stage on that Oscar Night. What possible significance does that have? And is that on topic for rrap? ;^) ;-) ;-) M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic disaster at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup? Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords? Put a Trace on that Lords. I'll call "Mr. Trace, keener than most persons" if someone in here remembers Bob and Ray... :-) Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in a quirky sort of way? Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course. Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again? What possible significance has YOUR sexual fantasies to do with amateur radio policy matters? Oh, yes, you like to present them to show your "manliness?" Weird. It's all merely a frustration with "thier" station in life. Passing that 20 WPM morse code test was VERY meaningful to them...gave them something to brag about, to feel oh, so superior to other amateur radio hobbyists. Boeing doesn't test fly new aircraft with commercial paying passengers. OT? Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when in-flight. Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an amateur radio policy subject. Mebbe we should check with the CAPman on that. He's practically a Boeing insider when he jumps into that jumpsuit. Don't forget that he is "Pilot in Command" when he do dat! Got the silver wings with little laurel wreath around the star above the center shield! Maybe he had it gold plated to match USN wings? USAF wings are physically larger than USN wings. :-) Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-) Very OT So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in the 1990s as "state of the art." :-) But, but, but, it is immune to BPL... Absolutely! Immune to RFI, EMI, and EMP effects, too, I'll bet. Immune to everything except negative criticism (however slight). :-) Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and their chief test pilot) on takeoff. Yawningly OT So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in here. Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through moursemanship in that disaster scenario? And here I thought that SAC invented the checklist. Thank goodness I read RRAP. SAC no doubt improved on the checklist...but Boeing made so many of the SAC aircraft that there must have been some transfer of methods and procedures. :-) Nephew-in-law works for Boeing in the production complex near Marysville, WA. But, I was somewhat familiar with Boeing aircraft long before the family got extended. Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at low altitude. Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day with him at the yoke. Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best quality, but scary enough. Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52? Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it loose. "Dr. Strangelove." :-) Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000 pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-) Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-) Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity, wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason. But he likes to write about it. Sure does...and really, really bristles with antagonism on the slightest negative comment on what he say... B-52s are older than Jimmie...he MUST love them for that reason. Is this the part where he is called a non-participant? A mere spectator? Or was that Kelly? Both. :-) Except Kellie DID have dinner with the Captain! :-) Jimmie has some fundamental seamanship flaws. It's easy to drive (excuse me, sail) a Sabot directly into an iceberg to "save the passengers (at most two)." Brian Kelly knows better than that so I give him credit for some common sense, sailor-wise. Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date. Yes, they are. Seems like it to me! "Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-) Hardly. For THEM it is "up to date." They ARE amateur radio! The Elite of the Elite. An Army of One. All that they can be. The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just dandy. That will secure U.S. amateur radio for morse-tested hams and assure Jimmie someone to play with... Gotta protect the laurels that ye rest upon. They need whoopee cusions... They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating below 30 MHz...in the ham bands. Why does that bother you so much? Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions... What is the "relevant question?" :-) Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord. The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?" "Greenlee punch or Nibbler?" Such relevant questions. Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts" and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100. Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing (good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight. Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey, Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics. Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes (using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to some new shape. That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or snaffling ("swipe") them. At early 1990 prices, that average chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis in the photograph that would be a total of about $150. The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market" or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-) Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-) It seems that some amateurs bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in the year 2004. Perhaps some do. Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license. Why does that bother you so much, Len? Very "progressive." State of the Art. Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The Art" car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes? Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection? If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art. Roger that! Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-) It's an egnima. Ooops! Prolly later. Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20 years old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it. "Lecture?" :-) Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to specifications (which are quite good). Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme (on rye?) they are just snit. :-) I've got a ratshack dx150. Wanna trade? Hi, hi! I'll trade you my old RS "Color Computer" for it... :-) Random though mode on: I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital (excluding the necessary analog bits) Mostly analog, really! Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat. Yep. How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-) Wow! An IC-745. Time to swap out the lithium battery. Or have some of the folks in here take their lithium regularly... "Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything, everymode all has it's place." Indeed. Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?" "...every Mode has it's place." Time to tune up the arc-welder and draw a bead and a dit. Hi, hi! Do a long seam for a spark transmitter "key down" equivalent? The Petersen Auto Museum on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles had a display of all the Grinchville vehicles used in the movie. Cute. Fiberglass bodies all, some "recycled" auto parts in the chassis. Made by movie industry PROFESSIONALS! :-) I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at the top but they still make good coil forms Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-) I prefer the "Hogan's Heroes" teapot radio. heh heh heh Another PROP...but not about aviation... Quaker Oats still does some packaging in round (thin) cardboard cartons. In the 1920s that would have been a very low-cost "coil form" for the 195-meter wavelength hammes of olde. Reinvent the 1920s and claim your fame as the "innovator!" Good grief. Next thing you know, Rev. Jimmie will tout "Ralph 124C41+" as "mainstream science fiction!" :-) bwahahahahahah Whatever he tout's is da troof! Hugo Gernsback (of the publication fame) wrote "Ralph 124C41+" way way back. TERRIBLE writing. Fiction wasn't his thing and one can suspect he became a publisher to control the editors who wouldn't buy copy from him as an author. :-) I read it in one sitting in 1953. Small thin book. Dreck. It is so "camp" that the Science Fiction Writers of America wanted to name the annual SF writing award trophy as the "Hugo." :-) Gernsback could have become a "leader" in ham radio way back in the early 1920s. He had branched out too far into other radio, trying to be a visionary. Gernsback Publications was much much larger than what the league could get together. |
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