On 28 Oct 2004 23:03:24 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:
snip

Or would you rather everyone be subject
to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges?

Who are they, Len? Can't be me - I'm not a "kopp" and I have no "badges".

Now you can - check out Page 134 of the November 2004 issue of QST.
Bright, shiny badges (gold or silver plated) wirh your call and
license class proudly displayed - even has a big ol' eagle on
top........looks just like a real police badge (from a distance,
anyway!).

73, Leo

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

I'm not into any "whizzing contest" with the gunnery nurse. :-)

Hnarf!

Anyone can see you are.

Tsk, tsk. The "whizzing" is almost entirely one way, nursie
"whizzing" on anyone who disagrees (in the slightest) with
him. [that's all archived in Google, go live in the past and see
it...:-) ]

I'd think you'd be wary of Google biting you again. Don't forget that
all of your words are there too--the insults, the name calling--all of
it.


The way the league wrote themselves up, they began as a local
club using their ham sets to what was essentially hacking on the
services of commercial telegraph providers. [see the details on the
league's web site and in other published works by them]

Incorrect.

ARRL did not spring into national prominence until AFTER World
War 1, at least 8 years AFTER the Titanic sinking.

Incorrect. The League came into being in 1914 with U.S. entry into WWI
in 1917. QST resumed publication in mid-1919. The League was a
national organization before the United States entered the war.

Even so, the
league was very busy with competition from OTHER wannabe
national amateur organizations.

"Wannabe" is right. None of the other amateur radio organizations were
ever serious competitors of the ARRL.

Note: The Radio Club of America
began 5 years before the creation of the little New England club,
and "RCA" (as they call themselves) is still in existance.

Right. Five years before as "The Junior Wireless Club". The little New
England club grew and grew. The Radio Club of America was never very big
though it broadened its scope. Did you have a point?


Besides, on January 19, 2000, you told us you were going for Extra "right out
of the box".

Did I do that in church? Laying down in the nave, forming a code key
with my body and taking absolute Vows? :-)

Is that the only way we could have taken you at your word?

Tsk. I've seen what Being An Extra makes of some amateurs and
such is not for me.

I believe you meant that you've seen what it takes to become an Extra
and such is not for you.

I'm of the opinion that radio and electronics is terribly fascinating,
interesting, and makes an enjoyable field of both avocation and
occupation. To me. So much so that I made a major shift in my
formal education long ago, changing from illustration art to
electronics engineering. That despite a natural talent in
illustration and some prior work experience as an illustrator.
That was personally successful, not the "lackluster career" you
stated.

Shall we go over some of the things which you've written about the
careers of others, you poor old fellow?

I do electronics hobby work in my home workshop to please me,
not some raddio kopps demanding a certain formal Way To Do
Things, nor worshipping the old traditional ways as they were
done long ago, trying to re-enact a past that was before I was
born.

Great! It sounds as if you can go right along doing those things.

As usual, you've wasted my time. But...I was sitting around waiting
for the big brown truck to show up as promised on the tracking info.
:-)

Is that some sort of regularity euphemism, Len?

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?


Let me know when there's a federal requirement to run for some
political office in order to talk about political affairs, OK?

You can talk about politics but that doesn't make you a politician.

You can talk about amateur radio but that doesn't make you a radio
amateur.

You can talk about running for office but there are requirements to be
met before you appear on the ballot. In the end, there is no guarantee
that anyone will vote for you. You could be laughed at and heckled.

You can talk about becoming a radio amateur but there are requirements
to be met before you'll receive a license. You can talk about changing
the requirements for becoming a radio amateur. In the end, there is no
guarantee that anyone will support your ideas. You could be laughed at
and heckled.

Since when did the First Amendment get altered? Every one who
is a USA citizen has the Right to communicate with their
government...about any existing laws and potential, pending laws.

You've done that. This newsgroup is not government and you are offered
no protection from being laughed at or heckled. Pontificate at your own
risk. Insult others at your own risk.

Tsk. I might, at some future date, get an amateur radio license.

Hoooooooooooo! That's a GOOD one, Leonard.

Or maybe not. [one can't get too specific in this bunch of anal-
retentive prissy literalists, they think everything one says is some
kind of Religious Vow taken before God!]

Around here, a man is generally taken at his word...until he shows that
his word means little.

Why should I take the trouble to relearn morse code just for a
chance to get a low-cost federal merit badge?

Why? Because it is the price of admission to HF amateur radio
operation.

I don't need to
prove myself in anything to anyone on any endeavor.

So you won't be getting the amateur radio license?


Tsk. I was into HF radio communications without ANY sort of
license requirement from 1953 to 1956.

Fine and dandy. The circumstances are different and it is nearly fifty
years later.

Certainly not having any
sort of requirement to learn or use morse code. Not once did
that come up for the next half century of radio transmitting.

I follow you, Len. Now, back to amateur radio. For an HF license,
there is a 5 wpm simple morse test.


You have to realize that those older than you have ALREADY met
up with the braggarts and the insolents in life as well as having
gained an enormous amount of experience. They will KNOW when
you don't know something but are trying to pass yourself off as
something you are not. You get eaten alive in trying that.

You know, it's funny that you mentioned that. That's just like it is in
amateur radio, Len. Those of us who have been in the game for a long
time have already run into fellows who blow smoke and "know all about
it".
We know when someone is trying to pass himself off as something he
isn't.
Why, a guy like that could get stewed in his own juices. I know of a
couple of fellows like that.


Those who do the name-calling don't get absolution from their sins
therefore they usually continue. They think they can "get away"
with anything they do.

You hit it right on the head, Len. Do you know any fellows like that?

The KKK is a good example of one group that not only liked to call
others whatever they wanted but also killed those that objected
to their actions too strongly.

No need to go that far, Leonard. Just climb up on your personal cross
and tell the boys how you like to have the nails placed. I have a
feeling that the shebang is going to look like a piranha nailed to a
couple of boards.

Dave K8MN

In article , Leo
writes:

On 28 Oct 2004 23:03:24 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:
snip

Or would you rather everyone be subject
to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges?

Who are they, Len? Can't be me - I'm not a "kopp" and I have no "badges".

Now you can - check out Page 134 of the November 2004 issue of QST.
Bright, shiny badges (gold or silver plated) wirh your call and
license class proudly displayed - even has a big ol' eagle on
top........looks just like a real police badge (from a distance,
anyway!).

Those things have been around for a couple of years, Leo. Advertised on a few
amateur-related websites, too. I can't imagine anyone with any sense actually
getting one! (IMHO)

Trivia question: Can you identify the equipment they chose to use on the badge?

73 de Jim, N2EY

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were
taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow
as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to
realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred
and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination.
Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test
that with paying passangers aboard.

Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic
NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this
newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light-
years) to amateur radio policy. :-)

So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur
radio policy either.

That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly
amusing.

Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest
when
others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says
not as Len does mentality.

Tsk.

What's the matter, Len? (if you want to be called something other than Len, say
so in clear direct language, please).

What I wrote about your behavior here is true. Anyone who reads rrap can see
it. - you post off-topic more than anybody. Then you complain about others'
off-topic posting. Double standard - it's OK for Len but not OK for others.

Tsk.

Len gets told that he is off topic when he posts about radio related
(but not necessarily amateur radio) topics. So he beats you guys over
the head calling attention to all of your own off topic postings.
Then you say Len has a double standard.

Hi!

You guys are less than truthful. A lot less.

(William) wrote in message . com...


Len gets told that he is off topic when he posts about radio related
(but not necessarily amateur radio) topics. So he beats you guys over
the head calling attention to all of your own off topic postings.
Then you say Len has a double standard.

Hi!

You guys are less than truthful. A lot less.

Another ineffective redirection.

Still, we know you had to try.

Cowering is one of your more admirable traits.

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?

True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams
rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams.

Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William)
Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?

True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams
rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams.

There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam".

The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in
the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate.

To the best of my knowledge, not a single exam in service today has been
identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC
requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any
Morse Code exam as unacceptable.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?

True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams
rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams.

Farnsworth exams? I don't believe I've ever heard of any candidate for
an amateur radio license taking such an exam.

Dave K8MN

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William)
Date: 10/31/2004 7:53 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?

True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams
rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams.

There is no such thing as a "Farnsworth exam".

Volunteer examiners will tell you otherwise.

And supposedly being a VE, you should know that.

The FCC is required to ensure that all exams and exam materials used in
the conduct of exams on their behalf are appropriate.

The FCC is required to ensure that what they enforce on Howard Stern
is also enforced on Oprah.

I said before the restructuring and I'll say it again, "What I fear
most about restructuring is a lack of enforcement, and what I fear
most about maintaining the status quo is a lack of enforcement."

Amateur Radio is now in it's 30th year of a lack of enforcement.

To the best of my knowledge,

Well there you go. You're basing your opinion upon your own limited
knowledge.

not a single exam in service today has been
identified by the FCC as being inappropriate or not in confomance with FCC
requirements, nor has the FCC ever directed the removal from service of any
Morse Code exam as unacceptable.

Nor would they. It is Morse Code that is specified in Part 97.
You're going to have to try a little harder to unseat my informed
opinion.

Steve, K4YZ

Yeh, sure. Whatever.