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Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
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Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time
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Riley is not a Extra class.

Dan/W4NTI

Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?"

Which of "several Extra's", Brain?

There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a
quote.

Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

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Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal


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Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST


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(Brian Kelly) writes:

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In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs
which didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs .
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And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things.
Indeed, there were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals
who looked down on Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on
Techs, and Techs who looked down on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor
Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level
from the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX
contesting. They're "a bit competitive"....

Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX
contesting. Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy
get one? Even if he only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element
4. And he's had almost 4 years.

No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough.
More than 4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose
nonham here said he was going for Extra "right out of the box". But
no ham license of any class yet. And this nonham says he's a "radio
PROFESSIONAL"....

Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that
meeting....

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first
cycle by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will
be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!

Still nothing from one of "us"

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras"
in RRAP suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a
problem".

That's right.

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein
some other group of people may have acted stupidly.

That depends on the definition of "stupid".

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or
myself, among others, as having said anything close to "what's
his problem" over not being an Extra class licensee.

Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting
and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not
much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus
on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and
progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

The "what's his problem" reaction above happened a relatively short
time ago, not the 1960s, so the code test wasn't the issue at all.

Is that an "elitist" situation? Maybe - but that club is an elite
group. Their accomplishments in their chosen field tell the tale.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I don't know Jim. I know I guy who is on the DXCC Honor Roll and is only a
General. I'm an Extra and I don't even have my basic DXCC. I could see the
same might apply to contesting too.

Alun, even Heil had that attitude about my DXing on the 10M SSB
"kiddie band."

Welp, the contacts were valid regardless of his attitude.

There's just something wrong with with some of these Extra's.

As far as contesting goes, even the heavy hitters come looking for the
little pistols late in the game trying to run up the contact #'s. I
guess I made a bad assumption thinking that everyone who wanted a part
could have a part.

Elitism at it's worst, but I already knew it about these guys.

N2EY wrote:


It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".


That's right.

Need that extra license be a 20WPM? Or is 5WPM good
enough? .... Oh damm, mine is an "Extra lite"

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some
other group of people may have acted stupidly.


That depends on the definition of "stupid".

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself,
among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not
being an Extra class licensee.


Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting
and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not
much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus
on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and
progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

Maybe such a person wants to see if the Extra license's
benefits would be worthwhile to him. ANd if that club
would be for him if and when he did get his extra. Or
just a glutton for punishment....

robert casey wrote:

N2EY wrote:

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".


That's right.

Need that extra license be a 20WPM? Or is 5WPM good
enough? .... Oh damm, mine is an "Extra lite"

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some
other group of people may have acted stupidly.


That depends on the definition of "stupid".

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself,
among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not
being an Extra class licensee.


Let's clear this up.

The club referred to above is a special-interest amateur radio
organization, not a general-purpose club. Their focus is HF contesting
and DXing, setting up stations to do those things better, and not
much else. They don't do domestic contests or QSO parties; they focus
on the big stuff. Their members are highly competitive, and
progressive. (Example: They were among the very first to have
computers in their hamshacks).

In pursuit of the club goals, an Extra class license is pretty much a
necessity, because the DX is often in those subbands. That's just the
way it is.

So the fact that somebody without an Extra would even apply for
membership and expect to be taken as a serious DXer/contester by that
bunch indicates a problem someplace.

Maybe such a person wants to see if the Extra license's
benefits would be worthwhile to him. ANd if that club
would be for him if and when he did get his extra. Or
just a glutton for punishment....

One doesn't attend the meetings of some of these clubs to see if that
club would be for him. Someone will let him know if the club is for him
and notify him only after it has been decided to invite him to join or
not.
There's a certain Cincinnati area DX club which required DXCC and an
invitation to join. The Southwest Ohio DX Association, on the other
hand, doesn't restrict membership. Any guy with a 10m rig and a dipole
can sign up.

Dave K8MN

robert casey wrote in message link.net...
N2EY wrote:


It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".


That's right.

Need that extra license be a 20WPM? Or is 5WPM good
enough? .... Oh damm, mine is an "Extra lite"

At 14.153mHz it doesn't matter if you can do 5WPM or 30...It DOES
matter if your license says "GENERAL" or "EXTRA"...

Or did yuo forget that there are other modes than CW,
Robert...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

What are you going to do to fix it?

Steve, K4YZ

Remember Steve, I'm not a doctor. So there's not much I can do.

Best of Luck.