K1MAN does it he's a jammer and a lid.

W1AW does it it's a service to the amateur radio community.

Hams are hypocrites, just little whiners who got their asses kick at school
everyday now they think they're something.

The problem with many (not all) ham radio operators is that they think they
own the frequencies assigned to them and they have a "right" to use them.

Neither is true!

Randy
KD4OWL

"Psychiatrist to Hams" wrote in message
...

"HammComm" wrote in message
. com...
K1MAN does it he's a jammer and a lid.

W1AW does it it's a service to the amateur radio community.

Hams are hypocrites, just little whiners who got their asses kick at
school everyday now they think they're something.



Hams like to whine & cry.
To wit:

-A.M. guys whined & cried about how sideband was the ruin of ham radio.
-Incentive licensing ruined ham radio.
-No code licenses will ruin ham radio.
-ARRL is ruining ham radio.
-KV4FZ will ruin ham radio.
-K1MAN will ruin ham radio.
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"Randy A. Hefner" wrote in
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The problem with many (not all) ham radio operators is that they think
they own the frequencies assigned to them and they have a "right" to
use them.

Neither is true!

Randy
KD4OWL

"Psychiatrist to Hams" wrote in message
...

"HammComm" wrote in message
. com...
K1MAN does it he's a jammer and a lid.

W1AW does it it's a service to the amateur radio community.

Hams are hypocrites, just little whiners who got their asses kick at
school everyday now they think they're something.



Hams like to whine & cry.
To wit:

-A.M. guys whined & cried about how sideband was the ruin of ham
radio. -Incentive licensing ruined ham radio.
-No code licenses will ruin ham radio.
-ARRL is ruining ham radio.
-KV4FZ will ruin ham radio.
-K1MAN will ruin ham radio.
-(this space reserved for future whining & crying.)






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This whole thread so far seems like a troll, but if it is it's not really
working, because you're right.

There is a large contingent of hams who don't want anything to change,
ever. For a technology based hobby that's a seriously weird POV, as the
whole basis of technology is change itself. Change is as inevitable as
death and taxes.

FWIW, I have no problem with K1MAN, as I don't see much difference between
his bulletins and those of W1AW. The only differences are of the same order
as those between, say, ABC and CBS. The remedy is also the same, i.e. if
you don't like one or the other, change the channel/frequency.

The international requirement for a code test had a beginning and an end.
It began in 1927, and ended in 2003. It wasn't there at the beginning of
the hobby, and it's not there now. It's a pity that the FCC will take so
long to do anything about it, but they will. Hopefully then this issue will
go the same way as spark and AM.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

Subject: amateur radio hypocrites
From: Alun
Date: 12/3/2004 8:38 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"Randy A. Hefner" wrote in
:

The problem with many (not all) ham radio operators is that they think
they own the frequencies assigned to them and they have a "right" to
use them.

Neither is true!

Randy
KD4OWL

"Psychiatrist to Hams" wrote in message
...

"HammComm" wrote in message
. com...
K1MAN does it he's a jammer and a lid.

W1AW does it it's a service to the amateur radio community.

Hams are hypocrites, just little whiners who got their asses kick at
school everyday now they think they're something.



Hams like to whine & cry.
To wit:

-A.M. guys whined & cried about how sideband was the ruin of ham
radio. -Incentive licensing ruined ham radio.
-No code licenses will ruin ham radio.
-ARRL is ruining ham radio.
-KV4FZ will ruin ham radio.
-K1MAN will ruin ham radio.
-(this space reserved for future whining & crying.)






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This whole thread so far seems like a troll, but if it is it's not really
working, because you're right.

He's only half right...and then only by accident.

There is a large contingent of hams who don't want anything to change,
ever. For a technology based hobby that's a seriously weird POV, as the
whole basis of technology is change itself. Change is as inevitable as
death and taxes.

"Large contingent", Alun?

Where are they?

Where is their voice?

I've been a US Amateur since 1972 and while there's always someone who
likes things "just the way they are", that's true in EVERY aspect of life.

Why does anyone think that Radio Amateurs should be any different?

FWIW, I have no problem with K1MAN, as I don't see much difference between
his bulletins and those of W1AW. The only differences are of the same order
as those between, say, ABC and CBS. The remedy is also the same, i.e. if
you don't like one or the other, change the channel/frequency.

The problem between W1AM and Baxter is that W1AM actually represents
someone. And Baxter only represents Baxter. While the ARRL editorializes in
QST, it does NOT editorialize on the air. Therein lies the biggest difference.

Also, Baxter is a felonious lawbreaker. He's a criminal and a punk. No
more...No less.

The international requirement for a code test had a beginning and an end.
It began in 1927, and ended in 2003. It wasn't there at the beginning of
the hobby, and it's not there now. It's a pity that the FCC will take so
long to do anything about it, but they will. Hopefully then this issue will
go the same way as spark and AM.

While the legal "requirement" for Morse Code proficiency has gone away,
there still exists a valid reason to keep Morse Code as a basic communication
skill around. The day of the "universal translator" ala-Star Trek has yet to
arrive, and Morse Code can still help bridge that gap.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message
...

While the legal "requirement" for Morse Code proficiency has gone
away,
there still exists a valid reason to keep Morse Code as a basic
communication
skill around. The day of the "universal translator" ala-Star Trek has yet
to
arrive, and Morse Code can still help bridge that gap.

Some amateurs may not realize what Steve is talking about... With morse
code, you can get through a basic QSO with amateurs who speak a digfferent
language better than one might normally expect!

Quoting EI7IS's blog---: http://www.hamblog.com/blog_ei7is.php

--------------------------------------
One argument that was not very well plugged by the "Keep the CW Requirement"
lobby and is still a good reason for learning The Code (compulsory or not)
is the fact that Morse is the "Lingua Franca of Radio". Apparently in use
since the Middle Ages, Lingua Franca was a trade language used by various
language communities around the Mediterranean, to communicate with others
whose language they did not speak. It was a simple language which allowed
traders of different cultures/languages to communicate their prices and
quantities to each other and served it's purpose up until the 19th century.

What many don't realise about CW is that it is fairly much "language
independent" and an English speaking radio amateur can communicate with a
Japanese operator without ever being aware of any language barriers! This is
because CW uses prosigns and abbreviations (such as the Q-Code) which mean
the same thing world wide regardless of language. Now, what other mode
allows you to do that? (Ok, SSTV gives it a good stab, but apart from that
CW is pretty unique).
--------------------------------------

Charles, N5PVL

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote

The day of the "universal translator" ala-Star Trek has yet to
arrive, and Morse Code can still help bridge that gap.

Steve,

I'm a great fan of the use of Morse code (small c), but the above statement is
pure bull****. Morse is just a way of encoding alpha-numeric characters, not a
bridge between languages.

Before you trot out the old rant about Q-signals and abbreviations, I'll remind
you that those Q-signals and abbreviations have the same meaning whether spoken,
sent as ASCII or Baudot signals, or waved over semaphore flags.

73, de Hans, K0HB

K4YZ.....Steve you're a stone asshole!
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message
...
Subject: amateur radio hypocrites
From: "Randy A. Hefner"
Date: 12/3/2004 8:18 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The problem with many (not all) ham radio operators is that they think
they
own the frequencies assigned to them and they have a "right" to use them.

Neither is true!

Randy
KD4OWL

The "facts" are that only a very few idiots believe that. However an
even
bigger percentage of persons keep trying to perpetuate the idea.

And while no Amateur "owns" a frequency, we DO have the right to use
those
frequencies assigned to us.

So sayeth the FCC.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote


Again with the profanities, Hans?


Bull****.

Unless you engage in religious worship males bovines, the word isn't profane.
If you are in fact a follower of Brahminism, I apologize, otherwise just deal
with it.

And your assertion that Morse code (small c) is some sort of lingua franca is
still bull****.

73, de Hans, K0HB

In article , "Charles
Brabham" writes:


While the legal "requirement" for Morse Code proficiency has gone away,
there still exists a valid reason to keep Morse Code as a basic
communication
skill around. The day of the "universal translator" ala-Star Trek has yet
to
arrive, and Morse Code can still help bridge that gap.

Some amateurs may not realize what Steve is talking about... With morse
code, you can get through a basic QSO with amateurs who speak a digfferent
language better than one might normally expect!

In reality, the "legal" requirement for morsemanship to use all amateur
privileges below 30 MHz has NOT "gone away."

Also, there is NO requirement or even suggestion that U.S. radio
amateurs MUST "speak" to those whose primary language is not
English.

The ONLY reason for adopting a "simple" (technologically speaking)
method of using radio waves to communicate was that turning a
radio transmitter on or off was about the ONLY way the primitive,
early radio could be used.

[Miccolis is even now preparing a scathing rebuke talking about his
old buddy, Reggie Fessenden, doing AM with a carbon mike in the
antenna lead way back in 1900 (supposedly) and for sure in 1906
(many witnesses)...not exactly a wide-spread adoption of an AM
method then, now or in-between]

One argument that was not very well plugged by the "Keep the CW Requirement"
lobby and is still a good reason for learning The Code (compulsory or not)
is the fact that Morse is the "Lingua Franca of Radio". Apparently in use
since the Middle Ages, Lingua Franca was a trade language used by various
language communities around the Mediterranean, to communicate with others
whose language they did not speak. It was a simple language which allowed
traders of different cultures/languages to communicate their prices and
quantities to each other and served it's purpose up until the 19th century.

Tsk. Most of that is intellectual-academic bull**** in actual practice,
according to much more detailed history from about 500 AD an onward
(give or take a millennium).

First of all, amateur radio under U.S. regulations is NOT for trade
purposes, commerce, or anything involving money (that's why it is called
AMATEUR radio, done for non-pecuniary reasons, or, more simply, as
a HOBBY).

What was actually USED as a so-called "common language for money
exchange" (lingua franca or language for franking) was a highly-variable
polyglot depending on the region. There was NO one language, but many,
since there was relatively little in the way of lexicons or other aids for
study. Those in "international" commerce and trade had to learn as
much and as many different necessary languages and dialects as they
were able to do. For business purposes, the needs of language were
relatively simple since business transactions were largely without all of
the modern regulations, taxation, tariffs, etc.

What many don't realise about CW is that it is fairly much "language
independent" and an English speaking radio amateur can communicate with a
Japanese operator without ever being aware of any language barriers!

As written by someone whose native language is English, that's an
extremely biased statement.

First, there's NO "need" for any U.S. amateur to communicate with
Japanese amateurs, nor any other amateurs whose languages are not
English...not any more than a Japanese amateur being required to
communicate with a Chinese, Korean, or Russian amateur. [a large
population fraction of the world, none of whom have English as the
native language...and morse code is based on the English alphabet]

"Q Codes" and other jargonspeak prosigns were developed NOT as any
"lingua franca" but because manual morse was SLOW compared to
speech. That was a convenience, not a necessity. A "QSY" can be
as easy to understand in any form of communication from morse to
TTY to speech to the printed word. It is JARGON, not some magic
phrase. If commonly used by many, then it becomes understandable
throughout the radio communications world. [amateurs didn't start that
sort of jargon, but many erroneously think they did]

This is
because CW uses prosigns and abbreviations (such as the Q-Code) which mean
the same thing world wide regardless of language. Now, what other mode
allows you to do that? (Ok, SSTV gives it a good stab, but apart from that
CW is pretty unique).

No cigar. Invalid reasoning. All those "prosigns" and Q Codes do is
fit standard phrasing into a shorter time frame, no more and no less than
the JARGON of any common activity.

Among the members of the electrical unions at work in the film and TV
industry, "Kill the broad!" means to turn off the broad (wide-beam) lighting
on a set. "Go to black" in TV production means to shut down video-audio
as in after a "Crawl" is done (the roll-through of credits for the
production).
All those terms are perfectly understandable - within their lines of work -
and came to be standardized with wide use as in all human jargon. It
isn't "unique" or magic or any other self-congratulatory wonderfulness.

What all of the PCTA bafflegab boils down to is that the morsemen managed
to learn a particular skill of early radio (a necessary skill in old,
primitive
radio), are highly proud of their accomplishment, and insist that others do
the same extraordinary thing they did...to prove these newcomers are "as
good in radio" as they.

Subject: amateur radio hypocrites
From: "Psychiatrist to Hams"
Date: 12/3/2004 1:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message
...

While the legal "requirement" for Morse Code proficiency has gone
away,
there still exists a valid reason to keep Morse Code as a basic
communication
skill around. The day of the "universal translator" ala-Star Trek has yet
to
arrive, and Morse Code can still help bridge that gap.

And all the above is your own stupid OPINION and has no basis
in fact whatsoever! And stop deleting groups you ####-for-brains.

My opinion, and one bore out by 9 decades of proof.

And as for deleting YOUR crap, well, that's just a perk of the "DELETE"
button, you anonymous coward.

Too bad you're not as big a man as your mouth is.

Steve, K4YZ