Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any different
than down where the mud ducks roam(11 meters).I will say this the only
amateurs I hear who are courteous,practice good operating procedure and talk
radio are on the AM net. N9OGL needs to change his operating frequency to
27.555.Somebody might be listening there. 73's

QRZ?

with all due regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"Radio Ron" wrote in message
news:1106073635.118242094c6b76010649b0b4531e6316@t eranews...
Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any
different
than down where the mud ducks roam(11 meters).I will say this the only
amateurs I hear who are courteous,practice good operating procedure and
talk
radio are on the AM net. N9OGL needs to change his operating frequency to
27.555.Somebody might be listening there. 73's

Maybe W1AW should move down to 11 meters too
10-4 good buddy
N9OGL

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
news:1106073635.118242094c6b76010649b0b4531e6316@t eranews...
Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any
different
than down where the mud ducks roam(11 meters).I will say this the only
amateurs I hear who are courteous,practice good operating procedure and
talk
radio are on the AM net. N9OGL needs to change his operating frequency to
27.555.Somebody might be listening there. 73's

Radio Ron wrote:
Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any different

Your brush is too broad. There are over 600 kilohams in the US. You're
hearing at most 100 of them, which amounts to 0.00017 (seventeen
hundred-thousandths), or 0.017% (seventeen thousandths percent). That's
not bad at all. Show us any other group that has such a low percentage
of bad boys.

Even if there were 1000 of them, that still amounts to only 0.0017 or
0.17% of entire amateur population. The problem is that if you so much
as sneeze on HF, half the world can possibly hear you; that factor is
what makes their behavior stand out. If their QSOs were occurring on VHF,
no one except locals would take notice.

Jeff KH6O

--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

On 20 Jan 2005 18:40:25 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman)
wrote:

Radio Ron wrote:
Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any different

Your brush is too broad. There are over 600 kilohams in the US. You're
hearing at most 100 of them, which amounts to 0.00017 (seventeen
hundred-thousandths), or 0.017% (seventeen thousandths percent). That's
not bad at all. Show us any other group that has such a low percentage
of bad boys.

Even if there were 1000 of them, that still amounts to only 0.0017 or
0.17% of entire amateur population. The problem is that if you so much
as sneeze on HF, half the world can possibly hear you; that factor is
what makes their behavior stand out. If their QSOs were occurring on VHF,
no one except locals would take notice.

Jeff KH6O

I don't think you appreciate the psychology of the situation. Try this
experiment; Take a plain, white piece of 8 1/2" by 11" printer paper.
Using a black magic marker, make a dot about the size of a dime on one
side of the paper. Now, show the paper to several people and ask them
what the first thing is that they notice. The majority of them will
say that the first thing they notice is the black dot.
That dot only covers roughly one half of one percent of the total
surface area of the paper, yet most people notice the blemish first.
They seldom notice that the rest of the paper is untouched.

So it is with ham radio. Outsiders see the blemishes on 75 and 20
meters, yet they don't see that the vast majority of other aspects are
untouched. First impressions mean a lot, and ratios of good-to-bad
operators are meaningless in this respect.

Ham Guy wrote:

(Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

Radio Ron wrote:
Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.If
you question what I say,just hangout on 75 meters and just listen to the
foul mouth bigots and the racial slurs that you hear.It isn't any different

Your brush is too broad. There are over 600 kilohams in the US. You're
hearing at most 100 of them, which amounts to 0.00017 (seventeen
hundred-thousandths), or 0.017% (seventeen thousandths percent). That's
not bad at all. Show us any other group that has such a low percentage
of bad boys.
Even if there were 1000 of them, that still amounts to only 0.0017 or
0.17% of entire amateur population. The problem is that if you so much
as sneeze on HF, half the world can possibly hear you; that factor is
what makes their behavior stand out. If their QSOs were occurring on VHF,
no one except locals would take notice.

Jeff KH6O


I don't think you appreciate the psychology of the situation.

Oh, I do. You said "nobody seems to care" which would indicate that
100% of the amateur community and the FCC have turned their backs to
our problems; that is completely false. Recall your logic 101 class:
To prove that "nobody cares" is false, it only takes one person who
does care -- that fact that you do care invalidates your own claim!

Try this
experiment; Take a plain, white piece of 8 1/2" by 11" printer paper.
Using a black magic marker, make a dot about the size of a dime on one
side of the paper. Now, show the paper to several people and ask them
what the first thing is that they notice. The majority of them will...

Your experiment coincides with my statement that if you so much as
sneeze on HF, half the world could possibly hear you. The riff-raff
are a tiny fraction of the amateur community, yet their bad behavior
on HF does present a bad image for the rest of us. But again, you
can't conclude that "nobody seems to care."

One thing is for sure, even the riff-raff can learn enough code to get
an HF license.

73, Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

On 23 Jan 2005 19:54:14 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman)
wrote:

Even if there were 1000 of them, that still amounts to only 0.0017 or
0.17% of entire amateur population. The problem is that if you so much
as sneeze on HF, half the world can possibly hear you; that factor is
what makes their behavior stand out. If their QSOs were occurring on VHF,
no one except locals would take notice.

Jeff KH6O


I don't think you appreciate the psychology of the situation.

Oh, I do. You said "nobody seems to care" which would indicate that

I never wrote that. "Radio Ron" wrote that.

100% of the amateur community and the FCC have turned their backs to
our problems; that is completely false. Recall your logic 101 class:
To prove that "nobody cares" is false, it only takes one person who
does care -- that fact that you do care invalidates your own claim!

Try this
experiment; Take a plain, white piece of 8 1/2" by 11" printer paper.
Using a black magic marker, make a dot about the size of a dime on one
side of the paper. Now, show the paper to several people and ask them
what the first thing is that they notice. The majority of them will...

Your experiment coincides with my statement that if you so much as
sneeze on HF, half the world could possibly hear you. The riff-raff
are a tiny fraction of the amateur community, yet their bad behavior
on HF does present a bad image for the rest of us. But again, you
can't conclude that "nobody seems to care."

Again, *I* never wrote that. There are quite a few hams that care
about the on-air activities of the riff-raff that pervade the 75m and
20m bands. They may, however, disagree on how to address the problem,
or may just like to bitch about it while listening with a morbid
curiosity each evening.

One thing is for sure, even the riff-raff can learn enough code to get
an HF license.

73, Jeff KH6O

Agreed, but please attribute your replies properly. I never said
"nobody seems to care" in the message I posted. That was the poster
"Radio Ron"

"Radio Ron" wrote in message
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: Nobody seems to care about amateur radio including the hams themselves.

We hams are no longer viewed by any significant authority as anything more
than a motley collection of hobbyists. Sorry: fact of life. Gripe if you
wish. It won't change the truth. In fact, many authorities wish we would
disappear. We are, at best, "overbearing, unqualified tinkerers," and at
worst "overbearing, unqualified tinkerers." Well, we could leave off the
word "tinkerer" as the majority of hams have no ability nor desire to
tinker. We are in no way, speaking generally, that 'pool of qualified
electronics techs' the FCC mentions, although we seem to think we are.
Those days are gone.

M.A.N.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
- Voltaire