Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation

Again nowhere in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that amateur's
can not be opinionated. The rules state the"information bulletin" has to be
of interest to the amateur radio community. I know amateur who run progams
on ATV about what antenna are the best to uses at what frequency....that's
also an opinion too. The reason there is no statement about no opinions on
the amateur band is as I stated before your getting into both a First
Amendment issue and content control issue which the FCC can't regulate under
Section 326. I've read on both on here and on other message board and it
seem that there is a HUGE misunderstanding of what an information bulletin
is and until there is a official statement by the FCC to where ALL amateur's
get the message this problem will never be solved.

Todd N9OGL



"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.
The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information
bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to
disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease
I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of
Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of
amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and
regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC
rules
does it state that.


Granted I should have said information rather than news. However opinion
pieces are not information.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

OK what is then???

Todd N9OGL

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 05:49:21 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

You know the easiest way of solving this problem which I'm working on, is
a
petition for rulemaking to clarify what a Information bulletin is. That
would solve the problem once and for all.

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

well like I stated untill the FCC makes a ruling on the matter where every
amateur gets the message this problem will never be solved. As for playing
lawyer it don't take a rocket scientist to read the rules. It's not my fault
your IQ is that of a 5th grader and you can't ****ing read. Put
Hollingsworth dick or it that stupid fat **** Phil Kane dick back in your
mouth and shut the hell up you whiney little bitchwhore! As for
interpretation of the rules as Hollingsworth stated in a letter to K1MAN "
The rules of the Amateur Service are straightforward and easy to understand"
(From Amateur radio licenseK1MAN to Glenn Baxter K1MAN from Riley
Hollingsworth January 29, 2002) (complete letter at
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement...2002/0209.html)

Todd N9OGL


"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.
The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.

And you must also look at

97.111(b)(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information
bulletins;

Let look at the bottom one first. "Transmissions necessary to
disseminate
information bulletins" now we all know what transmission means at lease
I
hope you all do so lets look at the ending section of that part
"disseminate
information bulletins". Disseminate according to The American Heritage
Dictionary disseminate means to spread or to be spread. Information
according to the same dictionary means "Knowledge from study or
experience.
(2)Knowledge of an event or situation; Intelligence. (3) A collection of
facts or data (4) Informing or being informed; communication of
Knowledge.
Lastly a bulletin is according to American Heritage Dictonary is (1) A
printed or broadcast statement on a matter of public interest (2) A
periodical, esp. one published by an organization or society
So with all we can state that 97.111(b)(6) means in layman term A radio
siganal necessary to spread knowledge as a statement on matters of
amateur
interest something on that lines no where in the FCC rules and
regulations
does it state it has to be NEWS only that it has to be information
consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the amateur
service. After reading stuff off of not only this newsgroup but other
amateur message boards I understand that many amateur's think that a
information bulletin is a news bulletin but again nowhere in the FCC
rules
does it state that.


I'll try to put it into words that hopefully even you can understand.
The spirit of the rule means that the one-way transmissions on the
amateur bands should contain bulletins or information pertaining to
amateur radio and directed only to amateur radio operators and the
subject matter should be that which is of interest to the amateur radio
service. My, that is almost exactly what the rule itself says.
Now quit trying to be a self taught lawyer, you are proving you are very
poor at it. It really doesn't matter how you interpet the rules, what
matters is how the FCC interperts them and if they interpert them
differently than you do, that's your problem.






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The cloeses "communication attorney" is 200 miles away....oh well I just
keep doing my thing and this "problem will never be solved.

Todd n9ogl


"Phil Kane" wrote in message
ganews.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:05:31 -0600, Todd Daugherty wrote:

A Petition for Rulemaking is not the proper way to get this ruling.
It would be dismissed out of hand.

Strike One.

OK what is then???

Consult your local communications attorney admitted to practice
before the FCC.

You are not my client and I'm not going to do the "heavy lifting"
for you.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding. The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.


So Toddyboy, what is your 20 meter schedule? We are waiting so we can
tune in, even make contact. When are you going to post the schedule?

Todd Daugherty wrote:


It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.



Is that Saturday, Sunday, or both, or are we supposed to guess?

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting" allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:

Where in the FCC rules and regulations does it state that it has to be a
news bulletin? I think that's where Amateurs have a misunderstanding.
The
term in the FCC rules and regulations state:

97.3(a)(25) Information bulletin. A message directed only to amateur
operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service.



It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.

Todd N9OGL



So Toddyboy, what is your 20 meter schedule? We are waiting so we can
tune in, even make contact. When are you going to post the schedule?






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Sorry Saturday at those times.

Todd N9OGL
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Todd Daugherty wrote:


It will be at 5.00 pm EST, 4.00 pm CST, 3.00 pm MST, 2.00 pm PST between
14.225 to 14.350 MHz.



Is that Saturday, Sunday, or both, or are we supposed to guess?






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Again, I think the only way to solve this problem as I stated before is to
have the FCC clarify the rules only then will this problem be resolved.
untill then I will continue to inform Amateurs with my opinions about issues
in amateur radio.

Todd N9OGL

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Todd Daugherty" wrote in message
...
Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confinfidence but not
substantiated by proof (2) A judgement based on special KNOWLEDGE (3) A
judgement or estimation


Please note that in definition 2, you have put the emphasis on the wrong
word. The emphasis should be on JUDGEMENT not on knowledge. Note that
various and conflicting judgements (opinions) can be formed from the same
knowledge.

There is of course no rule that hams cannot be opinionated. There is of
course no rule that they cannot discuss their opinions in the course of
ordinary two way conversations. However the limited "broadcasting"
allowed
by part 97 specifies information bulletins. Opinions are not information
although of course they may be derived from information.







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