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March 4th 05, 08:44 PM
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message .. . wrote in groups.com: [snip] It's the classic case of a red herring diversion. Blame the code test for everyhting bad while the real problems are not addressed. 73 de Jim, N2EY It depends what you mean. Will repealing the code test provide a vast increase in numbers? No. Will it provide some increase? Yes. I'd say that's more like a maybe rather than a yes. Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Will there be a large increase in HF use? Yes. That is also a maybe. If the code is dropped this year, many will buy the rigs and try it but may be sadly disappointed in the results since we are in the trough of the sunspot cycle and results are so often poor right now. They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, good point, Dee! When I first got my license, the band conditions were very good on average. The "work the world on a wet string" days. Now 20 meters is usually half dead around 7 p.m. and the broadcasters are starting to flood 40 meters. So a new HF'er is going to wonder just exactly what those new privileges are worth. As the sunspot cycle winds down, the conditions are only going to get worse. 80 meters will be a crowed pool for the next few years. Personally I think that anyone who is feels trapped by having to learn Morse code will feel equally or more trapped when they discover what they have to do to get a good signal out on 80/75 meters! Maybe they can get the F.C.C. to repeal those stupid propagation conditions! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#132
March 4th 05, 08:54 PM
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On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous
hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] It's the classic case of a red herring diversion. Blame the code test for everyhting bad while the real problems are not addressed. 73 de Jim, N2EY It depends what you mean. Will repealing the code test provide a vast increase in numbers? No. Will it provide some increase? Yes. I'd say that's more like a maybe rather than a yes. What? You don't KNOW? All PCTAs KNOW things EXACTLY! :-) Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. :-) Will there be a large increase in HF use? Yes. That is also a maybe. If the code is dropped this year, many will buy the rigs and try it but may be sadly disappointed in the results since we are in the trough of the sunspot cycle and results are so often poor right now. Sorry, Dee, you can't be right unless you give the EXACT number. "No one will believe you if you don't give us the exact data." :-) Riiiight, Dee, the "only" purpose of HF is "to work DX with CW." :-) They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, all that struggle just to be "second best!" Such "incentive!" Gots to "work DX on HF with CW." On "shortwave!" BTW, the rest of the radio world uses the term "shortwave" to refer to small wavelengths measured in centimeters. It's in all the trade magazines. Oops, I forgot. Real hams don't read industry trades. The only approved publications about radio come from the ARRL. Work, struggle with all one's might to become "second best." :-) Mediocre is the word. Or, to keep the "CW" bandplan open as an olde-tymer's playground/sandbox to keep their righteousnesses happy. "Real" radio operators do "CW." All important, vital, necessities, righteous. Get and keep federal LAW to TEST all hobbyists operating below 30 MHz or the sky will fall! |
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#134
March 5th 05, 05:08 AM
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woke up from a long winter's nap and wrote:
On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. :-) Incorrect, grizzled ancient one. No coders have the same opportunity to pass the piddling, easy 5 wpm code test as anyone else. :-) :-) Riiiight, Dee, the "only" purpose of HF is "to work DX with CW." :-) Nobody is peddling that claim except for you and you aren't involved with DX or CW. They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, all that struggle just to be "second best!" Such "incentive!" Gots to "work DX on HF with CW." On "shortwave!" Those of us who care to will. How are you involved? BTW, the rest of the radio world uses the term "shortwave" to refer to small wavelengths measured in centimeters. That's simply incorrect. The term has been defined and understood for many, many decades. If some Johnny-come-lately wants to act as if he has just invented the terms "shortwave" or "wireless" let him join you in looking like a complete boob. It's in all the trade magazines. Oops, I forgot. Real hams don't read industry trades. The only approved publications about radio come from the ARRL. Real hams may read anything they choose and even a non-ham like yourself may look at QST. Work, struggle with all one's might to become "second best." :-) Mediocre is the word. You whine and whine over a measly five wpm morse code test and you dare write of mediocrity? :-) :-) Or, to keep the "CW" bandplan open as an olde-tymer's playground/sandbox to keep their righteousnesses happy. "Real" radio operators do "CW." All important, vital, necessities, righteous. Get and keep federal LAW to TEST all hobbyists operating below 30 MHz or the sky will fall! Seems as if you're really swinging from the chandelier today, Leonard. Dave K8MN |
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#135
March 5th 05, 07:17 PM
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... [snip] As the future would pan out, we have lost numbers, and a lot of them the Non-coded types. As a ship that is almost stopped proves, turning the rudder does almost nothing, or when the interest rate goes very low, adjusting it does almost nothing, eliminating the 5WPM Morse code will have no positive effect on the numbers of new hams, and the most likely effect will be that with the lesser effort, more and more will get into the hobby with only slight interest, and then drop out. That is not what we need. Hey, do I get a prize for that freakin' long sentence? - Mike KB3EIA - How does it stack up against some of Edgar Allan Poe's sentences? I know he wrote some doozies when it came to length. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#136
March 5th 05, 07:24 PM
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"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... woke up from a long winter's nap and wrote: On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. :-) Incorrect, grizzled ancient one. No coders have the same opportunity to pass the piddling, easy 5 wpm code test as anyone else. :-) :-) Riiiight, Dee, the "only" purpose of HF is "to work DX with CW." :-) Nobody is peddling that claim except for you and you aren't involved with DX or CW. Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone replies to them. Notice how he has inserted material that wasn't even there. I've worked plenty of non-DX stations on HF. He ignores the fact that the same propagation principles apply to domestic and international communications. I am also amazed at how he keeps flattering me by using the term "Mama Dee", since this is the most important job in the world for any woman with children. He probably intends for it to be derogatory but has failed miserably in that regard. They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, all that struggle just to be "second best!" Such "incentive!" Gots to "work DX on HF with CW." On "shortwave!" Those of us who care to will. How are you involved? Notice how he cannot distiguish between 2nd best and 2nd most used. These two phrases have entirely different meanings. BTW, the rest of the radio world uses the term "shortwave" to refer to small wavelengths measured in centimeters. That's simply incorrect. The term has been defined and understood for many, many decades. If some Johnny-come-lately wants to act as if he has just invented the terms "shortwave" or "wireless" let him join you in looking like a complete boob. It's in all the trade magazines. Oops, I forgot. Real hams don't read industry trades. The only approved publications about radio come from the ARRL. Real hams may read anything they choose and even a non-ham like yourself may look at QST. Work, struggle with all one's might to become "second best." :-) Mediocre is the word. You whine and whine over a measly five wpm morse code test and you dare write of mediocrity? :-) :-) Again he is totally fuzzy on the difference between 2nd best and 2nd most used. Or, to keep the "CW" bandplan open as an olde-tymer's playground/sandbox to keep their righteousnesses happy. "Real" radio operators do "CW." All important, vital, necessities, righteous. Get and keep federal LAW to TEST all hobbyists operating below 30 MHz or the sky will fall! Seems as if you're really swinging from the chandelier today, Leonard. Dave K8MN Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#137
March 6th 05, 04:23 AM
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... woke up from a long winter's nap and wrote: On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. :-) Incorrect, grizzled ancient one. No coders have the same opportunity to pass the piddling, easy 5 wpm code test as anyone else. :-) :-) Riiiight, Dee, the "only" purpose of HF is "to work DX with CW." :-) Nobody is peddling that claim except for you and you aren't involved with DX or CW. Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone replies to them. That's likely a good thing. Notice how he has inserted material that wasn't even there. That happens frequently. He often goes off on a diversionary rant. I've worked plenty of non-DX stations on HF. Same here--domestic rag chews, section nets, contests. Plenty of them were done using modes other than CW too. He ignores the fact that the same propagation principles apply to domestic and international communications. It doesn't suit his agenda. I am also amazed at how he keeps flattering me by using the term "Mama Dee", since this is the most important job in the world for any woman with children. He probably intends for it to be derogatory but has failed miserably in that regard. Len finds it quite difficult to use someone's given name. They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, all that struggle just to be "second best!" Such "incentive!" Gots to "work DX on HF with CW." On "shortwave!" Those of us who care to will. How are you involved? Notice how he cannot distiguish between 2nd best and 2nd most used. These two phrases have entirely different meanings. Again, it doesn't suit his agenda. BTW, the rest of the radio world uses the term "shortwave" to refer to small wavelengths measured in centimeters. That's simply incorrect. The term has been defined and understood for many, many decades. If some Johnny-come-lately wants to act as if he has just invented the terms "shortwave" or "wireless" let him join you in looking like a complete boob. It's in all the trade magazines. Oops, I forgot. Real hams don't read industry trades. The only approved publications about radio come from the ARRL. Real hams may read anything they choose and even a non-ham like yourself may look at QST. Work, struggle with all one's might to become "second best." :-) Mediocre is the word. You whine and whine over a measly five wpm morse code test and you dare write of mediocrity? :-) :-) Again he is totally fuzzy on the difference between 2nd best and 2nd most used. Len really doesn't believe that morse code comes in second in either category. It wouldn't appear that whatever he believes has effected radio amateurs at all. He isn't involved. Dave K8MN |
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#138
March 6th 05, 02:49 PM
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Dee Flint wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... woke up from a long winter's nap and wrote: On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. Incorrect, grizzled ancient one. No coders have the same opportunity to pass the piddling, easy 5 wpm code test as anyone else. Even the unlicensed have the same oppotunities...It's just that SOME of them don't ahve the cajones to take the test...Mostly becasue it's illegal to take the test open-book. Lennie couldn't do it otherwise. He keeps making significant error-of-fact even when he has plenty of opportunity to "get it right" before he posts in here...pity that! Riiiight, Dee, the "only" purpose of HF is "to work DX with CW." Nobody is peddling that claim except for you and you aren't involved with DX or CW. Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone replies to them. Notice how he has inserted material that wasn't even there. I've worked plenty of non-DX stations on HF. He ignores the fact that the same propagation principles apply to domestic and international communications. Ironic that Lennie claims that he's such a brilliant engineer. Lot's of NON engineer types have some very enviable "DX" records never operating below 144MHz, let alone on 50MHz. Quite a few DXCC's awarded for VHF operations. THAT takes skill...perseverence...knowledge...determination. In other words...characteristics Lennie lacks. I am also amazed at how he keeps flattering me by using the term "Mama Dee", since this is the most important job in the world for any woman with children. He probably intends for it to be derogatory but has failed miserably in that regard. You'll fogive Lennie's mock-derogatory attack on your gender, Dee. Lennie's own female significant other wouldn't favor him with offspring, hence most of his angst vis-a-vis women, and I assume his misdirected attack on pre-teen licensure in Amateur Radio (no practical experience in child development). He even digs in pretty deep on Kim who's own position on many issues actually parallels his own. Ya gots ta wonder why he would publically slap around a potential ally. They may not stick with it until conditions improve since they won't have the skills to participate in the second most used mode of shortwave communications. Wow, all that struggle just to be "second best!" Such "incentive!" Gots to "work DX on HF with CW." On "shortwave!" Those of us who care to will. How are you involved? Notice how he cannot distiguish between 2nd best and 2nd most used. These two phrases have entirely different meanings. Lennie has a LOT of trouble distinguishing between a LOT of things, Dee... Like "truth" and "mistruth". They are interchangeable in Lennie's world. And if he were a licensed Amateur, Lennie would know how much significantly more challenging it is to obtain a DXCC above 50MHz than below it. Makes those who do it a lot more remarkable in my book... BTW, the rest of the radio world uses the term "shortwave" to refer to small wavelengths measured in centimeters. That's simply incorrect. The term has been defined and understood for many, many decades. If some Johnny-come-lately wants to act as if he has just invented the terms "shortwave" or "wireless" let him join you in looking like a complete boob. It's in all the trade magazines. Oops, I forgot. Real hams don't read industry trades. The only approved publications about radio come from the ARRL. Real hams may read anything they choose and even a non-ham like yourself may look at QST. Work, struggle with all one's might to become "second best." Mediocre is the word. You whine and whine over a measly five wpm morse code test and you dare write of mediocrity? Again he is totally fuzzy on the difference between 2nd best and 2nd most used. Mediocrity kept Lennie away from at least one "aerospace" job I know of. No doubt it kept him from others too. But he DID "have his hands in" several "aerospace" jobs...No doubt some of the early Vanguard missions and at least one Space Shuttle mission. Or, to keep the "CW" bandplan open as an olde-tymer's playground/sandbox to keep their righteousnesses happy. "Real" radio operators do "CW." All important, vital, necessities, righteous. Get and keep federal LAW to TEST all hobbyists operating below 30 MHz or the sky will fall! Seems as if you're really swinging from the chandelier today, Leonard. Ironic then that the ONLY "CW bandplan" is in V/UHF spectrum, huh...?!?! (Lennie and Brain call me "nuts", but then they keep making assinine assertions in the face of well known, publically accepted standards to the contrary of thier "understanding" of things...Sheeeeesh...) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#139
March 6th 05, 09:02 PM
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From: "Dee Flint" on Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:24:14
am Fortunately I only see Len's idiotic comments when someone replies to them. Tsk. PCTA Double Standard invoked. :-) Speaking against morse code is "idiotic!" :-) Ostrich syndrome. Hiding one's head in the sand does NOT make them disappear. :-) Notice how he has inserted material that wasn't even there. I've worked plenty of non-DX stations on HF. He ignores the fact that the same propagation principles apply to domestic and international communications. "Ignore?" :-) Hardly. The SAME laws of physics apply to ALL radio, Dee. Electrons, fields and waves ignore human divisions of "domestic" and "international." They also ignore the human divisions of "ham radios" versus all other radios. I first started doing both domestic and international radio communications 52 years ago. Laws of physics haven't changed in all that half century. I am also amazed at how he keeps flattering me by using the term "Mama Dee", since this is the most important job in the world for any woman with children. He probably intends for it to be derogatory but has failed miserably in that regard. Tsk. I suppose you want to "discipline" those who make derogatory to you? :-) Tsk, tsk, tsk. Trying to treat grown-ups as if they are children is NOT a mature behavior. :-) Notice how he cannot distiguish between 2nd best and 2nd most used. These two phrases have entirely different meanings. Depends on whether one is in REALITY or the fantasy of the PCTA extras. :-) The rest of the radio world thinks of morse code as a "Once Was," and such isn't in any "2nd," nor "3rd," nor any category. :-) Tsk, tsk, tsk. ONLY in amateur radio is that old 1844 morse code considered an ultimate skill achievement worthy of amateur radio license "qualification!" Wow! Hello? Can anyone say "RETRO?" :-) Again he is totally fuzzy on the difference between 2nd best and 2nd most used. Tsk. I've offended Mother Ham! [isn't that awful?!?] Well, one out of two ain't bad (I really like apple pie). :-) [try the phrase "mom and apple pie" for those who are connect-the-dot impaired... :-) ] Yup...the following is a catechism of the Church of St. Hiram following: Or, to keep the "CW" bandplan open as an olde-tymer's playground/sandbox to keep their righteousnesses happy. "Real" radio operators do "CW." All important, vital, necessities, righteous. Get and keep federal LAW to TEST all hobbyists operating below 30 MHz or the sky will fall! To the PCTA extras, morse code IS first! Hear ye! Hear ye! :-) |
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#140
March 6th 05, 10:25 PM
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"K4YZ" frothing-at-the-mouth Avenging Angle, still mad as hell
and unable to take it anymore posted this on Sun, Mar 6 2005 5:49 am: Dee Flint wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... woke up from a long winter's nap and wrote: On Thurs, Mar 3 2005 11:04 pm, "Dee Flint" (calmed down from a previous hissy fit) jumped into a so-called conversation and shouted out: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message . .. wrote in oups.com: [snip] Are there thousands of hams that could pass the General or Extra theory trapped above 30 MHz? Yes. There are no hams "trapped above 30Mhz. Riiiiight, Mama Dee. Nobody is trapped. No-coders are NOBODIES. Incorrect, grizzled ancient one. No coders have the same opportunity to pass the piddling, easy 5 wpm code test as anyone else. Even the unlicensed have the same oppotunities...It's just that SOME of them don't ahve the cajones to take the test...Mostly becasue it's illegal to take the test open-book. Tsk. Stevie done took a bath in Lie Soap again. :-) Lennie couldn't do it otherwise. He keeps making significant error-of-fact even when he has plenty of opportunity to "get it right" before he posts in here...pity that! Of course, "pity" that so few want to inhabit a world of fantasy conjured up by the PCTA extras where Morse Is King! :-) Ironic that Lennie claims that he's such a brilliant engineer. Tsk, tsk. Stevie done IMAGINED something again. Bad, Stevie, Bad! I am an electronics design engineer by training and experience, accepting money for such work. Did that for years and years. I've not claimed otherwise. :-) "Brilliant?!?" Only when I turn on the Xenon spotlight. :-) [I don't glow in the dark yet... :-) ] Lot's of NON engineer types have some very enviable "DX" records never operating below 144MHz, let alone on 50MHz. Quite a few DXCC's awarded for VHF operations. THAT takes skill...perseverence...knowled?ge...determination. In other words...characteristics Lennie lacks. Tsk, tsk. How did the subject suddenly turn to VHF DX? :-) Is big badass Stevie some kind of VHF operations DX hero? Tell us all about your mighty (hostile?) actions at VHF and above! I'm sure we can find at least one person in here who has the patience to listen to such tales. Tsk. As for "skills" and the rest, I was working with 1.8 GHz multi-channel microwave radio terminals back in 1954, as operations and maintenance supervisor of 9 of them in 1955. All line-of-sight, of course, but operating 24/7 and had to. You'll fogive Lennie's mock-derogatory attack on your gender, Dee. Lennie's own female significant other wouldn't favor him with offspring, hence most of his angst vis-a-vis women, and I assume his misdirected attack on pre-teen licensure in Amateur Radio (no practical experience in child development). Tsk, tsk, tsk. My wife and I will celebrate our 6th wedding anniversary soon. :-) Tsk. Stevie hasn't done a good work-up on his opponents in here. Stevie needs to go back to Psychiatry 101 and review what he didn't get the first time around. :-) I'm not sure what this thing about "raising children" is about...it's an artificiality brought up by those who just want to FIGHT about a subject. He even digs in pretty deep on Kim who's own position on many issues actually parallels his own. Ya gots ta wonder why he would publically slap around a potential ally. I "dig deep?" :-) "Slap around a potential ally?!?" :-) Stevie must be on some kind of druggie Trip again. :-) Lennie has a LOT of trouble distinguishing between a LOT of things, Dee... Like "truth" and "mistruth". They are interchangeable in Lennie's world. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I live in REALITY, not in Stevie's fantasy world where He sets the rulez and determines what is "truth" and what is "lie." :-) And if he were a licensed Amateur, Lennie would know how much significantly more challenging it is to obtain a DXCC above 50MHz than below it. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor Stevie is trying to divert the subject. I've worked above 50 MHz and I've worked below 50 MHz since 1953 and continued to do so until 2004. Never had to get an amateur radio license for that nor know morse code, just used my First 'Phone first granted in 1956. :-) Makes those who do it a lot more remarkable in my book... Stevie needs to get TWO books. And OPEN them. :-) Mediocrity kept Lennie away from at least one "aerospace" job I know of. Which one was that? :-) Was it Hughes Aircraft Company? Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation? Micro-Radionics division of Systron-Donner? Birtcher Instruments? Electro-Optical Systems (a division of Xerox Corporation)? Radio Corporation of America? Teledyne Electronics? Rocketdyne (then a division of Rockwell International, sold to Boeing Aircraft, with a current, pending sale to another corporation not yet completed)? I've posted those places of employment in here before. You really ought to get things straight. Tsk. No doubt it kept him from others too. Heh heh heh...I'm suuuure you think so...except I chose my places of employment, was NEVER fired for any reason. But he DID "have his hands in" several "aerospace" jobs...No doubt some of the early Vanguard missions and at least one Space Shuttle mission. I did?!? Stevie went off into some wild blue yonder of his own. Tsk. "Aerospace" means both air and space. :-) Rocketdyne designed and built - and still builds - the Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME). Three on every STS vehicle. [that's "shuttle" to civilians] Liquid hydrogent - liquid oxygen powered, throttleable thrust, 350,000 pounds of thrust (awesome to feel one 1200 feet away in the blockhouse during a test run). Each SSME has its own strap-on computer to control the throttleable engine and measure oxygen flow indirectly. Tsk. I've never been directly involved in a "mission" of STS (specific flight) and certainly not on the "Vanguard" program. (Lennie and Brain call me "nuts", but then they keep making assinine assertions in the face of well known, publically accepted standards to the contrary of thier "understanding" of things...Sheeeeesh...) Well, little Stevie is 0 for naught on this message, hasn't gotten one thing correct yet, wandered obliquely off on some tangent subject in a transcendental haze. Poor guy should STAY on his meds...and seek professional medical mental therapy. But, Stevie IS a shining example of a modern PCTA amateur extra! [oy veh! :-) ] |
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