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March 17th 05, 11:54 AM
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Mon, Mar 14 2005 6:01 pm wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Len has never come up with any proof for his assertion of ARRL dishonesty either. I didn't ask for proof. Just evidence. Len has not provided *any* evidence in either case. So people now have to have evidence for why they want an arbitrary licensing requirement? Absolutely, Brian! Tsk, some of these PCTAs want to take code test elimination to the highest courts in the land! :-) One of the guiding principles of US lawmaking is that there must be a reason for every law. IOW, evidence that a law solves or prevents a problem. What problem does an age requirement for a ham license solve? Never mind that my source of information (and cute picture) of those two "youngest hams in the world" at 6 years old was the ARRL News, on their website. The fact that some 6 year olds passed ham license tests is not evidence of any problem. Nor is it evidence of dishonesty. I think Len is jealous of those children. Jimmie wanna say I "lie." Who is "Jimmie"? Can't be me. Your source of information for what, Leonard? Removal of morse testing? Proof of ARRL dishonesty? Jimmie Who is "Jimmie"? is of the opinion that ANY toddler (with a ham license) ALWAYS behaves and could never, ever do anything wrong on the air. Well, that can't be me. I've never written anything even remotely like that. Also, six-year-olds aren't "toddlers". That term refers to children in the 1-3 year old range, at most. Once again, Len makes a telling mistake. Len has also not provided any evidence of a problem caused by lack of a license age requirement. His proposed age requirement would bar people more than double the age of a six-year-old from any class of ham license - for no reason except for Len's admitted problems with integrating youngsters into what *he* considers adult activities. IOW, it's *his* problem. Neither do such toddlers EVER cause trouble on a playground or with their parents in super- markets, etc., etc., etc. Six year olds aren't toddlers. Nor are 13 year olds. Len behaves like a toddler in here, though. ;-) ;-) There is plenty of proof that adults cause enforcement problems in amateur radio. Can you come up with any proof that amateur radio ops who are children have caused any enforcement problems? Apparently not. Thus the misdirection by Len. Of course, if such code-tested kids grow up to be extras then they will be beyond reproach! PCTA extras can never ever be charged with ANY impropriety! Really? Have you found the mother lode of "special" mushrooms? No, Len just got a new shovel. Tsk, tsk. The league continues to Sin by Omission on much of its "news." Such "evidence" is glaringly in view by comparing REAL news sources output about an event also "reported" by the league. See? Isn't the ARRL a REAL source of amateur radio news? Have you made a Sin of Commission? Glaringly in view? You're "reportedly" a PROFESSIONAL writer. Tsk, tsk. The league is the league and beyond reproach. None may gainsay a thing nasty about them. The league is holy. The ARRL is just something else you in which you play no part. Like rearing children. By their virtue of being PCTA extras, gods of radio like Jimmie KNOW EVERYTHING and what they KNOW is the TRUTH. Who is "Jimmie"? Perhaps it's one of Len's alter-egos, because he sure seems to consider himself to be the above description. I thought you believed it to be the TRVTH. Do you KNOW EVERYTHING? Look in other threads in this newsgroup. Jimmie KNOWS about things having NOTHING to do with amateur radio and doesn't hesitate to tell the world he is "right." ...and feel free to look at any number of other thread in this newsgroup where you purport to KNOW all about amateur radio. Your mistake and factual errors are legend. Never mind that Jimmie has NEVER been IN government or in national party politics, he KNOWS it all without EVER being IN government nor expressing any desire to be IN government or national politics. Have you EVER been IN government, Len? Do you KNOW all about party politics? Have you ever stated that you'd win a political election "right of the box"? Tsk, tsk, tsk...I've never claimed to be IN amateur radio since I began advocating the elimination of the morse code test. [over two decades ago, by the way] How very peculiar. You appoint yourself advocate for the removal of morse code testing for something in which you have no involvement and you stay with it for twenty years. In all that time, you've never attempted to pass an exam which would allow you to be a participant. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Pot...kettle.... There's no good reason for a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license in the USA. We have more than 90 years of evidence to back that up. You'd think that if a problem existed, it would have manifested itself by now. Yep. But it hasn't. And as previously mentioned, the cb service had such a rule, but it was not effective in keeping that service well-behaved and law-abiding. Jim, you're unlikely to be able to reason out how an arbitrary licensing requirement will manifest itself. That is the beauty of arbitrary requirements. Brian, he just CANNOT change his mind. Can't be talking about me. I have changed my mind on many things. In your twenty years of self-appointed advocacy with regard to removal of the morse code test in amateur radio, were you ever able to change your mind on the issue? If not, it would appear that you CANNOT change your mind about the issue. There is evidence that you can easily change your mind about that "Extra right out of the box". But, we can't disturb this god of radio right now. He is very busy manufacturing a mountain out of a molehill right now. He wants to make an "example" of something I wrote to the FCC over six years ago, possibly preparing a writ for submission to the Supreme Court or something... It isn't a molehill, Leonard. You did write to the FCC in support of a minimum age for entry into amateur radio. There is no indication that you ever changed your mind on that subject. There as been no disavowal from you. Nor any evidence of problems caused by lack of an age limit, nor evidence of dishonesty by the VEs who gave the license exams to those six-year-olds. Len's "logic" boils down to this: - He thinks there's no way a six year old could pass the tests honestly. Never mind that he doesn't know the six-year-olds in question, nor has he ever passed any amateur exam, he simply KNOWS there must be "fraud" involved. - He thinks that even though there hasn't been an age requirement for a US ham license since the very beginning of such licensing 93 years ago, such a requirement MUST be added to the rules - even though he can present not a single case of a problem or enforcement action caused by the lack of such a requirement. I really do think he's jealous. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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