bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Hey Brian...Where's your substantiation to your "Tech's being
chased away" claim...?!?!

I own no Tech's.

Obviously.

You also do not own a sense of pride or appreciation for the worth
of character. Otherwise you might try to own up to some of your
assertions with some substantiation of their validity.

Go ask the anon e-mailer where all the Techs have gone.

Shall we just add that to your growing list of "Stupid Things
Brian P Burke Has Said On RRAP But Can't Prove" list...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Back to the out-of-context, "this is all I have to throw at him"
stuff, eh, Brian...???

That's over a year old now...Yet YOU, on the other hand, continue
to add to your volumes of dumb assertions.

Still no answers, eh, Brian...???

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Hey Brian...Where's your substantiation to your "Tech's being
chased away" claim...?!?!

I own no Tech's.

Obviously.

You also do not own a sense of pride or appreciation for the
worth
of character. Otherwise you might try to own up to some of your
assertions with some substantiation of their validity.

Go ask the anon e-mailer where all the Techs have gone.

Shall we just add that to your growing list of "Stupid
Things
Brian P Burke Has Said On RRAP But Can't Prove" list...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Back to the out-of-context, "this is all I have to throw at him"
stuff, eh, Brian...???

That's over a year old now...Yet YOU, on the other hand,
continue
to add to your volumes of dumb assertions.

Still no answers, eh, Brian...???

Steve, K4YZ

You claim that people's opinions are wrong. Keep knocking yourself
out.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Hey Brian...Where's your substantiation to your "Tech's
being
chased away" claim...?!?!

I own no Tech's.

Obviously.

You also do not own a sense of pride or appreciation for the
worth
of character. Otherwise you might try to own up to some of your
assertions with some substantiation of their validity.

Go ask the anon e-mailer where all the Techs have gone.

Shall we just add that to your growing list of "Stupid
Things
Brian P Burke Has Said On RRAP But Can't Prove" list...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Back to the out-of-context, "this is all I have to throw at
him"
stuff, eh, Brian...???

That's over a year old now...Yet YOU, on the other hand,
continue
to add to your volumes of dumb assertions.

Still no answers, eh, Brian...???

Steve, K4YZ

You claim that people's opinions are wrong. Keep knocking yourself
out.

No...I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over obligated
is misleading and untrue.

I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE example of
some situation where ARES was asked to respond to a situation but
couldn't due to any of the criteria YOU cited.

YOU claimed that "unlicensed devices play a major role" in
"emergency comms". I've asked your to substantiate THAT claim with some
sort of valid reference, but you;ve balked at that one, too.

You claim, I ask you to validate the claim. You refuse. No facts
= invalid claim.

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Hey Brian...Where's your substantiation to your "Tech's
being
chased away" claim...?!?!

I own no Tech's.

Obviously.

You also do not own a sense of pride or appreciation for the
worth
of character. Otherwise you might try to own up to some of your
assertions with some substantiation of their validity.

Go ask the anon e-mailer where all the Techs have gone.

Shall we just add that to your growing list of "Stupid
Things
Brian P Burke Has Said On RRAP But Can't Prove" list...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi!

Back to the out-of-context, "this is all I have to throw at
him"
stuff, eh, Brian...???

That's over a year old now...Yet YOU, on the other hand,
continue
to add to your volumes of dumb assertions.

Still no answers, eh, Brian...???

Steve, K4YZ

You claim that people's opinions are wrong. Keep knocking yourself
out.

No...

Yes, you do. It's all archived.

I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over
obligated
is misleading and untrue.

How is my opinion wrong?

I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE example of
some situation where ARES was asked to respond to a situation but
couldn't due to any of the criteria YOU cited.

Phil provided his situation.

YOU claimed that "unlicensed devices play a major role" in
"emergency comms". I've asked your to substantiate THAT claim with
some
sort of valid reference, but you;ve balked at that one, too.

Practically all first responders use cell phones. Cell phones are
often how a person is initially notified that they are in an emergency
period. The military relies on them quite heavily.

You claim, I ask you to validate the claim. You refuse. No
facts
= invalid claim.

If a fact isn't presented then the opinion is wrong? You da man!

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

It really is quite simple to see that you claim people's opinions are
wrong. Then you start the "liar, liar" routine. It's all archived.
Again and again.

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over
obligated
is misleading and untrue.

How is my opinion wrong?

Becasue there's not been ONE SINGLE INSTANCE when ARES or RACES
has EVER refused or been unable to fulfill it's promised duties for any
reason YOU have suggested...Nor has there ever been ANY reason they've
refused, period.

I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE example
of
some situation where ARES was asked to respond to a situation but
couldn't due to any of the criteria YOU cited.

Phil provided his situation.

Phil's situation has been covered. HE provided that.

YOU claimed that "unlicensed devices play a major role" in
"emergency comms". I've asked your to substantiate THAT claim with
some
sort of valid reference, but you;ve balked at that one, too.

Practically all first responders use cell phones. Cell phones are
often how a person is initially notified that they are in an
emergency
period. The military relies on them quite heavily.

Cellphones are NOT unlicensed devices. YOU do not have to have a
licnese for it, but the entire cellphone net operates under various FCC
licenses. See "Common Carrier".

Also, when you first made your assertion, I asked you if you meant
Part 15, Part 95, etc, and you said "Yes, of course". So...Still
waiting.

You claim, I ask you to validate the claim. You refuse. No
facts
= invalid claim.

If a fact isn't presented then the opinion is wrong? You da man!

"I believe that ARES will not be able to respond to future
emergencies due to the greying demographic" is an opinion.

"ARES is dependent upon graying old men who can't respond to
emergencies" is an assertion.

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

It really is quite simple to see that you claim people's opinions are
wrong. Then you start the "liar, liar" routine. It's all archived.
Again and again.

And you still have not come completely clean.

You made "statements of fact" that were nothing BUT opinion.

You continue to refuse to validate your assertions unless you are
NOW stating that all they were WAS opinion, and nothing BUT opinion.

However it's taken you MONTHS to get out from under that rock,
which leads me to believe that this is your only perceived avenuse of
escape from your own silly mistakes and unsubstantiated rantings.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over
obligated
is misleading and untrue.

How is my opinion wrong?

Becasue there's not been ONE SINGLE INSTANCE when ARES or RACES
has EVER refused or been unable to fulfill it's promised duties for
any
reason YOU have suggested...Nor has there ever been ANY reason
they've
refused, period.

Kindly show where I've said they've refused anything, you idiot.

I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE example
of
some situation where ARES was asked to respond to a situation but
couldn't due to any of the criteria YOU cited.

Phil provided his situation.

Phil's situation has been covered. HE provided that.

He indicated that there was a deficit in the # of volunteers.

YOU claimed that "unlicensed devices play a major role" in
"emergency comms". I've asked your to substantiate THAT claim
with
some
sort of valid reference, but you;ve balked at that one, too.

Practically all first responders use cell phones. Cell phones are
often how a person is initially notified that they are in an
emergency
period. The military relies on them quite heavily.

Cellphones are NOT unlicensed devices. YOU do not have to have a
licnese for it, but the entire cellphone net operates under various
FCC
licenses. See "Common Carrier".

Also, when you first made your assertion, I asked you if you
meant
Part 15, Part 95, etc, and you said "Yes, of course". So...Still
waiting.

Wait away.

You claim, I ask you to validate the claim. You refuse. No
facts
= invalid claim.

If a fact isn't presented then the opinion is wrong? You da man!

"I believe that ARES will not be able to respond to future
emergencies due to the greying demographic" is an opinion.

"ARES is dependent upon graying old men who can't respond to
emergencies" is an assertion.

Are those your opinions?

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

It really is quite simple to see that you claim people's opinions
are
wrong. Then you start the "liar, liar" routine. It's all
archived.
Again and again.

And you still have not come completely clean.

You made "statements of fact" that were nothing BUT opinion.

You're the one jumping to conclusions, Steve. You expect everything
that anyone says to be fact verified by Saint Hiram.

You continue to refuse to validate your assertions unless you
are
NOW stating that all they were WAS opinion, and nothing BUT opinion.

And?

However it's taken you MONTHS to get out from under that rock,
which leads me to believe that this is your only perceived avenuse of
escape from your own silly mistakes and unsubstantiated rantings.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, you're so full yourself. You make yourself into fool every time
you start jumping up and down demanding proof and facts anytime
something you don't like comes up. Too bad no one is taking you
seriously, especially me. You make up stuff and keep making up stuff
so you don't have to apologize for being such an ass.

sayonara, bb

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over
obligated
is misleading and untrue.

How is my opinion wrong?

Becasue there's not been ONE SINGLE INSTANCE when ARES or
RACES
has EVER refused or been unable to fulfill it's promised duties for
any
reason YOU have suggested...Nor has there ever been ANY reason
they've
refused, period.

Kindly show where I've said they've refused anything, you idiot.

I'm not the idiot here, Brian. You are.

You were the one who started this off by insisting that ARES did
not have adequate human resources to fulfil their "duties".

All I have asked YOU is to show some evidence of YOUR examples of
having ever been even remotely plausable or having happened in fact.

Especially today, after literally hundreds of thousands of dollars
have been poured into ARES from Homeland Defense resources to provide
an even more comptetent operator.

I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE
example
of
some situation where ARES was asked to respond to a situation
but
couldn't due to any of the criteria YOU cited.

Phil provided his situation.

Phil's situation has been covered. HE provided that.

He indicated that there was a deficit in the # of volunteers.

There was just a deficit in the way they were assigned.

YOU claimed that "unlicensed devices play a major role" in
"emergency comms". I've asked your to substantiate THAT claim
with
some
sort of valid reference, but you;ve balked at that one, too.

Practically all first responders use cell phones. Cell phones
are
often how a person is initially notified that they are in an
emergency
period. The military relies on them quite heavily.

Cellphones are NOT unlicensed devices. YOU do not have to have
a
licnese for it, but the entire cellphone net operates under various
FCC
licenses. See "Common Carrier".

Also, when you first made your assertion, I asked you if you
meant
Part 15, Part 95, etc, and you said "Yes, of course". So...Still
waiting.

Wait away.

Just about exactly what I'd expect from a coward, Brian. Thanks
for not disappointing me.

You claim, I ask you to validate the claim. You refuse.
No
facts
= invalid claim.

If a fact isn't presented then the opinion is wrong? You da man!

"I believe that ARES will not be able to respond to future
emergencies due to the greying demographic" is an opinion.

"ARES is dependent upon graying old men who can't respond to
emergencies" is an assertion.

Are those your opinions?

Nice try. No, they are not.

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

It really is quite simple to see that you claim people's opinions
are
wrong. Then you start the "liar, liar" routine. It's all
archived.
Again and again.

And you still have not come completely clean.

You made "statements of fact" that were nothing BUT opinion.

You're the one jumping to conclusions, Steve. You expect everything
that anyone says to be fact verified by Saint Hiram.

Nice fall-back to Lennie's rhetoric, Brian. Failing to stay
aheqad on your own you had to "run hom to Mama".

I made no "conclusions". I HAVE been asking YOU to substantiate
claims and assertions YOU have made that they may be better understood.
All you do is dodge, deceive and try to blow it off by calling me
"nuts" for having dared to challenge you on YOUR claims.

Now you're angry because I won't let go and am backing you into a
corner to answer your own claims. Shudd've either ante'd up some
answers or just said something to the tune of "That was just my
opinion...I really don't have any facts to substantiate it..."

That I could live with as an honest answer. Instead, you've
treated us to months and months of deception and avoidance.

You continue to refuse to validate your assertions unless you
are
NOW stating that all they were WAS opinion, and nothing BUT
opinion.

And?

"And" nothing, Brian...Is that all your "unlicensed devices",
"ARES", and other statements were? Unsubstantiated opinion? A simple
yes or no will clear the whole thing up.

However it's taken you MONTHS to get out from under that rock,
which leads me to believe that this is your only perceived avenuse
of
escape from your own silly mistakes and unsubstantiated rantings.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, you're so full yourself. You make yourself into fool every
time
you start jumping up and down demanding proof and facts anytime
something you don't like comes up. Too bad no one is taking you
seriously, especially me. You make up stuff and keep making up stuff
so you don't have to apologize for being such an ass.

Hardly, Brian.

You make assertions of fact. I ask you for facts to back the
assertions up. Then you claim I am "nuts" for having asked you what
the truth is.

If you'd take no other lesson from all of this than to learn the
difference between an "assertion", "Statement as fact" and how to
express an idea as an opinion, you'd have a far less tumultuous
newsgroup experience.

sayonara, bb

Oh...?!?! You speak Japanese now? Gee...Your mentor seems to
always want to try and "ding" me for calling him a "putz" due to his
expectation that I don't speak Hebrew. Please...Tell us all about your
experiences in Japan and your fluency in Kanjii.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "bb" on Mon,Apr 11 2005 7:55 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I claim that your assertion that ARES is "dependent" on aging
men who can't/won't respond due to age/infirmity or are over
obligated
is misleading and untrue.

How is my opinion wrong?

Becasue there's not been ONE SINGLE INSTANCE when ARES or RACES
has EVER refused or been unable to fulfill it's promised duties for
any
reason YOU have suggested...Nor has there ever been ANY reason
they've
refused, period.

Kindly show where I've said they've refused anything, you idiot.

Having to "show" everything is one of Stebie's ploys.

What he is really saying is that you are WRONG
if and only if you oppose HIM. :-)

Stebie is a BIG player in ARES and RACES, must have
been in many more than seven of those "actions." Not
only that, as a TN CAP "ace", he knows ALL about
DSP because he operated an Icom HT while in that
"service!"

bring up audio from grammaphone in the corner
playing the Murine's Him...

in background on rear screen, scene of service members
engaged in close order Dill, Dill instructors chewing out
those who were unworthy of the corpse



I've asked you SEVERAL TIMES now to show me JUST ONE
example

Tsk. Stebie has been told a million times not
to exaggerate! :-)


Practically all first responders use cell phones. Cell phones are
often how a person is initially notified that they are in an
emergency
period. The military relies on them quite heavily.

Cellphones are NOT unlicensed devices. YOU do not have to have
a
licnese for it, but the entire cellphone net operates under various
FCC
licenses. See "Common Carrier".

Tsk. I thought Stebie would go into some harangue about
LICENSES!!! :-)

One can't OPERATE a DEVICE without a LICENSE! etc.

Stebie is all mixed up about "devices" and "nets" and
"licenses." Tsk. Out of the amateur community he
can't talk the talk, has to use poor analogues from
his "ham experience." :-)

Roughly speaking, there's about 100 MILLION cell
phone subscriptions in the U.S. of A. today. That's
like one in three citizens having one. Stebie might
think the VEC ought to "examine" each and every one
of those 100 MILLION cell service subscriptions? :-)

Also, when you first made your assertion, I asked you if you
meant
Part 15, Part 95, etc, and you said "Yes, of course". So...Still
waiting.

Wait away.

Tsk. Barracks Lawyer Stebie doesn't know moot court
is in recess. :-)

Stebie has years on the bench. He was once admitted
to a bar. Thinks that makes him a Barracks Lawyer.
Tsk. He isn't even a master debater. :-)



"I believe that ARES will not be able to respond to future
emergencies due to the greying demographic" is an opinion.

"ARES is dependent upon graying old men who can't respond to
emergencies" is an assertion.

Are those your opinions?

Tsk. The master debater is yanking off again. :-)

Stebieworld is rife with tales of glory and heroism
in the face of danger... :-)


You made "statements of fact" that were nothing BUT opinion.

You're the one jumping to conclusions, Steve. You expect everything
that anyone says to be fact verified by Saint Hiram.

In Stebieworld he meets with H.P.M. every day to
Get Da Word from Da Man!

If you no agree with Stebie, you are WRONG, you
are a PUTZ, you will live in infamy, and not be
allowed EVER to associate with the Elitist Extras!



Steve, you're so full yourself. You make yourself into fool every
time
you start jumping up and down demanding proof and facts anytime
something you don't like comes up. Too bad no one is taking you
seriously, especially me. You make up stuff and keep making up stuff
so you don't have to apologize for being such an ass.

sayonara, bb

Stebie is a Master Debater...by his own definitions,
not that of rational human beings. Stebie MUST have
CONTROL, MUST be in COMMAND, CANNOT tolerate ANY
back-talk, and absolutely poselutely forevermore
HAVE THE LAST WORD in everything. It's the MURINE
WAY!!!

grammophone in the corner up very loud on the
bars of "from the halls of monty pye-athon to the
shores of Tivoli..."

Absolutely fascinating stuff. Stebie is so hot and
heavy into "his" arguments that it's like an on-line
field trip into the psych wards of an institution.
Problem is that he ain't an MD shrink but one of the
committed ones...weird-ass role-reversal thing!

Ham radio it ain't. Not even close to "policy."
It's like if Kraft-Ebbing had a collection of hobby
deviants bound into a book, not about sex but of
morsemanship gone awry.

It's a wonder that ANYONE gets an "interest" in
ham radio from Stebie's outpourings...da ultimate
murine DILL instructor (pursed lips of disgust at
all the "maggots" around him needing to be swatted
by his swagger stick...except his "stick" is a shortie).

"For the corpse, God, and country." In that order.
Temper fry.

Brian, let's wait and see what the Master Debater
yanks off on later...:-)