Ooops, here is the link to Melbourne's Ch 31 Uni TV (most VK capital cities
have Ch 31)

http://www.channel31.org.au/

"Ashley VK3HAG" wrote in message
...
If N9OGL is only expressing his opinions, without actually offering a true
'bulletin service' (ie amateur news for all hams about ham activities,
then
I'm sure the FCC would rule -as would & have our ACA-then they would deem
his broadcasts not be 'bulletins' but interference to others)

Whilst an amateur bulletin can contain opinions about articles, it must
also
include amateur news information, though most good amateur news bulletins
steer clear of 'opinions' and leave the 'opinions' section to those on
frequency after the broadcast, and any decent broadcaster would simply
listen in, not comment at all, in order to glean info about his audiences
opinion and what they have come or would expect from said bulletin.

Ever heard Bill Pasternack state what his opinion was on something on his
bulletin, I haven't. He simply reports amateur radio facts he has found,
but
I'm bet If i met him person to person (unlikely given I'm an Aussie) he
would, but not on his bulletin...he let's hams form their own opinions
about
what he has provided, the hallmark of good journalism...and I must say,
the
amateur bulletins of even the ARRL's bulletins, to some extent, contain a
much higher standard of true journalism (reporting facts as recorded, not
individual opinions..leaving opinions to be formed and debated by us the
amateur on the air.. on here etc)

Same with AR Newsline, W?ITF reports info he has found and tells you about
it. He doesn't come on and say "The IRLP Contest..which I think sucks gets
under way this week" but rather "The IRLP Contest gets under way this
week"
and leaves you to decide whether the IRLP contest is a good or bad idea
etc.

And here, down under, our WIA's news always closes with "This is VK4BB
saying, until next week...Walk softly...we report it..you decide"

What is N9OGL trying to do...create his own FOX News (ie give only the
'party'-his-line, rather than both sides of story..of which there always
is)

Hence the reason, I quit working for Rupert...he sucks. (and I could go to
another paper, but he owns them all here..apart from some rural ones..but
he's swallowing them up too...so what Australia gets, via radio, tv and
print is mostly Rupert's opinion

I've spent this arvo putting together a 'cut & paste' (as well as my own
work) of a 1/2 hour bulletin just for you N9OGL.

PS. Transmitting for 5 hours for amateur is ridiculous, what you want
N9OGL
is a nice, tight and structured approx. 1/2 hour bulletin every week based
on a format of some sort.

Eg.

11am: Open with "I'm Skippy, W9OGL and your tuned to [frequency] on your
[mode] dial and this is "Amateur News Today"
1101: Quickly list all items on today's bulletin. "Coming up today we look
at the IRLP Contest, Changes to VK amateur regulations,"
1102: Re-introduce (the 'enforcement') repeat 11am, and add at the end
"With
USA Amateur News"
1105: USA Amateur News
1115: International Amateur News
1130: Contests and other items of interest to hams
1135: Close

And lastly, ever notice N9OGL, how even when, say FOX journalists are
offering thier opinions it is very cleverly purported as 'news', not
opinion, otherwise, if people thought it was simply an opinion of one,
they
wouldn't listen, whereas, if it comes across as news, more people tend to
believe that opinion as factual news.

Or perhaps, N9OGL, you are just the 'journalist' that FOX is looking for


The definition of amateur broadcasting is "bulletins" not "opinions".
Opinions are formed in debate with others outside the newscast, not within
it, unless stated that it is an "Opinion" piece, hence the reason we have
'columinsts', so people are made aware it's thier opinion, not the news as
such.

Yes, I too have made mistakes in the past and even flamed people I
shouldn't
have and acted in an inappropriate way on aus.xxx newsgroups. But I had
the
balls to accept my errors, apologised-in person-to the people I had
treated
unfairly and moved on.......(now we all get on fine on aus.xx newsgroups)

As Murphy said "Don't argue with fools..people mightn't know the
difference"
(a lesson I too had to learn)

And for those interested in how Community Television "Public Access" works
down under..here is the link....

So instead of carrying on about the FCC N9OGL, perhaps you have been
fighting the wrong battle. Why not try and have a College set-up and
control
a "Public Access" channel, that's easy, just cut & paste the Aussie model
and fight for that. 1. You'd have more chance of getting somewhere and 2.
You would be doing something that really does benifit the community.

I'll relay my first bulletin to N9OGL's home town (any hams who can help
with a HF or IRLP link?) and show N9OGL how a news bulletin is put
together?

My qualifications for speaking on this matter a

As for my experience in this field, I started out in Year 10 (16yo) doing
Work Experience for the local rag (DV News), and when I got there on
Monday
was sent to make coffee, and was told that's what I'd be doing for the
fortnight (no suprises here). But by mid-afternoon, the journalist I was
assigned to was that impressed, she spoke to the boss, got me a HWT Style
Book (mentioned last post) and I was taken off the coffee and sent into
the
field, at 16, on Work Experience to report. My first interview was with a
state Premier, something some 50yo journos are yet to do.

I never went back to school full-time, and the report on my Work
Experience
that was sent to my school says, and I quote "Best Work Experience student
this company has ever had, has a great future in journalism." (My
standards
of spelling and grammar etc were better than some of the journos they were
emplyiong at the time..who didn't like me much at all, but saw me as the
'smart arse 16yo bloke who knows everything' (In reality, I know nothing,
as
do us all..or we don't take in new ideas, concepts, etc)

No, I am not a Uni qualified journalist, but in the world of journalism,
those that do it my way are much more respected for having 'done the
yards'
so to speak and I can pick a uni-journo written article from a x-cadets
one
easy as..can you?

PS. I don't use OE's spell-checker, I like to read and correct my own
mistakes, so please point out any bad grammar or spelling, as I always
should be able to self-edit, without the need for a spell-checker. Also
notice that I refrain from profanity (when I'd love to use a few choice
words) unless it has some contextual meaning to my writing, otherwise it's
effect on the reader is lost.

Cheers & Beers from VK, "Hoo Roo"

VK3HAG

Goto go QSO to do

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Ashley VK3HAG wrote:

(With Some Snippage to Pertinent Replies

N9OGL,

Copyright doesn't apply to "educational, discussions, ng posts etc"
(It
applies only to websites, magazines, music, broadcasts etc) so
therefore
IMHO any court in any democratic society would rule anything on a
newsgroup,
to be public domain.

Toiddie doesn't care what courts or governmental agencies do.
They're all "against him without any reason" anyway...! ! !

Whilst I sought permission from ARNewsline to re-transmit ARNewsLine
on UHF
CB in Melbourne out of courtesy, Mr Pasternack said he appreciated
the
courtesy, yet I could have started re-transmitting it without his
permission...(SNIP)

Bill's a fine fellow.

He read an item I wrote on line and asked to re-print it in
"Worldradio". I told him yes, of course. About 2 months later I got a
check from him for the use! I sent it back. It was free in the first
place...Nothing had changed, but I sure appreciated the offer.

Instead of wasting your time, effort & money on a pirate TV station,
fighting the FCC (our ACA isn't much better btw) why not volunteer
your time
and expertise to the local community radio and television stations as
I do?
Not only could you broadcast what you want, you could help save the
community station thousands of dollars by carrying out free
maintained and
repairs. I leave my broadcasting to broadcast services and amateur
to
amateur.

You miss the point, Ashley...This is ONLY about Toiddie being able
to express his own opinions as forcibly and frequently as he can. It's
got NOTHING to do with the business of operating a station or promoting
the arts.

And two questions for US ppl on he 1) Why does the cable channel
control
community television?

What we call "community television" or "public access" is so local
promoters, presenters, etc can "get on the air" without having to spend
all the cash to build thier own station.

Thankfully ours is controlled and owned by uni students Stduent Union
(your
college?) who really couldn't give a hoot what's on there.
(Pole dancing, sex, whatever, and even though broadcasting rules are
breached every minute on Ch 31, because no one complains-no one is
watching-it continues daily)


The local cable company has the studios, the cameras, processing
gear, etc, and it can be rented to the "user" ready-to-go.

You should also note, that NOT swearing is more effective THAN
swearing.
Example: you start your show tonight and include lot's of 'hells'
'dams'
'****' etc, and people watch. Ten years down the track same thing.
But, if
you didn't swear for ten years at all, then one day came on air and
said
"This is bull****" it would be 200% more effective.

Toiddie doesn't have anything to say unless he connects it with
profanity.

I, too will be starting an on-air news bulletin, two in fact. One on
the
local community station, about amateur radio and a brief amateur
bulletin
for amateurs only who can call in to the studio (when I'm there) via
amateur
radio and go 'on air' with thier thoughts to help promote AR (instead
of
using the phone). This won't happen until I have co-ordinated a
frequency to
use with the local amateur club. Perhaps, N9OGL I could send/show you
the
correct way to format/run a newscast of any description.

P L E A S E send him the help anyway, Ashley! L O T S of it,
too!

N9OGL, if you have an Echo or IRLP node nearby would you like me to
connect
to it and give a demonstration on this. No point having a broadcast
of any
description until you have the fundamentals in place-grammar,
pronunciation,
spelling, don't bother, it's hard enough to capture a (any) audience
with
these traits.

We've tried to tell him...

The sad part is he's about to "graduate" from a "local" community
"college", yet his grammar and vocabulary, well..suck! I used to
(blindly) think that American education was above and beyond just about
anything else out there...To my chagrin Toiddie proved me wrong.

73

Steve, K4YZ