From: on May 17, 12:20 pm

Chad Wahls wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign,
where
these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call
sign in
there?

What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the
ID.

Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on
TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-)

When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie?
At what time? How long before the NBC TV network
feed?

You've been there, right? Waiting in line along
Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have
"insider information" again? :-)

FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes
if
the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes
long.

Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely
careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations!
[they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-)

=======

The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a
journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With
the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the
tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge,
more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with
the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads
and ignorant people.

A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text
messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a
big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the
USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships]

Cell phones were never designed or implemented with
text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the
wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog
cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text
messaging was possible and that was incorporated into
subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form
of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication"
that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear.
That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-)

"Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications
means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling
of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using
radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago.
[most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the
entertainment media and most have never experienced
first-hand any live communications with that...they
know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications]

It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is
faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell
phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show
was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of
"TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more
item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the
audience amused by poking fun at current fads.

Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about
"morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in
that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall
by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was
NEVER intended as a true contest.

For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual
communications means, pit an experienced typist pair
using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair
of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper
or manual typewriters to record received "morse code."
Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show
the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show
the errors made by the morsemen.

Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No.
There's no real Entertainment value except for a very
small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is
less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus
160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't
have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to
win out eventually since their throughput is
sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse
code" means.

The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in
actual practice and found "morse code" to be the
LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on
"morse code" for communications. The die-hard
fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code"
as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in
the fantasy and mythology of olden times.

That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's
over. Get a grip. Go home.

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From: on May 17, 12:20 pm

Chad Wahls wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign,
where
these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call
sign in
there?

What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the
ID.

Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on
TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-)

When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie?
At what time? How long before the NBC TV network
feed?

You've been there, right? Waiting in line along
Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have
"insider information" again? :-)

FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes
if
the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes
long.

Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely
careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations!
[they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-)

=======

The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a
journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With
the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the
tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge,
more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with
the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads
and ignorant people.

A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text
messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a
big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the
USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships]

Cell phones were never designed or implemented with
text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the
wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog
cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text
messaging was possible and that was incorporated into
subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form
of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication"
that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear.
That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-)

"Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications
means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling
of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using
radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago.
[most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the
entertainment media and most have never experienced
first-hand any live communications with that...they
know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications]

It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is
faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell
phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show
was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of
"TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more
item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the
audience amused by poking fun at current fads.

Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about
"morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in
that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall
by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was
NEVER intended as a true contest.

For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual
communications means, pit an experienced typist pair
using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair
of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper
or manual typewriters to record received "morse code."
Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show
the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show
the errors made by the morsemen.

Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No.
There's no real Entertainment value except for a very
small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is
less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus
160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't
have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to
win out eventually since their throughput is
sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse
code" means.

The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in
actual practice and found "morse code" to be the
LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on
"morse code" for communications. The die-hard
fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code"
as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in
the fantasy and mythology of olden times.

That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's
over. Get a grip. Go home.



Blah Blah

THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology

"Jim Hampton" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
"Jim Hampton" wrote:
Hi gang!

Just for some grins, check this out:
http://www.lildobe.net/video/

It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth
remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records.
It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands
I listened to about 37 years ago ....

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Hello Jim.

Is CW considered a binary of sorts?

Are you enjoying your new internet pipe?

Hello, Mopar

Some call it binary, but the fact that there are both short and long
characters as well as short and long spaces (spacing between characters
is shorter than spacing between words) leads me to not consider it
"binary". When I wrote a Morse code decoder, I was using a base 3 system
to decode it. At least if I recall correctly. I still have the source
code but haven't looked at it for about a decade.

Too much info you CW machine you! I've heard it wasn't intended as
a binary but it's not totally unlike one.

I am *loving* this new pipe! I booted the computer, the wave file played
as Windows started up, I hadn't clicked on Explorer, I bent over to pick
up a magazine, and when I looked at the computer, the anti-virus had
already downloaded and installed the update! )

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in
my old age. Rock-on.

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
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ups.com...
From: on May 17, 12:20 pm

Chad Wahls wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign,
where
these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call
sign in
there?

What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the
ID.

Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on
TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-)

When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie?
At what time? How long before the NBC TV network
feed?

You've been there, right? Waiting in line along
Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have
"insider information" again? :-)

FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes
if
the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes
long.

Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely
careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations!
[they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-)

=======

The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a
journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With
the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the
tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge,
more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with
the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads
and ignorant people.

A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text
messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a
big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the
USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships]

Cell phones were never designed or implemented with
text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the
wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog
cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text
messaging was possible and that was incorporated into
subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form
of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication"
that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear.
That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-)

"Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications
means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling
of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using
radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago.
[most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the
entertainment media and most have never experienced
first-hand any live communications with that...they
know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications]

It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is
faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell
phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show
was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of
"TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more
item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the
audience amused by poking fun at current fads.

Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about
"morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in
that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall
by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was
NEVER intended as a true contest.

For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual
communications means, pit an experienced typist pair
using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair
of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper
or manual typewriters to record received "morse code."
Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show
the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show
the errors made by the morsemen.

Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No.
There's no real Entertainment value except for a very
small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is
less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus
160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't
have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to
win out eventually since their throughput is
sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse
code" means.

The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in
actual practice and found "morse code" to be the
LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on
"morse code" for communications. The die-hard
fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code"
as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in
the fantasy and mythology of olden times.

That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's
over. Get a grip. Go home.



Blah Blah

THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology

Just bagged SV8/DF7XE/P on 20! Won't find Macedonia popping in on your cell
phone very often, not to mention the associated thrill of the catch.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384/CC #1736
QRP ARCI #11782

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From: on May 17, 12:20 pm

Chad Wahls wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!

[big snip]

That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's
over. Get a grip. Go home.



Blah Blah

THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology

Just bagged SV8/DF7XE/P on 20! Won't find Macedonia popping in on your
cell phone very often, not to mention the associated thrill of the catch.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384/CC #1736
QRP ARCI #11782

Yeah know what you mean Bert. Last month I got Oman on 20m CW. How sweet
it is!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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over. Get a grip. Go home.



Blah Blah

THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology

Ayup. But you're wasting the bandwidth by even responding to his
bafflegab, it's his "condition" in play you see. Pore 'ole thing.

w3rv

On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote:

I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in
my old age. Rock-on.


Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband
video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is
today.


Dave
"Sandbagger"

Dave Hall wrote:
On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote:

I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in
my old age. Rock-on.

Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband
video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is
today.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Yea it will probably be part of my wrist watch, and a keyboard will be
a thing of the past..

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:
On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote:

I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in
my old age. Rock-on.

Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband
video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is
today.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Yea it will probably be part of my wrist watch, and a keyboard will be
a thing of the past..


I always wanted a real Dick Tracy 2 way wrist tv. It is close ...

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Poor Len, just can't keep on subject.

Dan/W4NTI

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From: on May 17, 12:20 pm

Chad Wahls wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign,
where
these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call
sign in
there?

What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the
ID.

Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on
TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-)

When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie?
At what time? How long before the NBC TV network
feed?

You've been there, right? Waiting in line along
Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have
"insider information" again? :-)

FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes
if
the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes
long.

Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely
careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations!
[they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-)

=======

The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a
journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With
the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the
tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge,
more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with
the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads
and ignorant people.

A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text
messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a
big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the
USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships]

Cell phones were never designed or implemented with
text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the
wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog
cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text
messaging was possible and that was incorporated into
subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form
of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication"
that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear.
That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-)

"Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications
means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling
of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using
radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago.
[most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the
entertainment media and most have never experienced
first-hand any live communications with that...they
know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications]

It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is
faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell
phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show
was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of
"TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more
item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the
audience amused by poking fun at current fads.

Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about
"morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in
that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall
by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was
NEVER intended as a true contest.

For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual
communications means, pit an experienced typist pair
using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair
of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper
or manual typewriters to record received "morse code."
Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show
the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show
the errors made by the morsemen.

Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No.
There's no real Entertainment value except for a very
small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is
less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus
160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't
have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to
win out eventually since their throughput is
sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse
code" means.

The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in
actual practice and found "morse code" to be the
LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on
"morse code" for communications. The die-hard
fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code"
as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in
the fantasy and mythology of olden times.

That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's
over. Get a grip. Go home.