The number of hams--worldwide, is fewer in number than the number of illegal
aliens in California... they have already done it--their alzheimers may just
be too advanced for them to realize it...

Warmest regards,
John

"bb" wrote in message
ups.com...

John Smith wrote:
It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom...
just so
others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe
to
grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are
gone
to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to
return...
however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead...

Regards,
John

If it can't be the ham radio that they knew in their youth, they do
want it destroyed, gone, dead. Several have made such claims.

John Smith wrote:

... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been
as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could
study for a day and pass the most challenging

I think you need to go back and look at the early exams. There was a
time when an applicant was required to actually draw a schematic of
various circuits and explaine how they worked. And even after the exams
became multiple choice type, one had to know the material to get the
correct answer as the answers to the acutal questions were not
available. There were study guides with sample questions, but no
questions pools with the exact answer available for memorization. If you
did not know the theory, then you probably weren't going to pass.
Again john smith knows not of what he speaks.

Nice try, John

In the original post I stated "just for grins".

As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid
punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when
the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out
what my change was. She had to call a manager!

I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active
in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a
week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my
Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains.
Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are
two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains!

I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power
stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity
test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high
power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away.

What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot
over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there.

As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect
that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test
ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as
well ....

Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the
underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*.
This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater
which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft
guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more.
Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came
about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic
lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there
might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally,
there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world,
total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed,
there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean
everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300
gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many
times since.

At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have
another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way.

Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on
the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like
my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It
is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned
up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning.
Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should
this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3
cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on
the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I
hope they enjoy my tunes:

1) Washington Post March
2) Anchors aweigh
3) The Thunderer
4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite)

I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a
feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden )


With all due regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so
others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to
grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone
to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return...
however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead...

Regards,
John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


Just for some grins, check this out:
http://www.lildobe.net/video/

It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth
remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It
sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I
listened
to about 37 years ago ....

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"K4YZ" wrote


I guess the fact that the Morse guys did it faster and with 100%
accuracy doesn't account for anything, eh?


Doesn't account for much!

It's kind of like a speed contest between a turtle and a snail --- mildly
interesting, but inconsequential when comparing them to the speed of a
cheetah.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB





Hello, Hans

Very true. One interesting thing of note - text messaging I'd consider
similar to cw in one thing - it may be fun, but not highly useful. If one
needs to send a lot of text, a computer and the Internet just might be
considerably faster (assuming one can touch type at a reasonable rate). Via
radio, there are digital modes, of course, and text can be reliably sent
much faster with many of the digital modes (even the very dated RTTY).

I have to chuckle at the length of this thread; I thought it an interesting
link and figured there would be a couple of cw detractors that would answer,
but the thread turned out a bit longer than I figured. I keep forgetting
how heated the cw vs no cw arguement can get.

I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I
probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can
vertical

Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:


I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and ....
well, I
probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can
vertical


Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M,
but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football
field of a local High School.

Anyhow, Happy Birthday!

73, de Hans, K0HB

You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio
dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when
dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and
gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to
learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however,
because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after
they realize the need...

.... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been
as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could
study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even
simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so--

.... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of
communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are
so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive
with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets
and not improve that...

.... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed
ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and
watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their
mental facilities about them and still allowed it...

Warmest regards,
John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Nice try, John

In the original post I stated "just for grins".

As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid
punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day
when
the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out
what my change was. She had to call a manager!

I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active
in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for
a
week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my
Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains.
Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are
two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains!

I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power
stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity
test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to
high
power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away.

What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot
over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there.

As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect
that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test
ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license
as
well ....

Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but
the
underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for
*everyone*.
This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a
repeater
which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft
guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more.
Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came
about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic
lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there
might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally,
there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the
world,
total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed,
there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean
everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300
gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed
many
times since.

At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have
another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way.

Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on
the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like
my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It
is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned
up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning.
Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share
should
this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the
mp3
cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on
the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I
hope they enjoy my tunes:

1) Washington Post March
2) Anchors aweigh
3) The Thunderer
4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite)

I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a
feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden )


With all due regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just
so
others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to
grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are
gone
to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return...
however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead...

Regards,
John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hi gang!


Just for some grins, check this out:
http://www.lildobe.net/video/

It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth
remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It
sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I
listened
to about 37 years ago ....

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hampton"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.cb
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:30 PM
Subject: Just for grins - CW


Nice try, John

In the original post I stated "just for grins".

As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid
punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day
when
the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out
what my change was. She had to call a manager!

OMG, she couldn't count backwards? This is what the
future has to look forward too.


I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active
in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for
a
week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my
Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains.
Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are
two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains!

I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power
stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity
test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to
high
power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away.

No test for people in life, you & I both know that


What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot
over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there.

As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect
that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test
ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license
as
well ....

Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but
the
underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for
*everyone*.
This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a
repeater
which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft
guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more.
Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came
about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic
lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there
might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally,
there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the
world,
total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed,
there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean
everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300
gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed
many
times since.

At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have
another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way.

Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on
the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like
my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It
is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned
up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning.
Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share
should
this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the
mp3
cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on
the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I
hope they enjoy my tunes:

LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy


1) Washington Post March
2) Anchors aweigh
3) The Thunderer
4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite)

I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a
feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden )


With all due regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim.

Landshark


--
Some of them are living an illusion
Bounded by the darkness of their minds,
In their eyes it's nation against nation,
With racial pride, sad hearts they hide,
Thinking only of themselves,
They shun the light,
They think they're right
Living in the empty shells.

Jim Hampton wrote:
"K=D8HB" wrote in message
nk.net...
One interesting thing of note - text messaging I'd consider
similar to cw in one thing - it may be fun, but not highly
useful.

I disagree!

They're both highly useful. Just in different ways.

If one
needs to send a lot of text, a computer and the Internet just
might be
considerably faster (assuming one can touch type at a
reasonable rate).

Of course! But then you need a readout device.

Usefulness depends on the application.

Via
radio, there are digital modes, of course, and text can be
reliably sent
much faster with many of the digital modes (even the very dated
RTTY).

Sure - if someone has the equipment handy.

But the whole digital-mode-faster thing is kind of bogus in my view.
It's like saying that since we have cars, there's no reason to have
competitions where people run anymore. Heck, why doesn't everyone in
the Olympic marathon use rollerblades? The times would drop
dramatically.


I have to chuckle at the length of this thread; I thought it
an interesting
link and figured there would be a couple of cw detractors that
would answer,
but the thread turned out a bit longer than I figured. I keep
forgetting
how heated the cw vs no cw arguement can get.

The telling part is that the anticode folks call the test "rigged"
and other nonsense in an attempt to discredit what happened. But
the plain simple fact is that a couple of good Morse Code
operators, going about 1/3 the world-record speed, were faster
than the *world record holders* in text messaging.

What they missed is that the whole point of the segment was to
show that "newer" isn't always "faster/better/easier" and that
"older" doesn't equal "useless". The outfits on the two teams
were a visual way of adding to that.

One member of the Morse Code team was reportedly at Dayton
in his telegrapher outfit.

I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday
and .... well, I
probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave
beer can vertical

Hope it was happy. Trouble is they put beer in aluminum cans now...

"Jim Hampton" wrote:
I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well,
I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can
vertical

Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is
that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:

John Smith wrote:

... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have
been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test
taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging


I think you need to go back and look at the early exams. There was a
time when an applicant was required to actually draw a schematic of
various circuits and explaine how they worked.

Is that supposed to be hard?


And even after the exams
became multiple choice type, one had to know the material to get the
correct answer as the answers to the acutal questions were not
available.

Yeah. You'll find that question pool bugaboo in a lot of fields these
days, including fields where if a person makes a mistake because of not
knowing the material, lives may be lost.





There were study guides with sample questions, but no
questions pools with the exact answer available for memorization.

Now if you want *really* hard, make it no study guide, no question
pool, and the applicant has to do all the learning research with NO idea
of what is on the test! 8^)

If you
did not know the theory, then you probably weren't going to pass.
Again john smith knows not of what he speaks.

I took the tests from the question pools. For me, they were all pretty
easy. They were not easy because of the question pools. They were easy
because they were fairly basic material.

What I have seen of the earlier test is that they too were pretty
basic. Any difference is not so great that those who came before need
not feel any superiority.


I aced the Technician test with the only study being the safety questions.

I did study a bit for the General.

For the Extra, I spent a week taking the on-line tests. Questions that
I knew the answer to, I got right of course.

Those that I got wrong earned me a trip to the books or online to find
out why I got it wrong. By the time I was finished, I aced the test just
about every time on line, and then in the actual test.

And I knew the material.

Elapsed time, one week.

Now the Morse code was another thing entirely. That was hard.

But then I'm just a dum nickel extra! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -