robert casey wrote:

I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er or no coder as the toad says?


Study the extra written test, bring your oldest license, and
(if you pass it) get your extra. Then you'd be the same
as me.

As for being a "real" ham, do one or more of the following:
Elmering, contesting, building equipment and experimenting,
public service, and such. And NOT QRMing, repeater kerchunking
excessively, ignoring accepted formal or informal band plans,
tuning up on top of other QSOs, bad language, and such.

Best answer yet, Robert!

- Mike KB3EIA -

robert:

You just described a "decent human being", been so long since I seen
one--I forgot what they look like--thanks for reminding me...

Warmest regards,
John

"robert casey" wrote in message
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I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er or no coder as the toad says?

Study the extra written test, bring your oldest license, and
(if you pass it) get your extra. Then you'd be the same
as me.

As for being a "real" ham, do one or more of the following:
Elmering, contesting, building equipment and experimenting,
public service, and such. And NOT QRMing, repeater kerchunking
excessively, ignoring accepted formal or informal band plans,
tuning up on top of other QSOs, bad language, and such.

What makes a person a real ham?

KOHB says
The FCC says this:
=A797.3 Definitions.
(a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur
operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated
licensee database
If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham.

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham"
in the definition.

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.
"Hams" are a subset of the group of Amateur operators. Not all amateur
operators are "hams".

What makes a person a Ham? There are too many characteristics to list.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

They are often older, and male. They like to use the terminology. They
like to discuss ham politics.

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?
Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.
Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question. As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?
Yes, of course.

Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real
ham?
I don't know.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

I answered this question above. You are still a ham if you believe, and
will eventually learn Morse code.

Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?

I don't know.

I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!

How did you know about the vanity license?

What makes a real amateur radio operator is a current and valid station and
operator license issued by the FCC.

What makes a real ham is the ability to kindly and gently assist another
radio operator to understand something about the art and science of
electronics that they do not understand.

Jim




"KC8GXW" wrote in message
...
What makes a person a real ham?

wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

Oh crap....same old rhetoric...I see you haven't changed!

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.

What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?!

"Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie
Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

(Here we go again....)

Who says so, Vipul...?!?! What organization, rule or entity made
this "rule"...?!?! I've asked you this before and you've never
explained yourself.

They are often older, and male.

So...Shall we implement euthansia and castration if a licensee
dares to get older or have the wrong chromosomes...?!?!

They like to use the terminology.

Uhhhhh...yyyeahhhh...It's called "communication"...In order to
effectively express and exchange ideas there has to be some agreed upon
language and terms relating to the intended topic, Vipul.

Please name me ANY sport, science, avocation, passtime or other
human pursuit that DOESN'T have 'terminology', Vipul.

They like to discuss ham politics.

As opposed to roast beef politics...?!?!

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Of course not.

Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?

Yes, this is absolutely required to be accepted as a ham.

Who says? Where is this stated? In what FCC rule or ARRL by-law
is it established? Is it in invisible ink on my FCC Form 660?

Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

Hams share certain beliefs and characteristics.

Baptists share certain beliefs and characteristics. So do
dentists. Police, Fire and EMS personnel have their own beliefs. So
do Hindus, NASCAR drivers and cat lovers.

What was YOUR point?

Without acceptance, one cannot be a "true" ham.

Sure you can.

Lennie doesn't accept ANY of us...Does that mean we don't exist?

Once and for all, Vipul...

There is no one person, group, organization, entity or "belief
system" that dictates what makes a "good ham".

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

Sorry, I do not know or understand the question.

Did you need it in another language? Seemed pretty straight
forward to me.

As for the class of
licence they hold right now, Morse code is required above the
Technician class. Those in the Technician class can still be hams, as
long as they agree with ham beliefs. One of those beliefs, of course,
is that they will eventually learn Morse code.

You keep saying this but you never explain yourself.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

The license is a "give away" - no disputing that.

Sure there is.

To the best of my knowledge no one is "given" a license. Everyone
is required to take one of several written exams. If they opt to
operate on HF, they must take a Morse Code exam.

And despite the fact that the license IS markedly easier to get
these days, people still manage to fail the exams. Ergo it's NOT a
"giveaway"...

How did you know about the vanity license?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh...read about it?

Maybe it was in some of that "terminology" you seem to think is so
bad...

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
What makes a person a real ham?

KOHB says
The FCC says this:
§97.3 Definitions.
(a) (1) Amateur operator. A person named in an amateur
operator/primary station grant on the ULS consolidated
licensee database
If your name is on an unexpired license grant, you're a real ham.

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham"
in the definition.

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.
"Hams" are a subset of the group of Amateur operators. Not all amateur
operators are "hams".

What makes a person a Ham? There are too many characteristics to list.

Hams like antennas, and Morse code. They usually don't like the
technical aspect of the hobby (except for antennas).

They are often older, and male. They like to use the terminology. They
like to discuss ham politics.

There are other characteristics of a ham, which I will not list.

Vipul! ong time no see your print. Howyadoin?


- Mike KB3EIA -

1. Elmers and helps other Hams.
2. Gets involved in Emergency Service and is prepared to assist in an
emergency
3. Promotes international good will by corresponding with foreign hams (on
the air, e-mail, echolink, etc) or hosting
4. Frequents news groups and forums and helps others
5. Supports a local repeater group
6. Monitors a local repeater and helps visitors and locals with their
questions
7. Helps with youth groups and new hams
8. Observes the calling frequencies and band plans useage
9, Communicates in a gentlemanly fashion
10. Is totally cognizant of the technical standards of their station
11. Is a member of the ARRL
12. Writes letters or e-mails regarding laws, BPL, spectrum use, FCC policy
13. Educate the general public on the value of Amateur Radio
14. Avoid public bashing of Amateur Radio

If you do all of these -- you be a real ham
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

Caveat:

Some of that sounds just like the shriners, masons, illuminati and the
local moose lodge here... the rest a ham might do...

Warmest regards,
John

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:gXZne.182$Cr.70@fed1read07...
1. Elmers and helps other Hams.
2. Gets involved in Emergency Service and is prepared to assist in an
emergency
3. Promotes international good will by corresponding with foreign hams
(on the air, e-mail, echolink, etc) or hosting
4. Frequents news groups and forums and helps others
5. Supports a local repeater group
6. Monitors a local repeater and helps visitors and locals with their
questions
7. Helps with youth groups and new hams
8. Observes the calling frequencies and band plans useage
9, Communicates in a gentlemanly fashion
10. Is totally cognizant of the technical standards of their station
11. Is a member of the ARRL
12. Writes letters or e-mails regarding laws, BPL, spectrum use, FCC
policy
13. Educate the general public on the value of Amateur Radio
14. Avoid public bashing of Amateur Radio

If you do all of these -- you be a real ham
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
...
What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
Is it being accepted by certain other hams?
Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?
Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?
Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?
Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?
Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?
I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?
I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!


A good ham is one who strives to follow all rules and regulations pertaining
to amateur radio.
A good ham is one who strives to use good operating practices at all times.
A good ham is one who strives to learn and develop within the hobby.
A good ham is one who strives to help his fellow hams learn and develop
within the hobby.
A good ham is one who strives to give to the community via the use of his
hobby.

Look up the "Amateur's Code". I'm sure there's a copy floating around the
internet somewhere. That pretty well defines a good ham. It doesn't
include anything like code speed, date licensed, license class, types of
test available to take or any of that sort of thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE