Hello, Dan

A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you think
are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call? C'mon! Give us a
break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are mostly, if not entirely, sk.
A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk
for decades. Like about 3 decades.

My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me
WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately, it
took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964.

With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone -
mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of the
states were as far as a WD prefix.

Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign beginning with
WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be certain have been licensed
since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX in 1970, however, when I moved to
Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept that call, it would be 35 years old!
Moving back then might also require a call sign change - along with a
"newbie" type call sign.

When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call sign in
the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure if they would
allow you to grab an old expired call.

Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as to how
long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA and WB type
prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost* guarantee the individual
has been licensed long enough to qualify for the quarter century club. It
won't be long (and may have already happened) that there are some 5 word per
minute folks with a 1X2 call (which means fairly new hams).

I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that a 1X2
or 1X3 call indicates an old timer?

???



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
...
What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One
of
the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of qualified
radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to use Morse
Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus.


Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is a
big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude" and
have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above attitute
holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be treating with
respect. Respect is earned me boy.

Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?

No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious?

If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other
hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those
are
the key words here.

Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real ham?

Don't know the man.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

Sure...see above.

Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?

A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of
course. Thats an old timer.

As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered
calls".
And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you permanetly
moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one
they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.


I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you
would be a Technician. Hi hi.


I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!


Hope that helps a bit.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ...


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:
Hello, Dan

A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you think
are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call? C'mon! Give us a
break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are mostly, if not entirely, sk.
A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk
for decades. Like about 3 decades.

My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me
WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately, it
took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964.

With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone -
mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of the
states were as far as a WD prefix.

Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign beginning with
WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be certain have been licensed
since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX in 1970, however, when I moved to
Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept that call, it would be 35 years old!
Moving back then might also require a call sign change - along with a
"newbie" type call sign.

When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call sign in
the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure if they would
allow you to grab an old expired call.

Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as to how
long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA and WB type
prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost* guarantee the individual
has been licensed long enough to qualify for the quarter century club. It
won't be long (and may have already happened) that there are some 5 word per
minute folks with a 1X2 call (which means fairly new hams).

I know a few with N8*** that are/were 5 wpm and were licensed in 1983 or
earlier, I don't think that would make them fairly new hams. A few more
years and they will qualify for the quarter century club.

I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that a 1X2
or 1X3 call indicates an old timer?

???



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ...


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I wasn't groaning about the thread but about Vipul rejoining the group with
the same old tired rants that he had before. He thinks that hamfests and
ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps
getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Well, I do like the women to at least have all their teeth...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

VIPPY! Your're back!

The definition you quoted says"Amateur Operator". There is no
mention
of the word "ham" in the definition.

GROAN.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I see you got suckered into reading this thread too ...


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I wasn't groaning about the thread but about Vipul rejoining the group
with the same old tired rants that he had before. He thinks that
hamfests and ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy
girls. Since he keeps getting that illusion shattered, he rants and
raves about it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

From: "Dee Flint" on Fri 3 Jun 2005 19:42

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
...

Look up the "Amateur's Code". I'm sure there's a copy floating around the
internet somewhere.

...including the ARRL who first published it well before WW2.

Note especially #2: "The Amateur is Loyal...He offers his
loyalty, encouragement and support for his fellow radio
amateurs, his local club, and to the American Radio Relay
League, through which amateur radio is represented."

It has been in the front of annual ARRL Handbooks in the
1970s and should be on the ARRL website now.

Oh, my, a bit self-serving the League was, wasn't it?

In the 1920s the ARRL had not yet attained their virtual
monopoly on national amateur radio membership organizations
in the USA. The ARRL was striving for being #1 then and
were starting to get ahead through the first of its many
publications. That sort of self-serving "patriotism" was
designed to (subtly) develop League Loyalty then. It's a
GOOD technique for organization survival. It WORKED.

"Through which amateur radio is represented." NOT quite a
full truth. The ARRL is most definitely NOT a true
government representative for the radio amateur. The ARRL
membership is only 1 in 5 of all radio amateur licensees.
EVERY U.S. citizen's TRUE representatives, radio amateur
or not, is their elected government officials and the FCC
itself. All of us have the perfect RIGHT to go direct to
the FCC and voice our own opinions on radio regulatory
matters. There is NO NEED (except by the ARRL itself to
survive) to use the League as an "amateur's representative"
to our government.

The ARRL "represents" ONLY the valid, licensed amateur and
then only 1 in 5. All others can forget any possibility of
"representation" to our government. That's just the way
it is...

Dee Flint wrote:

He thinks that hamfests and
ham radio should be a place where he can pick up sexy girls. Since he keeps
getting that illusion shattered, he rants and raves about it.

Ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhh, Dee! let's get the "terminology" right...

...it's "preeti fems"...

73!

Steve, K4YZ

Len takes yet another leap toward making friends in the Amateur Radio
community...

KC8GXW wrote in
:



Jim Hampton wrote:
Hello, Dan

A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you
think are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call?
C'mon! Give us a break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are
mostly, if not entirely, sk. A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the
end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk for decades. Like about 3 decades.

My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me
WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately,
it took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964.

With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone
- mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of
the states were as far as a WD prefix.

Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign
beginning with WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be
certain have been licensed since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX
in 1970, however, when I moved to Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept
that call, it would be 35 years old! Moving back then might also
require a call sign change - along with a "newbie" type call sign.

When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call
sign in the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure
if they would allow you to grab an old expired call.

Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as
to how long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA
and WB type prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost*
guarantee the individual has been licensed long enough to qualify for
the quarter century club. It won't be long (and may have already
happened) that there are some 5 word per minute folks with a 1X2 call
(which means fairly new hams).

I know a few with N8*** that are/were 5 wpm and were licensed in 1983
or earlier, I don't think that would make them fairly new hams. A few
more years and they will qualify for the quarter century club.

I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that
a 1X2 or 1X3 call indicates an old timer?

???



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




I became eligible for QCWA this year (it goes from January 1st of your 25th
year since getting a ham licence of any class anywhere in the world), but
there's no chapter near here, AFAIK, which makes me less inclined to join.
I was first licenced in the UK (as a no-coder, LOL!) so my US call isn't
indicative of when I was first licenced. I'm not sure exactly when the US
call allocation system was changed, but I understand that it was more than
25 years ago, so there are some original 1x3 'N' calls that would be
eligible for QCWA now. I beleive that someone with an N3C__ call told me it
was issued in 1980.

73 de Alun, G8VUK, N3KIP

Licensed since 29th February 1980

I was referring to the fact that W/K prefix followed by a number then two or
three letters is considered an old timer callsign.

The fact that the FCC has totally screwed that up is not relevant.

Dan/W4NTI

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, Dan

A 1X2 call starting with "W" or "K"? How many of these folks do you think
are around that are *not* in possession of a vanity call? C'mon! Give us
a
break! The original holders of 1X2 calls are mostly, if not entirely, sk.
A dear friend of mine, W2ZS (almost the end of the 1X2 calls) has been sk
for decades. Like about 3 decades.

My original call, issued in 1962, was WN2CJV. That would have made me
WB2CJV had I passed the 13 word per minute code test. Unfortunately, it
took me another year to get to 13 and I obtained WB2OSP in 1964.

With the issuance of vanity call signs, most of the 1X3 calls are gone -
mostly vanity call signs. Depending upon the call district, some of the
states were as far as a WD prefix.

Since I doubt many folks would spend money to get a call sign beginning
with
WA, WB, etc., those are the folks that you can be certain have been
licensed
since the early 60s. I did obtain WA3RJX in 1970, however, when I moved
to
Pennsylvania. Still, had I kept that call, it would be 35 years old!
Moving back then might also require a call sign change - along with a
"newbie" type call sign.

When the FCC allowed extra class licensees to choose their own call sign
in
the early 70s, I obtained N2JH. At that point, I'm not sure if they would
allow you to grab an old expired call.

Once the gates were opened for vanity call signs, all bets are off as to
how
long an amateur has been licensed. My bet would be that the WA and WB
type
prefixes would be the only ones that would *almost* guarantee the
individual
has been licensed long enough to qualify for the quarter century club. It
won't be long (and may have already happened) that there are some 5 word
per
minute folks with a 1X2 call (which means fairly new hams).

I have to ask what the heck you were thinking with your response that a
1X2
or 1X3 call indicates an old timer?

???



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

"KC8GXW" wrote in message
...
What makes a person a real ham?
Is it doing more then 5 wpm code?
A "Real Ham" is proficient in all forms and modes of communications. One
of
the primary purposes of Amateur Radio is to provide a pool of qualified
radio operators in the event of emergency. Thus being able to use Morse
Code at anything but training wheel speed is a big plus.


Is it being accepted by certain other hams?

No, not entirely. But being able to assimilate with minimum friction is
a
big help. In otherwords don't show up with a "I know it all attitude"
and
have a bit of respect for those that have been there before you.

Could it be the date they were first licensed, or maybe the class of
license they hold now?

That does have a bearing on things. Don't come on with the above
attitute
holding a Technician ticket for 6 months, and expect to be treating with
respect. Respect is earned me boy.

Can a person climb to Extra with today's test and be considered a real
ham?

No, not really. Must I elaborate on the obvious?

If one does that wonderous dead and then EARNS the respect of those other
hams. A lot of what I said above is bypassed. Respect, Earned those
are
the key words here.

Is yodoc aka K3LT a real ham, or the one to determine who is a real
ham?

Don't know the man.

Can somebody who gets into amateur radio today with the "give away
license" ever be considered a real ham?

Sure...see above.

Does getting a vanity license that is an older call such as K8*** or
WD8*** make you a real ham?

A WD8? a joke right? Try W or K ...one by two or three, non vanity of
course. Thats an old timer.

As a matter of fact the FCC once considered the W/K prefix "prefered
calls".
And at one time the FCC required you to change your call if you
permanetly
moved to another district. And in deference to the W/K....if you had one
they would issue another from the prefered block.

Which is how I got my present call (W4NTI) because I used to have K8BHH.
Course that all went to crap with the alphabet soup system of today.


I didn't take the free upgrade to general, so would this make me a
cb'er
or no coder as the toad says?

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you
would be a Technician. Hi hi.


I'm not being a troll, I would really like to know the answers to this!


Hope that helps a bit.

Dan/W4NTI