"KC8GXW" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Yes it is, and yes I am. So what? The general theory was mainly
concerned
with freqs used by Generals and HF stuff. At that time in history the
Tech
test was centered around V/Uhf stuff.

So that would also make most of the generals in the last 15 years also a
give away license? Seeing as the only difference was 13wpm.


No it wouldn't. It takes a large amount of time and effort to achieve 13
wpm.
That certainly does not qualify as a give away.

snip

No, just a no coder. Unless of course you did pass a 5wpm test. Then
you would be a Technician. Hi hi.

I took the 5wpm when I did my novice.


Congrats....so did I. Then I jumped over the Tech and took my General at
13wpm, then my Advanced then my Extra at 20wpm. Your point is?

Dan/W4NTI
My point was in answer to your statement!

wrote in message
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KC8GXW wrote:
But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give
away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask?
Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person.
Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A
give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham
radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't
want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

wrote in message
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KC8GXW wrote:

But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give
away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY


I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask?
Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person.
Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A
give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham
radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't
want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI

I can order pizza? I see what you mean now about me not knowing all the
rules and regs off the top of my head. Look what I've been missing!

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
wrote in message
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KC8GXW wrote:

But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a give
away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY


I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you ask?
Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the person.
Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are on the test. A
give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of ham
radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio and don't
want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI



Is there really any need for much technical knowledge to obtain a ham
license anymore? Why a need for technical knowlege when setting up and
operating a station today is simply plug-an-play? How many hams constuct
any equipment they use on the air any more? The most tech knowledge that
might be required is maybe how to build and put up and adjust an
antenna. Perhaps the test should focus more on rules, regulations and
proper operating procedures. The most technical that hams get today is
knowing how many frequencies they can store in the radios memory.

As you say Dan, with the joke they use for testing today, no technical
knowledge is required anyway, just memorize the answers to the questions
and off you go. So maybe if the tests were geared more to regs and
operating procedures, then even with the memoriziation some of it might
soak in and maybe there would less cb type operating on the ham bands.

It is pretty bad when as I heard not long ago on a 2 meter reperter, "I
just got my license, can someone tell me what frequencies I can
operate?" Cheeese.

Even wogie wussman passed the test, that in itself speaks volumns about
how easy the they are.

John Smith wrote:
... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep
trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is
that an A.A. meeting?)...
We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to
the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it...

So, are you a ham?

.... absolutely not, that is why ham radio has failed, the old guys keep
trying to turn it into a darn religion with a bunch of traditions (or is
that an A.A. meeting?)...
We need some young active technical people to bring some technology to
the focus in this hobby and breathe some life back into it...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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KC8GXW wrote:
But you still have to pay the VE fee, and have earned that
Tech in the first place. Not a giveaway or a free upgrade.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I was just being sarcastic because I have been told I have a
give away tech license!

Well, whoever told you that was full of beans and didn't know
what s/he was talking about. Probably just sour grapes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I said that. And I mean it. The tests today are a joke. Why you
ask? Because the questions and answers are right there in front of the
person. Sure he has to study a lot of questions. But there they are
on the test. A give away.

And lets not even talk about the CW situation.

It's NOT numbers we need, it people that respect the traditions of
ham radio and want to continue them. Its people that love ham radio
and don't want to use to to order a pizza.

Call me old fashioned and out of touch. It won't be the first time.

Dan/W4NTI

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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[snip]
Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a
non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district,
these
would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower limit
on
age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her
ticket
just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining
their
ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too
far
back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking at
someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and
callsigns
weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later.


You keep ignoring the 1x3s beginning with N. These started being issued in
the 1970s and/or 1980s and finished being issued in the 1990s (for all call
districts). So the 1x3s beginning with K would not have run out until
sometime in that 1970-1980 timeframe.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other
lids
have jumped right in to fill the gap.

I remember his well. In fact I was insulted by him several times on 75
when
he slapped me around for having a K8 call.....hi.

Didn't a club pick up his call?

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

Yes, it is a club call now. OY jumped on my frequency once on 75 when I was
chatting with a station in Ohio. Guess what? The Ohio station was a good
cw op and we changed to cw. At first, I tried signing 73 with him at about
20 words per minute. He came back stating cw was fine with him. Inside of
30 seconds we kept asking each other "qrq?" and rapidly cranked up to about
40 words per minute. With the q-multiplier cranked up, I couldn't even hear
W2OY. I briefly turned it down to hear him moaning and groaning for us to
"take those toys down into the cw band!". LOL. He didn't bither us a bot!

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

wrote:
From: "bb" on 4 Jun 2005 11:13:35 -0700

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
KC8GXW wrote:

"Ham" is a label given to certain people with a certain belief system.

What "belief systems", Vipul...?!?!

"Belief systems" is a catch-phrase you usurped from Lennie
Anderson. Lennie is NOT a good role model to scam lines from.

People don't have belief systems?

Sure they do.

But your mentor uses the term "belief system" as if it were dirty.

I see no evidence of that.

There are many, many, many forms of belief systems. Few of them
are "dirty." But that isn't what Robeson is trying to convey
here. Robeson simply wants to insult me anywhichway he can.
That's nothing new since he's been trying and trying and trying
to do that for years. [he's become very trying] He fails in all
attempts.

Trying...and succeeding.

I can't "insult" anyone who doesn't present the opportunity to
BE insulted, Lennie.

You lie. You deceive. You attempt to humiliate other's sincerity
and accomplishments for your own demeaning reasons.

You ARE your own worst enemy.

Steve, K4YZ

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

[snip]
Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a
non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district,
these
would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower
limit
on
age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her
ticket
just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining
their
ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go too
far
back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking
at
someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and
callsigns
weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later.


You keep ignoring the 1x3s beginning with N. These started being issued
in
the 1970s and/or 1980s and finished being issued in the 1990s (for all
call
districts). So the 1x3s beginning with K would not have run out until
sometime in that 1970-1980 timeframe.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Hello, Dee

I thought I had mentioned that I had obtained N2JH under a vanity for extra
class licensees in the very early 70s.

I have been in touch with Dan and I think we both got a surprise. He
obtained his ticket only 1 year before I did and didn't get the W4NTI until
some years *later*. There was a big difference between call districts as we
had exhaused the 1X3s in the very late 50s in the 2 district (or perhaps
early 1960). WA was issued in 60/61 and WBs started in 1962 (at least so I
believe as I obtained WN2CJV in May of 1962, which would have become a WB2
upon upgrade).

I consider the N calls to be the first of the "recent" stuff, despite going
back 30 to 35 years.

It also turns out that we are both Vietnam vets.

As far as 1X3s, it would depend upon the district; as I mentioned, the NY/NJ
area was done with 1X3s sometime in the very late 50s or perhaps 1960. By
May, 1962, we were up to WB2CJV. WAs were already exhausted.

I did get to operate K2US at the Coca Cola pavillion during the World's Fair
in 1964 LOL. So there are 3 1X2s that I was familiar with that have been
re-issued (W2ZX, Russ, and W2OY, Mike are the other 2). All re-issued after
the gates started opening.

At least in NY/NY, I suspect the bulk of 1X3s are re-issued under the vanity
call sign program.

Hey, come to think of it, I remember Mike and Pam Kortz. They lived perhaps
1/4 mile away from me. I still had a crystal radio and had built a one-tube
regenerative receiver. He had let his novice license expire more than one
year before. He would have had a 1X3 if he had upgraded, but he dropped
radio.

I was in 7th grade; that meant it was 1959. I assume he was licensed in
1957 or so. He would have been very near the end of the 1X3s. He was 3
years older than I. Pam, his sister, was my age.

That sets a minimum age, in my mind, of around 55 years old for an original
1X3 from the NY/NJ area. Any moves, and you loose it. I suspect that
original 1X3s, although not rare, are likely not in the majority. Some
folks drop out, others are killed. Some move. Original X2XXX calls are not
likely in the majority.

X2XX are as common as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I knew a couple
and they are long sk.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA