Probably the least thing I have done in life is to get a ham license...
except for a few locals on 10 meters here, there is little left for
me... well, the aussies and brits still have some interesting folks to
chat with...

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Well, all the astronauts are no code techs...

And yet you can't even manage that.

Well, I didn't come here to make any friends, they bother me not... I
don't think we need be standing on pomp and circumstance in these
times...
My skin is about as thick as ones can get, and I darn well know how to
call a spade a spade--still deal with jr college kids two nights a
week... these old guys aren't anything next to them...

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jun 8, 10:16 pm

Yes, that is correct... and probaby only 1/5 of THOSE 4/5 will bother
with the ARRL...

John

John, Hans just doesn't understand. When he gets like that
he is extremely touchy-grouchy.

Regardless, the League still doesn't have but about 1 out of
every 5 U.S. amateur radio licensees as members. The League
can't seem to "raise" that much. A couple years ago they
got to about 23%, then it fell off.


"K0HB" wrote in message
news

wrote

Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams
actually got on the air?

Dammit Len, your reading comprehension really is badly deteriorated.
See a specialist quickly.

Tsk, tsk, master super chief of all. Didn't you notice a
little QUESTION MARK I put at the end of my sentence?
You quoted it and STILL didn't see it! YOUR problem, not
mine. Read it again and RECOGNIZE the punctuation.

Sigh.

What Haynie said was that the survey revealed that "more than
one-fifth of new amateur licensees never get on the air."

Go uncork a fifth and go for stupor-ville, mighty super
master chief. You will feel better...but not in the morning.

Good luck on this one, now...

You are just a nasty tempered old man which knows some cheap tricks and
sits here attacking peoples character while denying all but which you
want to hear...
If you want to argue do it openly and honestly do so without worry, my
skin is thick--if all you want to do is make cheap personal attacks on
personalities you just consume time....

John
"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Probably the least thing I have done in life is to get a ham
license... except for a few locals on 10 meters here, there is little
left for me... well, the aussies and brits still have some
interesting folks to chat with...

John

Then why don't you turn in your license, get out of ham radio and then
there will be one less 'old fart' that you despise so much killing off
ham radio.

John Smith wrote:
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

? I've heard a lot of that on phone, but very little on CW.

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and
modem...

That is true to a fair extent.


My own personal assessment of Haynie's talk is that he is correct to a
large extent.

The olde questions were not harder, they were different. Someone posed
a couple of likely candidate old time q's to me, and it took me just a
few minutes to find the answers.

I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks
like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get
incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from
inconsequential things.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael:

Good point, never hurts to "boil the blood" a bit though, long as in the
end hands can be shook and everyone walks away a bit wiser...

The old hams have valuable info and history, I would never even be such
a fool as to debate that--however, this ship needs a younger captain...

Warmest regards,
John

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants
and name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and
youthful hams...

? I've heard a lot of that on phone, but very little on CW.

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone
and modem...

That is true to a fair extent.


My own personal assessment of Haynie's talk is that he is correct to a
large extent.

The olde questions were not harder, they were different. Someone posed
a couple of likely candidate old time q's to me, and it took me just
a few minutes to find the answers.

I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks
like me is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get
incredibly worked up about almost nothing, forecasting doom from
inconsequential things.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even
comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big
mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie.

Dan/W4NTI

He's a cber, couldn't copy code if his life depended upon it.

"Michael Coslo" wrote


I think the main problem with the older hams being "better" than folks like me
is the ability of many middle-aged and older men to get incredibly worked up
about almost nothing, forecasting doom from inconsequential things.


~~~
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something,
learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before.


He is full of murderous resentment of people who
are ignorant without having come by their ignorance
the hard way.
~~~ Bokonon

From: "John Smith" on Wed 8 Jun 2005 22:07

Well, I didn't come here to make any friends, they bother me not... I
don't think we need be standing on pomp and circumstance in these
times...

Understood and agree with you.

But, to most in here, there IS a "pomp and circumstance"
going on in their imaginations. Mostly stuffed in there by
dilligent and effective brainwashing of the big publishing
house in Newington.

"Amateur radio is a SERVICE" crow some. Their imaginations
conjur up a military service with rigid rules/regulations
which MUST be adhered to at all times. All SHALL march to
the same drum-beat. Everyone MUST think alike. Dumb for
a hobby activity which is supposed to be fun, a recreation.

My skin is about as thick as ones can get, and I darn well know how to
call a spade a spade--still deal with jr college kids two nights a
week... these old guys aren't anything next to them...

Heh heh heh. After 20 1/2 years of doing computer-modem
communications, I've got armor plate for skin as well.
Being a co-sysop on a BBS was an interesting experience,
that of seeing both the private and public text "life' of
some participants. More like a lab class in advanced
clinical psychology. Morbidly fascinating.

The main theme of most "regulars" in here (mental olde-fahrts
all) is SELF-IMPORTANCE. Further, each one is ALWAYS RIGHT.
None may be corrected for that is an outrageous "insult" on
their very being...and that calls for Flame War! FIGHT!
FIGHT! FIGHT! [gotta love it sometimes...:-) ]

If they don't have anything specific to FIGHT about, some
will MANUFACTURE things in order to misdirect "blame" from
them to the challenger. See this Stebie-manufactured
"Motorola didn't exist in WW2" thread. Has NOTHING to do
with amateur radio but he deems it "necessary" in order
to "prove" his "enemy" is "wrong." :-)

Never mind that the MOTOROLA logo and brand name identity
was known to the public prior to WW2, the deluded one has
to show the "total wrongness" of one in a previous
statement! Never mind that the existance consisted of
some legal statements and a lot of corporate letter heads
being changed in Chicago..."Motorola did not exist prior to
1947!" Terrible "wrongness." :-)

The silliness of some of those statements of accusation is
marvelous to behold. That human beans get so wrought up in
damnation of others is fascinating. Transparent to any
sane person reading all this. So is that "No kids, lids,
or space cadets" supposedly remarked by an old ham once. :-)

Some of the denizens of this din of inequity are just nuts.

Oh really? Then how do we explain the young contesters out there? Or the
many QSOs I have with hams on CW in their 20s and 30s? And I don't operate
at 5wpm. Neither do they...think maybe they picked up some speed, eh?

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be speaking
morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the extra
license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and
modem...

John
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bet the pilots among them know Morse.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Well, all the astronauts are no code techs... guess those no-code'ers
are in good and technical company...

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jun 8, 5:50 pm

You would think the ARRL high priest would not abandon these
guys--times
must be tough...

http://www.arrl.org/news/stori?es/2004/05/22/1/?nc=1

John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Tsk. It took the League long enough to see the "duhhhh..." :-)

They've had adequate numbers all along. They've been seeing
only what they want to believe.

As of the end of 2004 the League had only 140 thousand members.
That's about 20 percent of all U.S. amateur licensees. [from
QST advertising webpage]

Haynie has said that a "survey" showed fully 1 in 5 hams
actually got on the air? Oh, my, a remarkable coincidence
in the percentage of League membership. :-)

[we now pause to have all loyal league believers vent their
rage against those who defile 'their' organization...]

And your speed is what "John Smith". What makes you qualified to even
comment on this? Do you operate on CW? Save you the time. Your a big
mouth know nothing about the subject. Damn...it may be Lennie.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... as always, there will be exceptions to ANY rule... I think both
Haynie and I would be surprised if this becomes anywhere near a
"remarkable" number...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Morse is a ghost language spoken by old men when they do their rants and
name their illnesses--much to the dismay of the vital and youthful
hams...

The new 5 WPM test for all classes will guarantee you will NOT be
speaking morse to any young men--they will pass the 5 WPM to get the
extra license... then you will never see them again--except on phone and
modem...

John

Not so. I've worked several licensees in the CW November Sweeps who gave
their year of license as 2000 and AFTER. I currently know several people
who have passed their 5wpm so they never have to take the test again but
continue to work diligently to get up to both conversational and contest
speeds.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE