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June 23rd 05, 12:42 AM
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#143
June 23rd 05, 12:53 AM
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Sun 19 Jun 2005 22:53 Hey Lennie....did that beating you took with the lye soap leave any permanent scars? No "beating," no "lye soap," no "scars," you southern-fried dumb### dip####. Whoa! We got profanity, abuse AND bigotry all in one sentence! Way to go Lennie! Yet PCTA Larry Roll/K3LT's ubiquitous use of "persons with a southern accent" was perfectly acceptable. And Dan's initial use of profanity in an otherwise civil debate on amateur radio policy issues is not a problem. Oh, the PCTA double-standard! When will it end? Where will it end? |
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#144
June 23rd 05, 12:57 AM
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Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... I was told, when Novice Enhancement came along, not to pick up a microphone because I would never get good at the Morse Code and advance. That was good advice. I did the same thing. I had my Novice for 3 months, skipped the Technician, and got the General. I could have got on 2m AM as a Novice. I had a Gonset II on load from Civil Defense. I flat refused to do so until I got the General. Glad I did. Dan/W4NTI Perhaps it was good advise in your case. I tested for General. The Morse Code sped by at an incredible rate, and I did not pass. In retrospect, this must have been the diff between Morse Code and the advent of the ARRL VEC use of the Farnsworth Code. Anyway, the consolation prize was the Technician license. The Novice enhancement came later, so was not a player. |
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#145
June 23rd 05, 01:25 AM
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"bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Sun 19 Jun 2005 22:53 Hey Lennie....did that beating you took with the lye soap leave any permanent scars? No "beating," no "lye soap," no "scars," you southern-fried dumb### dip####. Whoa! We got profanity, abuse AND bigotry all in one sentence! Way to go Lennie! Yet PCTA Larry Roll/K3LT's ubiquitous use of "persons with a southern accent" was perfectly acceptable. And Dan's initial use of profanity in an otherwise civil debate on amateur radio policy issues is not a problem. Oh, the PCTA double-standard! When will it end? Where will it end? Dip**** and Dumbass is a commonly used term in the US Military. I don't consider it profane, if you do.....tuff. Dan/W4NTI |
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#146
June 23rd 05, 01:29 AM
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K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: wrote: For example, the maximum power an amateur station may use in the USA is 1500 W peak output. Why 1500 W - why not 1000 W, or 2000 W, or something else? Why not any power level that an amateur can put on the air and still meet RF exposure and spurious emission rules? Why are you telling us this, and not the FCC? He wasn't "telling" anything... I see it differently. They are interrogatives...Questions...Preceeded with "Why" and eneded with a question mark. So why are you nuts? There's always the possibility that some new idea, argument, or information will result from a discussion. Even the passage of time gives new insights. Ther's not if you continually avoid such discussions. So far, only you and Lennie are avoiding anything... We're avoiding your incessant explanations of your claims of seven (7) hostile actions. Hi! (inside joke) For example, the 2000 restructuring that reduced both code and written testing did not result in sustained growth of the number of US hams. We saw a small rise for a few years, but since April 2003 or so the numbers have been in a slow decline. This data clearly indicates that the license test requirements aren't the limiting factor to longterm growth. Were the sunspots in decline during this period? Does it matter? Why wouldn't it? I don't remember the FCC making a point of sunspot numbers in licensing requirements other than discussing propagation characteristics. Hint: they're making a point of it. Sooner or later the FCC will rule and we'll all have to live with the consequences good or bad. Yep. But until they do, we can refine and develop our arguments on both sides. Showing disdain for Technicians who cannot or choose not to learn The Code certainly tells a lot. How did you get "disdain" from that...?!?! Other posts. You find them. Best of Luck. As for it being unhealthy to discuss, I'd say that as long as the discussion remains at a civil level, without misquotes and personal attacks, it's healthy. Don't worry, be healthy. Good advice, Brian. Good advice for you, too. That's why I gave it. Are you going to take it, or are you about to take us on yet another "...'they' chased all the Techs away.." story..?!?! The attitudes of Dee, Dan, and Dave certainly give insight into such stories. If the result is as the NCTA state that it will be, i.e. a big wave of new hams plus a big wave of hams upgrading and getting on HF, just watch the DX stations, especially the rare ones, hide down on CW even more than they are now. That's one big reason we have subbands-by-mode. Wow, I never realized that. We have subbands-by-mode so that DX can hide from us. You, as usual, missed the point, Brian. That was precisely the point that N2EY made. What part of it didn't you understand? Many of the "dx" operators do NOT have the means by which to obtain megabucks multimode/digital Amateur facilities. How can they "hide down on CW EVEN MORE THAN THEY ARE NOW" possible if they don't now have other modes available??? Idiot! And I don't recall David Heil K8MN as RARE DX hiding "down on CW in downtown Dar El Salaam" to avoid calls on SSB from out-of-band Frenchmen on 6 Meters!!! He went for it!!! Jim is right. Civil discourse leads to new insights on arbitrarines and prejudices. Where did he say that, Brian...?!?! A quote, please, or is this yet another "I said it but I really didn't say it" dance? "Jim said it but really didn't say it" If you exclude Japan, the US has more amateur radio operators than the rest of the world combined. If the bands get as busy as the NCTAs imply they will from this rush of new and upgrading hams, a lot of us will be drifting even more to CW just to find some room. Or the data modes. No CW skill required for that. No CW skills required for that. And why would we "exclude" Japan? On the other hand, if the PCTAs are correct, i.e. the impact will be insignificant just as other changes of the recent past have been, then there is NO reason to change the requirements. Changes that have little to no noticeable impact aren't worth the bother of implementing. That's true. But there are other factors: - Reducing the license requirements still further may have negative effects. As it already has, right? The "requirements" (ie required knowledge) for an Amateur license are as steep as they've ever been...But when there's no real incentive to LEARN the material, of what use is it...?!?! So make it even steeper. Make them bleed. - If there's no real effect, the solution obviously lies elsewhere. But some may not want to accept that fact. There may be a number of problems which must be addressed by a number of solutions. - Once the requirements are reduced, it may be near-impossible to get them raised back up. 73 de Jim, N2EY Arbitrariness should be easy enough to increase. That's what makes it arbitrary. In some other universe that made sense...But here...well, it just doesn't work. Obviously, you don't understand the concept of arbitrariness. N2EY has it down to an Art! And you have it down to a dumb shrug and a question mark! Let's face it square on. You're just N2EY's unwitting, unintelligent little hatchet man. Steve, K4YZ |
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#147
June 23rd 05, 01:33 AM
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wrote in message oups.com... From: "Dip**** Dumbass Dan/W4NTI" on Jun 20, 7:40 pm Yep......he had his ass beat in a barracks party, more than one I am sure. Never happened. However, because of your insistence on that "subject" we can guess that it happened to YOU at least once. Is that how you got your military "disability?" Enjoy the hell you've made for yourself... I thought you weren't interested in what my disability was. Oh I remember you made an attempt to belittle it. That is expected from you. So now you are showing your true colors, eh Loser Len? I eventually get my "enemies" to show their true colors. You have the record BTW. Takes most of the goofs a lot longer to lower themselves to this level. Unlike you Loser Len I have real combat time. You on the other hand are caught in your lies. Shall we continue to elaborate or will you just simply crawl back under your wanabee chairbourn ranger chair? Dan/W4NTI |
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#148
June 23rd 05, 02:03 AM
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wrote: bb Jun 19, 10:51 pm show options Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "bb" wrote in message oups.com... It's nice to see Miss Manners finally noticing something amiss n the ARS. "bb" is just full of all sorts of assumptions, ain't he boys and girls? Using his logic then all us "higher" class operators need to get out of EMCOM, eh? I'll be sure to tell the Extra class Emergency Net Control operator next time I see her. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're welcome to tell her anything you want. She's probably already aware that you usually get it wrong anyway. Do you have trouble chewing gum and walking Bryan? I don't chew gum. I don't smoke, either. Did you have a point? Probably on his head... He should have it biopsied. Save him an early date with the actuarial tables. |
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#149
June 23rd 05, 02:19 AM
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Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Bill Turner wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:53:51 GMT, "K=D8HB" wrote: Let's go beyond the SO1R/SO2R question and look at the bigger picture. OK I think it's time to revise the basic structure of contest competition. Contesting hardware has evolved to the point that one must spend a small fortune to be competitive, and I think that is hurting contesting itself. That depends on what you mean by "competitive" and "a small fortune". I don't agree with the basic premise, Jim. The operator is a lot more important than the equipment. To a point, yes. But the guy with 100 W and a dipole at 40 feet isn't going to win CQWW or even SS no matter how good he is. He's not even going to make Top Ten. That doesn't mean he can't do well, just that winning is a different game. Who do ya want - a impatient knob twiddler with a FTDX 9000 and an antenna farm of (insert your favorite antenna here), or a good capable contester with say a dipole and an IC-746. What we want is a seperate transmiter and receiver. Make it a Collins. For some hams, "competitive" means winning outright, or at least making the Top Ten. For others, "competitive" means winning their section, or maybe division, or maybe getting into the top ten of same. And for others it's simply doing better than last year. And if they keep it up, they will eventually become the top dogs. But there comes a point where doing better becomes equipment limited. All other things being equal. Way too many people seem to think that you plunk down the money, and you are an instant contester. Way too many people? I didn't think contestors were that numerous. In similar fashion, cost is relative. A $5000 station is small change to some and beyond others' wildest dreams. Same for many other spending levels. Just a few years back, having a dedicated computer in the shack was a major expense. Not any more! I believe there are two general groups of contesters: 1. People who like the head-to-head competition on a personal level and are not motivated by having large amounts of expensive hardware. These people focus on operating skill, knowledge and strategy instead of = equipment. -and- 2. People who will do anything legal to maximize their score, including spending huge amounts of money on rigs, antennas and any other hard= ware which gives them an advantage. I disagree strongly! I think there are many more basic groups, from the casual types just putting in a few hours and maybe picking up a new state or country, to the all-out multi-multis, to the middle-of-the- pack folks, to the special-interest ones (like the QRP types with incredible antenna farms). On top of this is the fact that the superstations require operating skill, knowledge and strategy just like the 100 W and dipole folks. Both groups have good points and neither is superior to the other. Agreed! In fact the superstations need the little guys in order to make super scores. And the little guys need the superstations. What is wrong with contesting today is both groups are combined into one= when it comes to competing, and that is hurting contesting. Well, there's division by power level, by multiop vs. single, and packet spotting. I propose that there be two basic classes of competition: 1. A Limited Class which clearly spells out maximum hardware, i.e. one radio, one antenna per band, no receiving while transmitting, and perhaps some others, -and- 2. An Unlimited Class which allows anything legal. Within those two classes there could be subclasses for power level and number of operators, but the basic hardware definitions would remain the same. This would allow an operator to choose his class and know he = is competing against others who are equipped similarly. The trouble is where the lines are drawn. What does "one radio" mean? Is a second receiver allowed? How about if the second receiver is built into the rig? One antenna per band could work a hardship on even some modest stations. At my previous location I had an inverted V for 80/40 that could be made to work on 20. Also had a 20 meter vertical with elevated radials. 100 W homebrew transceiver. Hardly a superstation but I did pretty well. On 20 the vertical was usually better, but sometimes the inverted V would do the trick. "One antenna per band" would eliminate that. The whole concept is way way way to complicated. Also unenforceable. Will the contest committee send out Hamcops to ensure compliance? Who enforces the present rules? Power level, packet spotting, etc.? Good question. The answer is it is a gentleman's agreement, and you trust the person to abide by the rules. So you make the rules as rock-bottom simple as possible. Rules like no receiving while transmitting, are simply not enforceable. Ideas such as monoband antennas are going to knock a lot of people right out of the contest - unless of course they decide to cheat, as is the one receiver idea. But, but, but... If the ARRL DX desk don't approve it ain't ham radio. They approved the Frenchmen's excursion outside of France's 6M band!!! Finally, the idea of separating the contesters by limited and unlimited classes is incredibly counterproductive. So these small number of superoperaters are just going to work among themselves and then sign off, I suppose. It is common knowledge that many small contestors are ther to snag DX and nothing else. Whenever I hear rules change suggestions, I ask how this is going to affect the person suggesting the changes. Funny how it is always to give this person a big advantage, even when they claim they are just trying to level the playing field. At the end of the day, the big $$$ stations win. Everyone else supplies contacts. When wasn't it so? This is just a punitive plan toward the big stations. So you think the big $$$ stations won't go for it? One time I listened to one of the high-powered, high scoring stations noting how *they* should get extra points for listening to all those low power stations with the weak signals! Yep. Recall the many, many, many times you've had to say to the qrp station, "Say again all after xxx." The present hardware situation reminds me of a boxer who has acquired a set of brass knuckles but who still wants to fight those not so equipped. That's not right and neither is contesting in its present form. I don't see it that way at all. I think we need an "iron" class for a very different reason. One thing that makes a contest fun (for me) is the competition. It's radiosport, pure and simple. I think the message that needs to be emphasized more is that you don't need a superstation to have a good time. No you don't. But it takes more than the average station to win. Define average? I've got an IC-745 and used a ladder line fed dipole (96 feet long @50 feet high) to work the NEQP from Pennsylvania. Used a MFJ-949E tuner on it. Didja win? Total outlay was around 350 dollars, and this has got to be a below average station setup if there ever was one, especially by these "contest standards". Far, far, far below. Revisit the notion when you've got that 746 and a tri-bander at 60'. That is the bottom of "average." But I put in a big booming signal to New England, and was definitely limited by my own skills, (still working on 'em) and not my below average station setup. Got a certificate one year. Ahem. Scan it and post it in place of Steve's photo. Please. Somebody... I know too many hams with "100W and dipole" stations who think contesting with such a setup isn't practical. 100 watts and a dipole is only about 90 percent of contesters! And they don't win. Sometimes. Depends on the class and their skills. What? What kind of contesting are you thinking about? People have a tendency to operate with the stations that they have, save for portable operations. Sounds like a "Well Duh!" statement, but it is what most of us have to offer. People have a tendency to improve their stations.... And compared to the results of superstations, they're right. But if they could see how they did against similar setups, we might get more of them - which is a good thing all around. My experience is that contests have two different aspects. Operator skill and power. This is assuming that the operator has a receiver of adequate performance. If you have to get rid of one parameter, go with operator skill. "Power" is actually signal strength. I'd rather have really good antennas and QRP than high power and poor antennas. How about high power AND good antennas? 8^) Now you're talking contesting. |
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#150
June 23rd 05, 02:20 AM
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... "bb" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Sun 19 Jun 2005 22:53 Hey Lennie....did that beating you took with the lye soap leave any permanent scars? No "beating," no "lye soap," no "scars," you southern-fried dumb### dip####. Whoa! We got profanity, abuse AND bigotry all in one sentence! Way to go Lennie! Yet PCTA Larry Roll/K3LT's ubiquitous use of "persons with a southern accent" was perfectly acceptable. And Dan's initial use of profanity in an otherwise civil debate on amateur radio policy issues is not a problem. Oh, the PCTA double-standard! When will it end? Where will it end? Dip**** and Dumbass is a commonly used term in the US Military. I don't consider it profane, if you do.....tuff. Dan/W4NTI Besides they are only vulgar not profane. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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