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Old June 27th 05, 06:59 PM
 
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Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700,
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What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?


What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

Then what do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What do you suggest I do, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?


What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?


What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?


And your suggestion is?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

In a word: No.

It's not rather obvious, Leo.


Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be?


It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity.

Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you
suggest that I do?

What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than
answering a question with another question, or a zinger.

What's your suggestion?


The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.


OK so far.

Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I*
take.

Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.


So what do you suggest *I* do?

Owned or free.


That's your spin.

The path you choose will be entirely up to you.


So there *is* a choice!

Choose wisely!


Wise by whose standards?

How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms?
What actions do you suggest?

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Old June 27th 05, 08:31 PM
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wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700,
wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700,
wrote:
What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

Then what do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What do you suggest I do, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

And your suggestion is?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

In a word: No.

It's not rather obvious, Leo.


abreak to try and get google to frmat as I choose here goes

Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be?


It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity.

Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you
suggest that I do?


Jim he can he just chooses not to He also doesn't have to


What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than
answering a question with another question, or a zinger.

What's your suggestion?


The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.


OK so far.

Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I*
take.


No He leaves you with the free choice adknownledges and respcts you
Rights to decide for yourself what to do


Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.


So what do you suggest *I* do?


Clearly he and I for that matter suggest that you take a close look at
your options

Owned or free.


That's your spin.

The path you choose will be entirely up to you.


So there *is* a choice!


certainly he has gone and on about the fact you have a choice,


Choose wisely!


Wise by whose standards?


Any you choose to follow


How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms?
What actions do you suggest?


I should think he has made it clear that he does not intend to tell you
how to think or how to act. and the He (and I) claim the right same
right ourselves


73 de Jim, N2EY


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Old June 28th 05, 01:02 AM
 
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From: Leo on Mon 27 Jun 2005 07:19

On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700,
wrote:


The following cantu-respondu is repeated 14 times, more
or less the same

What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?


In a word: No.

It's not rather obvious, Leo.


Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be?


Based on years of trying to play the Olde Guru of Amateur
Radio in here, he simply wants things HIS WAY. He was that
way on an AOL amateur radio group, too.


What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than
answering a question with another question, or a zinger.

What's your suggestion?


The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.

Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


He will do it again (and did) following. Predictable. :-)

Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.

Owned or free.

The path you choose will be entirely up to you.

Choose wisely!


He hasn't, but then HE MUST BE *RIGHT* in whatever he sayeth.

All who speak contrary to His wisdom are WRRRONNNNGGGG.

The bells have been ringing in here with the above for years.

Watch the replies to his "Riley" encyclical. :-)





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Old June 28th 05, 03:52 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700,
wrote:

Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700,
wrote:
What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

Then what do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do instead?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?
What do you suggest I do, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

And your suggestion is?

Isn't that rather obvious?

What do you suggest I do differently, Leo?

Isn't that rather obvious?

In a word: No.

It's not rather obvious, Leo.


Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be?


It's not about simplification, Leo. It's about clarity.

Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you
suggest that I do?


I have - many, many times.

You must decide.


What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than
answering a question with another question, or a zinger.

What's your suggestion?


The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.


OK so far.


Glad to hear it!

So far, so good.


Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I*
take.


That is your current reality.


Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.


This is your potential future reality.


So what do you suggest *I* do?


Decide!


Owned or free.


That's your spin.


That's your opinion.

Owned - or free.

You must decide.


The path you choose will be entirely up to you.


So there *is* a choice!


There is always a choice.

Yours to make if your are able to do so,

You must decide!


Choose wisely!


Wise by whose standards?


We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide!


How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms?


Hmmm - you read the two options, right?

What actions do you suggest?


Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now.

Good luck!


73 de Jim, N2EY


73, Leo

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Old June 28th 05, 03:52 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 16:02:31 -0700, wrote:

From: Leo on Mon 27 Jun 2005 07:19

On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700,
wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700,
wrote:


The following cantu-respondu is repeated 14 times, more
or less the same


Thank God for copy-and-paste - I'd never have made it!


What would you suggest?

Isn't that rather obvious?


In a word: No.

It's not rather obvious, Leo.


Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be?


Based on years of trying to play the Olde Guru of Amateur
Radio in here, he simply wants things HIS WAY. He was that
way on an AOL amateur radio group, too.


BTW - are there archives of those discussions on the Net anywhere?

Might make interesting reading.....



What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than
answering a question with another question, or a zinger.

What's your suggestion?


The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.

Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


He will do it again (and did) following. Predictable. :-)


We'll soon see - he might surprise us!


Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.

Owned or free.

The path you choose will be entirely up to you.

Choose wisely!


He hasn't, but then HE MUST BE *RIGHT* in whatever he sayeth.


He might! We'll all know soon enough......


All who speak contrary to His wisdom are WRRRONNNNGGGG.

The bells have been ringing in here with the above for years.

Watch the replies to his "Riley" encyclical. :-)


Heh. I'm watching 'er grow day by day.........




73, Leo

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Old June 28th 05, 03:52 AM
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On 27 Jun 2005 15:41:23 -0700, "bb" wrote:



wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote:


What's your suggestion?

The way I see it, you have two options:

1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.
2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments.


OK so far.

Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you
in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of
someone's strings....


That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I*
take.

Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the
intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and
considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when
you know you are in the right.


So what do you suggest *I* do?

Owned or free.


That's your spin.

The path you choose will be entirely up to you.


So there *is* a choice!

Choose wisely!


Wise by whose standards?

How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms?
What actions do you suggest?

73 de Jim, N2EY


And so Grasshopper hesitates. Asks many questions. Must be told what
he is to do, rather than just do what he is told.

The pebble is withdrawn and Grasshopper is none the richer and none the
wiser.


Ah - it is true, he has missed the pebble. Again. (sigh)

But take heart - perhaps there is a greater treasure to be attained.

Perhaps, by missing the little pebble he is but one step closer to the
final destination.

He must decide.

73, Leo

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Old June 28th 05, 04:05 AM
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wrote:

... the cw part


Is an amateur test. And is a trivial problem to people with
real educations..


Sorry you are plain wrong in many cases

makes as much sense as learning to play a "jew's
harp"--a lot of sense if you wish to, none if you don't...


Then why require someone with no interest in VHF-UHF to learn
those techniques in order to operate on HF? Why require
knowedge of FSK, PSK and other data modes to operate voice?
Why require knowledge of transistors and ICs to operate
vacuum-tube equipment?


We don't require knowledge of given mode meraly a scatering of them.
you could choose to know nothing about psk and get your license. but
not Morse encoded CW


IOW, why require anyone to learn anything about a subject they
are not interested in, just to get a license to do the things
they *are* interested in?


we don't a plain falsehood

--

Perhaps what bothers some people the most about the code test
is that it isn't something most people already know. And it
isn't something that can be learned by reading a book, watching
a video, etc. It's a skill, not "book learning".

In learning the code, a Ph.D in EE has to start at the same place
as a grade-schooler. And the grade schooler may learn faster and
do better! Perhaps it is this characteristic of the test - its
ability to act as a Great Equalizer - that causes some to resent
it so much.


It isn't an equalizer it is a discriminating factor based on the abilty
of the brain to process certain data types


Few people start at the same place, the feild is simply not level,
level playing field is what the US is about, can't always manage it but
in theory we try

People can and do skip over a question here and threre Indeed when I
took my tests for tech I skiped over learning the band edges of the
novice bands I took a guess when the time came



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