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June 29th 05, 03:58 AM
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Leo wrote:
In the words of the immortal Caine (in the spirit of the many Kung Fu references of late...) "If a man sees a wrong and does nothing, how can he still call himself a man?" How much wood could a wood chuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#253
June 29th 05, 10:34 AM
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Leo wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Option 2 - Shut up How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right?  Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" |
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#254
June 29th 05, 09:37 PM
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From: Leo on Tues 28 Jun 2005 22:30
On 28 Jun 2005 10:50:28 -0700, wrote: From: Leo on Mon 27 Jun 2005 21:52 On 27 Jun 2005 15:37:43 -0700, "bb" wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Grasshopper, snatch this pebble from my hand. Ah - the journey of 1,000 miles begins with but a single step. He must decide. Why? :-) Et tu, Brute? No, just et one. I'm on a diet to avoid sharp foods... He must decide. Owned - or free. His is not to question why, his is to obey the league or die... In the words of the immortal Caine (in the spirit of the many Kung Fu references of late...) "If a man sees a wrong and does nothing, how can he still call himself a man?" Only if the show's sponsor is Viagra. :-) David Carradine lives in the horse country of Lake View Terrace somewhat close to my neighborhood. I'll ask him if I happen to see him in the barbershop getting his hair lengthened. :-) Actually, speaking of show biz, I think Jimmie is an LAPD Reservist equivalent, busy bee being a semi-pro Political Reservist out to maintain the status quo at all costs. It sure seems that way to me. His automobile probably has the ARRL diamond on it with the phrase "To protect and serve" printed under it. Anyone who doesn't defend the Standards and Practices HE bought into over three decades ago is a "bell ringer": WRRRONNNNGGGGG. WRRRRRONNNNNGGGGGG......WRRRONNNNNGGGGG......WRRRO NNNNGGGGGgggggg. "The hills are alive with the sound of wrrronnnggging..." England has Big Ben. This newsgroup has big jim. Every blessed day... |
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#255
June 29th 05, 11:32 PM
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On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. Tinnitus, perhaps? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. Everything is not about Len. Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? Break free. Decide. That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. It cannot be simplified any further, Jim. Owned - or Free. Decide. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns Focus, Jim. Option 1. Or Option 2. Continue - or Change. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." Polish - or Avoid. Option 1 - or Option 2. You must decide! That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. There is no choice. Continue - or Change. You must decide! Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information Correct. And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Hmmm - now that's a Masters - level analysis of the issue. Thanks for narrowing this one down for us, Jim! Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. I ignored it. This is a serious matter. Not TV. And hold on to that pity - you may well be in need of it. When you decide. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. 44, Leo |
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#256
June 30th 05, 12:10 AM
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Leo wrote:
On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. Tinnitus, perhaps? You missed the reference completely, then. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. The word is spelled "focused". Everything is not about Len. That is correct! Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? No one "possesses" me, Leo. Break free. Decide. Why? That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. Says who? A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. There's always a C. Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. How, Leo? If I respond to Len in any way, you say I have taken Option 1. Therefore the only way to take Option 2 is for me to shut up. All your blathering psychobabble comes down to your trying to tell me to shut up without using those words. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Which is what I do, most of the time. Just not all of the time. To satisfy your criteria for Option 2, I'd have to pretty much stop posting here. In fact, it seems to me that perhaps *you* are posting here with the intent of making me "jump".... Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Sure. Do you? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. I'm not Polish. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. It cannot be simplified any further, Jim. Sure it can: the two words "shut up" Owned - or Free. Speak out - or Shut Up. That's what it means. Decide. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns Focus, Jim. You really should get out more, Leo. Option 1. Or Option 2. Continue - or Change. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. Why not? It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intentional misstatement does wrong to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. What was Caine's callsign? Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." So you're saying that the posts of Len and some others here are turds. I think you have a point there! Polish - or Avoid. Option 1 - or Option 2. You must decide! That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. There's always an option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! Speak - or shut up. That's the choice you give me. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? I already have demonstrated that, Leo. Do you see me responding to "each and every taunt and tease"? Yes or no? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? You mean to shut up? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! You sure are fixated on that stuff, Leo. -- Psychotics build castles in the air Neurotics live in them Shrinks collect the rent -- Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. There is no choice. Continue - or Change. You must decide! I've decided you want to be the landlord. Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Translation: shut up! Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. How is it an oversimplification? How else would Option 2 be chosen? What other evidence would convince you that I chose Option 2? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. I'm simply asking for a definite criteria. You won't provide it, because you know that Option 2 = shut up Is there a way I could choose Option 2 and not shut up? If so, the two are not the same. If not, the two are essentially the same thing. The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information Correct. So far so good. And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. What other alternative exists, Leo? The opposite of "Speak out against incorrect information" is "Do not speak out against incorrect information" What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Of course not. This part is about your unwillingness to be honest. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Hmmm - now that's a Masters - level analysis of the issue. Thanks for narrowing this one down for us, Jim! You soft-science types fall apart when concrete reality comes along ;-) Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. I ignored it. This is a serious matter. To whom? Not TV. And hold on to that pity - you may well be in need of it. When you decide. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. Speak out - or shut up. 44, Leo Who is #1? |
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#257
June 30th 05, 12:51 AM
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From: Leo on Jun 29, 6:32 pm
On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. Tsk, Jimmie will not do the "action." He will stay on his subject and his "correctness" until the coroner pries the keyboard away from his cold, dead fingers... You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... Jimmie Noserve does his best to sound like the Beeb's SW BC signature sound... When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. If a tree falls on a florist, will he make himself a bouquet? :-) That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. Everything is not about Len. [oh, heck and darn! :-) ] Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? Break free. Decide. Long ago I removed the geas and erased the pentacle, breaking the spell. Tsk. I must have been using indelible chalk... Heap powerful magic stuff I gots... :-) I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. I give him a D-minus... "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. RPN or Clear? Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." Polish - or Avoid. [ahhh...the Light of Wisdom of the East dawns upon the grasshopper] You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. [the upkeep on that "ownership" is terrible...I'm going to Ebay] If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! [I should have gotten a prenup before coming in here...] You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! "He polished up the bell so care-full-ee, that now he is an extra in the ham coterie..." [with apologies to Mssrs Gilbert and Sullivan] Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. Big Jim allus RIGHT. Me allus WRRRONNNNGGGGG (or a "troll") Bells are still "wringing..." WRRRONNNNGGGG...WRRRONNNGGGG...WRRRONNNGGGG...WRRR ONNNGGGG... That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. "The League is his shepherd, he shall not have to think...} Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. A problem with a wide-angle lens is that everything seems in the field of view...but proper focussing requires concentration on the center of the image. Some just don't have the single- lens REFLEX to do it... [clik......clique] "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. Easy route is status quo. No need to fire up brainworks. Every day the beginning of every other day of the past...except: "All things are as they were then, except Jim was THERE..." [apologies to CBS and their old radio show "You Are There"] I need a better agent. I was getting used to being at the "center focus" of so much agitated hate. Maybe I need more more exposure? [I was using Eastman Super-XX at ASA 400] buy, buy, |
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#258
June 30th 05, 01:45 AM
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What is wrong with that so long as I practice safe sex and spit out the man
gravy? "Steveo" wrote in message news:74fbpjcj4jfsm00.290620051621@kirk... the only reason guys hung out around the radio shacks on those boats was to get a bj from the gay radio operator "Leo" wrote in message ... On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? Then what do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do instead? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do? Isn't that rather obvious? What would you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? And your suggestion is? Isn't that rather obvious? What do you suggest I do differently, Leo? Isn't that rather obvious? In a word: No. It's not rather obvious, Leo. Sorry to hear that, Jim. How simplified do you need things to be? What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. Owned or free. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. Choose wisely! 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo |
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June 30th 05, 02:54 AM
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On 29 Jun 2005 16:10:55 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote: On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Why can't you just clearly and plainly state what you suggest that I do? I have - many, many times. You just keep writing that I must decide. But you do not state concrete actions that the decision will produce. Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. You must decide! You must decide. You must. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. Tinnitus, perhaps? You missed the reference completely, then. You cannot answer a question with a question. Focus. What *do* you suggest? Just speak plainly rather than answering a question with another question, or a zinger. What's your suggestion? The way I see it, you have two options: 1. Continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. 2. Do not continue to be suckered in to foolish arguments. OK so far. Glad to hear it! So far, so good. Option 1 is expensive - you become a possession of those who goad you in to responding. A puppet, as it were, dancing at the end of someone's strings.... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. The word is spelled "focused". ....but again, the obsessive-compulsive need to be 'always correct' rears it's ugly head. Focus. Everything is not about Len. That is correct! There is hope! Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? No one "possesses" me, Leo. Heh heh heh......you have been a puppet for a long time. Decide! Break free. Decide. Why? You must. That's your spin on it - does not address what actions you suggest *I* take. That is your current reality. That's your soft-science psychobabble spin, then. ;-) Not at all. I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. Says who? There are two. A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. There's always a C. Not in a two variable equation. Such as this. Owned. Or Free. Wimp. Or Strong. Dit. Or Dah. (mandatory radio content hi hi) Option 2 is much more difficult than Option 1 For you, maybe. Not at all. - it requires the intelligence to recognize a legitimate argument from bait, and considerable inner strength to resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right. "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. How, Leo? This has been explained enough times already. Do your homework! If I respond to Len in any way, you say I have taken Option 1. Therefore the only way to take Option 2 is for me to shut up. Not true. All your blathering psychobabble comes down to your trying to tell me to shut up without using those words. Not true. Are you hoping that someone will tell you to shut up? Why? Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Which is what I do, most of the time. Just not all of the time. To satisfy your criteria for Option 2, I'd have to pretty much stop posting here. Are you suggesting that you cannot post without responding to trolls? If your statement is true - why do you stay? Are you nothing more than bait? Are your posts simply strings of rants assembled at the pleasure of others? You cannot post anything at all of substance without joining in your own torment? What drives this sort of behaviour? In fact, it seems to me that perhaps *you* are posting here with the intent of making me "jump".... Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Sure. Do you? Prove it, Jim - show us all. There is no evidence available to support your claim to date. Demonstration, please. Show us what you've got! Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. I'm not Polish. You are polishing. Turds. That's what you're telling me to do. You could just be clear about it. But that's not your way. It cannot be simplified any further, Jim. Sure it can: the two words "shut up" Do you feel that this is your only logical option, then? Is there no other way? Owned - or Free. Speak out - or Shut Up. That's what it means. Be trolled - or not. That's what it means. Decide. You're begging the question, Leo. I am begging the answer. Decide! This is your potential future reality. Many Happy Returns Focus, Jim. You really should get out more, Leo. Focus. Option 1. Or Option 2. Continue - or Change. So what do you suggest *I* do? Decide! Actions, Leo. Um - decision is an action. Decide! Owned or free. Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. Why not? You can read, correct? Such as the next paragraph, which contains the answer: It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intentional misstatement does wrong to others. Intentional misstatement is a device to get you arguing. The wrong done to you in these cases is done by you. The fact that it is 'intentional' indicates this - the facts are immaterial - the medium itself is the message. You are your own enemy in these battles. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. What was Caine's callsign? Oh oh. The need to be right can be a painful master, Jim. The series "Kung Fu" was set in the American Southwest in the 1870s. Before radio was invented. Wow! That's one five star education yer packin there, podner......yee haw! Some day....you might want to try to learn how to use Google too - so you can do your homework before you post! Instead of having to have others clean up after you. Frequently. http://www.kungfu-guide.com/overview.html Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." So you're saying that the posts of Len and some others here are turds. I think you have a point there! Hope springs anew! That's why the polishing isn't going too well sometimes. Then again - some of your posts here are -well- just a tad stinky as well. Like the German history lesson that you tried to give me earlier in this thread. That was a turd. I chose not to polish it. One cannot polish a turd. Polish - or Avoid. Option 1 - or Option 2. You must decide! That's your spin. That's your opinion. Fact. Owned or free - Decide! Owned - or free. You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. There's always an option. And you have only two. Option 1. and Option 2. SOS - or change. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! Speak - or shut up. Do you feel that this is the only way that you could handle the situation? Do you believe that you could do it? That's the choice you give me. That's the choice you gave you. The path you choose will be entirely up to you. So there *is* a choice! There is always a choice. Odd to hear from someone who told me I could not stop myself. Hopefully I was incorrect. Decide! Yours to make if your are able to do so, Ah - now there's a condition! Which only you can overcome. You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? I already have demonstrated that, Leo. Do you see me responding to "each and every taunt and tease"? Yup. You haven't missed a turd yet. Yes or no? Yup. Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? You mean to shut up? Do you equate that with wisdom? Would that make you appear more wise? "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Mark Twain, I believe. Is this the philosophy that you are leaning towards? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! You sure are fixated on that stuff, Leo. Thinking is good for you. So is introsspection. And decision. Try it and see! -- Psychotics build castles in the air Neurotics live in them Shrinks collect the rent - Decide! You must decide! Why? You must. No, I don't. There is no choice. Continue - or Change. You must decide! I've decided you want to be the landlord. Great! You are capable of decision! Try to apply that to the choice before you. Fool. Or Savant. Decide. Free For All. Choose wisely! Wise by whose standards? We'll all see the answer to that one soon enough - when you decide! How will you know what is decided? That is the simplest task of all. Should you choose Option 2, it will be immediately apparent to all. Translation: shut up! You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em...... Should you continue down the current path, then you have chosen to remail with Option 1. Equally apparent to all. You must decide! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. How is it an oversimplification? How else would Option 2 be chosen? What other evidence would convince you that I chose Option 2? Simple - we wouldn't have Jim saying "You're Wrong" over and over and over again in multiple threads. Just a few times. In legitimate discussions. Would you be able to tell? Or has it been too long? How would such a choice be demonstrated in concrete, practical terms? Hmmm - you read the two options, right? Just can't make yourself spell them out, I see. That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. I'm simply asking for a definite criteria. You won't provide it, because you know that Option 2 = shut up Is there a way I could choose Option 2 and not shut up? If so, the two are not the same. If not, the two are essentially the same thing. You'll need to think just a bit harder, Jim......you aren't quite there yet! Use that brain! The options have been spelled out quite clearly above. Option 1. Status Quo. Owned. = Speak out against incorrect information Correct. So far so good. This is where you are at right now. So far, not good. And Option 2. Change. Free. = Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. What other alternative exists, Leo? The opposite of "Speak out against incorrect information" is "Do not speak out against incorrect information" You feel that you must respond to every challenge in a thread? You are incapable of making your point and then ignoring the inevitable rehashing over and over again? (the trolling part?) Didn't you say that you had the discipline and the wisdom a while back in this thread? Where is it, then? Perhaps you have it, but cannot apply it? Where'd you put them? In a drawer somewhere with your socks? Go get 'em - and let's see 'em in action! What actions do you suggest? Decide! Only you can make this decision - you're on your own now. You have not offered the requested information. Seems to me that when you speak of "abuse" and "control" and "goading", you're really talking about yourself, not Len. Decide! Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Of course not. This part is about your unwillingness to be honest. Are you hoping that someone will tell you to shut up? Why? Do you need that for some reason? Would it fulfil a need? Do you need to fight? Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. Or perhaps you and he are one and the same. Not at all! If you *were*, that's how you'd respond. If you *weren't*, that's how you'd respond. Hmmm - now that's a Masters - level analysis of the issue. Thanks for narrowing this one down for us, Jim! You soft-science types fall apart when concrete reality comes along Yup - that was some real handy analysis there, Jim. You reduced the equation right down to the least common denominator, and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that I may be...or may not be. Nice work! Good luck! Be seeing you. Um - shouldn't that be BCNU? That means the same thing....it's telegraph stuff! No. You don't get the reference, I see. Pity. I ignored it. This is a serious matter. To whom? You. It's your future! Not TV. And hold on to that pity - you may well be in need of it. When you decide. 73 de Jim, N2EY 44, Leo "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. Speak out - or shut up. Natter - or discuss. Rag on - or ragchew. Sucker - or Smart. Owned. Or Free. You Decide. 44, Leo Who is #1? You sure don't know your "92 Code" too well, either...maybe you could brush up on that after... ....you Decide. 44, Leo |
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June 30th 05, 03:11 AM
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On 29 Jun 2005 16:51:34 -0700, wrote:
From: Leo on Jun 29, 6:32 pm On 29 Jun 2005 02:34:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 19:12:17 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 27 Jun 2005 09:59:04 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 18:08:19 -0700, wrote: Leo wrote: On 26 Jun 2005 11:19:31 -0700, wrote: snip Option 1 or Option 2. Those are not concrete actions. To, Sir, they are quite obviously not. They are choices! Decision is a concrete action. In this case, your decision. Your action. Tsk, Jimmie will not do the "action." He will stay on his subject and his "correctness" until the coroner pries the keyboard away from his cold, dead fingers... So far - right you are! But - There's Still Hope. You sound like the chimes of Big Ben. WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... WRRRONNNNGGGGG.... Jimmie Noserve does his best to sound like the Beeb's SW BC signature sound... When text is displayed upon a monitor, or uopn a page, does it make a sound? Most assuredly not. If a tree falls on a florist, will he make himself a bouquet? :-) Hmmm - lemme think about that one a spell..... That's called trolling. You're saying I should not respond to Len's trolls. In other words, you suggest that I shut up. But you can't bring yourself to write clearly and plainly, choosing to gussy up your words with psychobabble. What you fail to notice is that Len dances at the ends of others' strings far more. And that while I write the truth, he inserts mistakes (intentional or otherwise) to bait others into responding. Look at the number of posts I have made in this thread. Or other threads. Compare to the number made in response to me. There's also the organ grinder's red-hatted monkey who will do almost anything for attention. Including misquotes of others. Now you'll say that's not the point. And perhaps in your fantasy, it isn't. Please try to stay focussed. Everything is not about Len. [oh, heck and darn! :-) ] I know....but there has to be room for other things in the guy's life too! Like radio - and TV, and research, and history.... Hmmm .... Does he possess you so completely that your world revolves around him? Break free. Decide. Long ago I removed the geas and erased the pentacle, breaking the spell. There's the problem, right there. You erased the pentacle? Thanks a lot! Tsk. I must have been using indelible chalk... Irascible chalk, perhaps! Heap powerful magic stuff I gots... :-) I have decided that it is. Simple as A, B and C Not at all. Think harder. Use your education. And focus. There are only two choices available to you. A and B. Option 1 - or Option 2. There is no C. I give him a D-minus... Better than the F I gave him a while back..... "resist the drive to respond, even when you know you are in the right" = shut up. That is quite an oversimplification, Jim. Resisting the temptation to be suckered in to responding to a post designed with the intent of making you jump would require the discipline of refusing to respond, and the wisdom to recognize the need.. Do you have that discipline, Jim? The wisdom? Can you resist the temptation to respond? Do you possess the inner strength? Not so far. Not in the past - but perhaps in future. Perhaps today! Decide - Owned or Free. Polish - or Avoid. RPN or Clear? HP - or TI? Yet you quote Caine and the stuff about a man not being silent. (Forgetting for a moment that Caine was a make-believe person in a TV show rife with pseudo-wise Eastern philosophical sayings...) That quote did not apply to your situation. It referenced 'wrong' in more of a human sense - i.e. someone doing 'wrong' to others. Intervening - i.e. 'correcting the wrong', was to stop the actions of the perpetrator of said wrong, thereby protecting the perpetrator (bu getting suckered every time) and the victim (of the resultant bashing). Caine could not help you - he would be too confused. Your current situation requires a different metaphor: "A man walking along discovers a turd in the middle of his path. What should he do? If he is wise, he would step around it and go along his way. But, if he should pick it up and begin polishing it, in the expectation that it would somehow gain value as a result of his effort, he would be quite foolish indeed." Polish - or Avoid. [ahhh...the Light of Wisdom of the East dawns upon the grasshopper] Yes - our intrepid soul may now see the light at the end of the tunnel. Then again - it might be a train coming..... We'll see soon! You must decide. Why? You must. Says who? There is no option. If you continue on the current path, then you have chosen Option 1. Things continue as they are. You remain owned. [the upkeep on that "ownership" is terrible...I'm going to Ebay] It would be cheaper if you did a little more maintenance once in a while! He seems to be getting a bit rusty, too..... If you elect to change, then you have chosen Option 2. You become free. You must decide! [I should have gotten a prenup before coming in here...] Or shots... You want me to shut up. That is clear. You dress it up in fancy terms but that's what it comes down to. Do you possess the discipline which you will require in order to avoid responding to each and every taunt and tease posted to annoy you? Do you possess the wisdom to see things as they are, and recognize a need for change? I see little evidence so far - but there is hope. Look within. Think. And Decide! "He polished up the bell so care-full-ee, that now he is an extra in the ham coterie..." [with apologies to Mssrs Gilbert and Sullivan] Oh yeah! The King's Nayvee! Option 1 - Speak out against incorrect information (even though it's probably a troll) Correct. Option 2 - Shut up Oversimplification, as discussed above. Big Jim allus RIGHT. Me allus WRRRONNNNGGGGG (or a "troll") Bells are still "wringing..." WRRRONNNNGGGG...WRRRONNNGGGG...WRRRONNNGGGG...WRRR ONNNGGGG... That would require Leo to be responsible.. That would relieve you of your requirement to think. "The League is his shepherd, he shall not have to think...} Perhaps you are talking about yourself *and* Len. Focus. Everything is not about Len. Suppose you are correct, and Len's purpose is to Focus. Everything is not about Len. And try to start what you finish. A problem with a wide-angle lens is that everything seems in the field of view...but proper focussing requires concentration on the center of the image. Some just don't have the single- lens REFLEX to do it... [clik......clique] Oh oh. Um, there's an extra 's' in 'focusing' up there. I just got #@$% for that - he'll be on to you shortly..... "I am not a number! I am a free man" Well, no. At the moment, you are at a crossroads. To be free, you must decide. Status quo - or change. Easy route is status quo. No need to fire up brainworks. Every day the beginning of every other day of the past...except: "All things are as they were then, except Jim was THERE..." [apologies to CBS and their old radio show "You Are There"] I need a better agent. I was getting used to being at the "center focus" of so much agitated hate. Maybe I need more more exposure? [I was using Eastman Super-XX at ASA 400] buy, buy, We'll see soon! 73, Leo |
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