Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite
natural for here... now back to:

1) analyze the problem to death.
2) claim there is nothing wrong
3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it.
4) pretend no one notices what is really going on
5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them.
6) pretend that we will live forever
7) argue one new license a year is enough
8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license
9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason
10) carry on as if it is still yesterday.
11) etc, etc, etc...

.... yawn...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
...

Mike:

Let me break this to you gently, what you have to say is just not
important in the whole scheme of things--a year from now we will see
what we all feel as whole--after debate and argument...

I didn't come here for you to teach me english--rant on if you
must--just know it is ignored...

No, there is little need for interpretation of what you say, it is
obvious:
1) there is no problem
2) even if a problem exists--no reason to worry
3) we need not do anything
4) I (Mike, meaning YOU) am happy, everyone else shut up and go away
5) status quo is all which matters
6) etc, etc, etc

I don't make personal attacks--however, if the truth offends someone,
so be it...

John



Dee steps into the ring and spars for a couple seconds.........

However looking in the wrong places for solutions won't solve the
problem either.

You want to repeat solutions that haven't worked.

She lands a quick right.


You ignore the concept that the average age of our entire population
is rising.

Quick feint...

You ignore the idea that radio will only appeal to certain types of
people.

A few hits to the midsection....

You ignore the fact that many people simply don't know about ham
radio.

another feint..

You ignore the fact that all hobby activities are having trouble
getting new members because now everyone is split over more
activities than ever before and that it's not unique to ham radio.

Followed by a quick hit to the head.

You think one "magic bullet" (eliminating the code test) will fix the
problem.

Stunning the opponent, who falls to the canvas.....

Changing the testing requirements are highly unlikely to cause a
significant impact because they do not address the main issues.

And at last, a scene reminding me of the famous shot of Muhammad Ali
standing over Jim Frasier....

And since we are making sports comparisons,

Game, Set, Match, Dee.

- Mike KB3EIA -

(who is sitting here tonight, listening to my newly resurrected
Heathkit HW-22 tube rig, while using my other radio to work psk-31,
and typing a few notes via the internet....)

It's all good......

- Mike KB3EIA -

.... hmm, too bad we will all die soon... guess it will be the end of the
world then, huh? Hey, that sounds like what my parents said!!!, and
they lied!!!...

.... you don't suspect people will think you are taking yourself much,
much too seriously do you? And, the would will get along just fine
without you?

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

Yes, that is always the trouble with those getting their "15 minutes
of fame"--they NEVER leave gracefully... frown

... time for new ideas and motivated minds with energy to move up
front...

... all walkers, wheelchairs and crutches to the back, next to those
clutching bottles of laxatives, blood pressure medication, heart burn
medication, viagra, etc, etc... if you forget your name--don't
worry--a name tag has been placed on your chest to remind you...

John


If I had a buck for all the mistakes the fellows with "... time for
new ideas and motivated minds with energy" made and that I had to
straighten out, I'd be rich. Every activity needs a BLEND OF OLD,
NEW, and IN-BETWEEN to get the best results.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"KXHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"John Smith" wrote

....so younger and more capable minds ....

Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured
logic, we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we
can capture the REALLY capable minds!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Mike:

Geesh... old geezers taking themselves far too seriously... now where
have I see that before?

You guys are real legends--legends in your own minds!!!

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
KØHB wrote:
"John Smith" wrote


....so younger and more capable minds ....


Gee, and I always thought that experience was "the best teacher".
Silly me! Turns out younger is more capable. By that tortured logic,
we ought to be issuing call signs on birth certificates so we can
capture the REALLY capable minds!

Didn't' you know, Hans - there are a brand new set of laws of physics
now - and the big thing is that they can only be understood by those
under 25.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

.... now that is certainly better than nothing--and a heck of a lot more
than most do--I suspect...

John

"W2DNE" wrote in message
...

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

Even worse is an old guy hanging out with kids.

Neatest "old guy" I know (pushing 80-something now) is a WW-II vet who
spends
all his summer taking kids (dependents of deployed CT military) on day
trips
fishing on his dime. He feels useful, the kids line up for weeks to
get on his
"list", the deployed warriors feel someone "cares", and everyone wins.
It's
called "putting something back". This guy deserves a medal, but
unfortunately
if he's identified publicly some cinic like you would do your best to
rain on
his good deed.

DNE

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite
natural for here... now back to:

1) analyze the problem to death.
2) claim there is nothing wrong
3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it.
4) pretend no one notices what is really going on
5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them.
6) pretend that we will live forever
7) argue one new license a year is enough
8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license
9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason
10) carry on as if it is still yesterday.
11) etc, etc, etc...

... yawn...

John


First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the
mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot
who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope
that either of you never have to go through that in your lives.

I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an
appreciation in younger people for the service.
General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is
too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. Yesterday was a day I
will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his
no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times
before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I
see on this list and in other places.

KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

John Smith wrote:

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all you
are about is personal attacks and not about any real discussion--to
which you supply another personal attack as if that doesn't prove my
point.... get a clue.... you constantly demonstrate that you are
self-serving and into attacking any person who presents any part of the
problem--since you benefit from the existing problem...

Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The older
generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space here on
this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the self-serving one,
you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than you, you seem to
think you have all the answers. Got news for you johnnyboy, you don't,
many of that older generation you seem to despise quite often know more
than you ever will.

Garigue:

True, I would get very little or no enjoyment out of poking fun at
people with REAL disabilities--not disabilities someone imposes upon
oneself...

.... so, kinda of obvious I suspect some may be able to rise above the
low levels of self-serving motivations they have sunk too... and these
are the ones I poke fun at--ya suppose? grin

.... however, my optimism has not been well placed..

John

"garigue" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite
natural for here... now back to:

1) analyze the problem to death.
2) claim there is nothing wrong
3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix
it.
4) pretend no one notices what is really going on
5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them.
6) pretend that we will live forever
7) argue one new license a year is enough
8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license
9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason
10) carry on as if it is still yesterday.
11) etc, etc, etc...

... yawn...

John


First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into
the
mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the
idiot
who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely
hope
that either of you never have to go through that in your lives.

I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to
foster an
appreciation in younger people for the service.
General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my
friend is
too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit. Yesterday was a day
I
will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD
passed his
no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times
before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant
moaners I
see on this list and in other places.

KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

garigue wrote:


First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the
mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot
who posts here with references to colostomy bags ......

That's wogie wussman for sure, he has a real fixation for colostomy
bags. Don't ask, you don't want to know why.

I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an
appreciation in younger people for the service.

Nothing, all he can do is complain about the older generation.

General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is
too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit.

I think you nailed johnnyboy.

Yesterday was a day I
will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his
no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times
before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I
see on this list and in other places.

KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Hooray for Matt!

Buzzard:

I think everyone is just waiting for the oldsters who can't accept
change to die... and that is what will be occurring from here on out...
grab a seat the future unfolds before us... it waits for no man...

.... all we are talking about here is being part of the solution, or part
of the problem--I can see the lines are well divided and in little
danger of changing--the grim reaper will now make the final decision...

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:

... you guys just don't get it do you? My whole point is that all
you are about is personal attacks and not about any real
discussion--to which you supply another personal attack as if that
doesn't prove my point.... get a clue.... you constantly
demonstrate that you are self-serving and into attacking any person
who presents any part of the problem--since you benefit from the
existing problem...

Looks like you are the one that just dosen't get it johnnyboy. The
older generation isn't just a bunch of usless people taking up space
here on this earth as you seem to think. It seems you are the
self-serving one, you don't want to be bothered by anyone older than
you, you seem to think you have all the answers. Got news for you
johnnyboy, you don't, many of that older generation you seem to
despise quite often know more than you ever will.

From: "garigue" on Tues 21 Jun 2005 22:44


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Yep, more attacks, no solutions offered... but then, that is quite
natural for here... now back to:

1) analyze the problem to death.
2) claim there is nothing wrong
3) claim even if there is something wrong, nothing will work to fix it.
4) pretend no one notices what is really going on
5) go back to the few old guys on the net and rant with them.
6) pretend that we will live forever
7) argue one new license a year is enough
8) don't ask the people who are NOT hams why they don't get a license
9) if they tell us why--deny that it is a valid reason
10) carry on as if it is still yesterday.
11) etc, etc, etc...

... yawn...

John

First of all John I see little humor in this discussion bringing into the
mix those poor souls with Alzheimer's syndrome ..... It is like the idiot
who posts here with references to colostomy bags ...... I sincerely hope
that either of you never have to go through that in your lives.

Wow. A LECTURE!

Tom, try to calm down and look at the big picture. Growing
dementia ("Alzheimer's") in older people and is a terrible
thing to observe up-close and personal. I'm quite familiar with
that, having watched my own mother go through that, little bit
by little bit every day, the last four years of her life in a
nursing home. I visited her every day and could see others in
the same hospital succumb slowly...and share the inner turmoil
of their family and friends watching their loved ones. The
same with those other patients having various physical damage
from injury or illness. Three hundred beds in that one
single-floor facility, seen every day.

Go ahead, make my day, try to lecture ME on "taking all that so
very, very seriously" about handicaps and illnesses...

I am still awaiting John for specifics on what you have done to foster an
appreciation in younger people for the service.

Not a requirement of amateur radio licensing, Tom.

General bitching about the way things are won't cut it ...that my friend is
too easy and is the tact of a pontificating twit.

...and you are as guilty as anything of doing the SAME
"pontificating" about Alzheimer's suffering.

It's no more, no less of a pontification than all the high and
mighty amateur extras in here praising the glory and majesty
and "necessity" of morse code testing or rank-status-privilege
"due them" in a HOBBY activity involving radio.

Yesterday was a day I
will always remember at our club meeting. Matt, a teen with a LD passed his
no code. He studied his backside off for the test ....took it 3 times
before. I have more respect for that young fellow than incessant moaners I
see on this list and in other places.

Now that's just a wonderful thing...out of the blue comes a nice
MORAL LECTURE about a younger person "overcoming all obstacles"
"despite physical handicaps" "working hard, hard, hard to pass
a test." Reads like second-rate Reader's Digest material.

I've never met that young person, Tom, just like YOU have never
met hundreds of other sufferers of various things...which I don't
mention in here because they don't apply to THE SUBJECTS AT HAND
either.

At stake is some federal regulations regarding amateur radio, a
HOBBY activity, a recreational pursuit done for personal
enjoyment. "Overcoming obstacles" is NOT a part of the overall
picture. Morality lectures to others don't help a bit...except
to cure the lecturer's mild rage at others not taking things
so damn "seriously" as the lecturer does.

Oh, wow, "overcoming the obstacle of learning morse code!"
Terrific emotionally-loaded over-limit baggage. The real question
ought to be the TEST itself and why it "must" be passed just to
enjoy a radio hobby below 30 MHz. But, that isn't a thing for you
or anyone else who has already passed that TEST, is it? The real
purpose is to keep on with the myth where "hard, hard WORK" is
such a "moral necessity" and perhaps - in a screwball perverse
way - somehow closer to Godliness?

I've known, seen, been around all sorts of folks with handicaps,
just as I've already legally and successfully operated on HF in
five other radio services other than amateur radio. Any TEST
for a LICENSE is just a regulatory tool of the federal government.
That license is NOT an academic achievement, is NOT soem magic
talisman that one "Must" posssess in order to operate any radio
transmitter below 30 MHz. Morsemanship isn't a "qualification"
to operate below 30 MHz...I was long-ago perfectly qualified to
operate a radio transmitter below 30 MHz without morse code smarts
and did. That morse TEST is an artificiality of old-time emotion
that has long-since passed its usefulness. The TEST itself, and
the license, is just a regulatory tool...for a radio HOBBY.

Those who want to preach a ham radio LIFESTYLE will be outraged
at the above. TS. I got a new punch and am set for lots of
cards. I'm a bit sick and tired of these emotionally-loaded
MORALITY plays by the self-righteous unfolding in this stage.
A lot of readers are feeling the same way. Put on a bad
performance and you get bad reviews. TS. That's show biz...