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#51
July 22nd 05, 02:25 AM
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Remember that 14.313 was that way back in the days of 13wpm generals... And that HF didn't go down the toilet after Restructuring 2000 happened. Yep Bob it is not the end of western civilization as we know it ...that will come when we will get a work any where with an any mode structure. I really can't see the need for this to happen but it will. At present there are loads of bandwidth out there that are not being utilized. Anyone who has been on the air over the last 20 years can see the decline in usage of CW and I may also add phone. This is just the way it is ...all one has to do is to look with in 3 feet of them and they will find the answer. The computer has been an adjunct to ham radio and a very interesting one at that but it also has swept ops off of the bands. We will survive in one form or another ...progress is progress or so it seems. I am sure that there will be someone 2-300 yrs from now on CW ....it is just to eloquent to simply dry up and blow away. Back to 40 CW and my state of the art EICO 723. Take care everyone ..... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
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#52
July 22nd 05, 02:26 AM
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Go he
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi to file a comment. The proceeding number is "05-235". I did my comment, I said "Do it". |
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#53
July 22nd 05, 02:28 AM
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robert:
Yes, in fact you should get ready for the flood of anxious cw'ers... I'd go there now and wait if I were you, and wait, and wait, and wait... grin .... don't kid yourself. John "robert casey" wrote in message nk.net... As I often said in the past 5 years, when FCC wrote that code testing served no regulatory purpose other than treaty compliance, the deal was essentially done. The amazing thing was that it's taken two years to get this far. More likely it took that long because the FCC had more important stuff to deal with. They didn't ban Morse Code. They just dropped the license test for it. CW will survive anyway. We ought to start CW training nets to get hams to get into CW. Use the old novice subbands for it. Sure, you'll hear lots of bad sending at first, but people will improve over time. |
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#54
July 22nd 05, 02:32 AM
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Dan:
I don't think you an idiot yet, don't make me re-evaluate my opinion by attacking me in a "girly-man maneuver" and attempting to put words in my mouth. I advocate nothing. Being a student of human nature, I am betting it will happen! John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message nk.net... So you are advocating the illegal jerks that got nailed (rightfully so) to now get the freebee give away new ham ticket right? Then come onto the ham bands and act in a same or worse manner against those that find following the rules a good thing? Right? Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... In one way, I can picture it being a "sad day." One of the posts here pointed out this possibility to me. For decades now a few of the guys (hams) here in my local area have terrorized CB'ers and freebanders. Invoking the FCC to send countless notices and confiscate equip and linears on a quite frequent basis. And, even two truck stops in the area have been favorite "hunting grounds" for these guys. Can you imagine the retaliation which is going to be spun against those hams which have been so inclined? The term "repaid in spades" occurs to me. I imagine some may forsake the hobby for other pursuits, or move to another area! Thank gawd I have always had enough common sense to practice the "good neighbor policy!" grin John wrote in message oups.com... http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-05-143A1.doc 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#56
July 22nd 05, 03:09 AM
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#57
July 22nd 05, 03:15 AM
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#59
July 22nd 05, 03:20 AM
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Dee:
You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Your words, "... I believe that there will be a de facto two class system." Did I misunderstand their intent of meaning? John Yes you did. It was simply a prediction of what I think will happen and had nothing to do with how anybody will feel about it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. I'm betting that it will go just like the NPRM is now and that is code elimination across the board. They specifically discussed the proposals that had that concept in it and discounted the possibility. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. You know I doubt this as those who really wanted General upgraded anyway. Of those who haven't upgraded yet, many are relatively inactive anyhow. As far as two license classes go, FCC is not considering it right now and it won't really matter what they do as I believe that there will be a de facto two class system. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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#60
July 22nd 05, 03:21 AM
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You have done it again. Naturally (being a stupid male), I expect women to be "emotion based", and you toss me a curve and a simple prediction--totally devoid of feelings... grin John All you have to do is keep in mind that I am an engineer. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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