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73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element 3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element
3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class. There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local level WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



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73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking element
3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up
before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class. There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local level
WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



Actually Kim, it supports the point of view that I've had all along. Namely
that, for the most part, those who wanted to upgrade did so despite the
Morse code and those who didn't upgrade were getting what they wanted out of
ham radio with their current license level.

Have you ever got involved with the local VHF traffic nets? This may or may
not be something that you would enjoy.

I personally enjoy HF and working DX (especially if I'm lucky enough to get
someone who wants to ragchew). My favorite band has always been 40m despite
the issue with the foreign broadcasters in our voice portion. The morning
(right around dawn) I worked New Zealand on 40m CW really started my day off
with a bang.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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"Kim" wrote in message
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I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class.
There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many
licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local level
WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



Actually Kim, it supports the point of view that I've had all along.
Namely
that, for the most part, those who wanted to upgrade did so despite the
Morse code and those who didn't upgrade were getting what they wanted out
of
ham radio with their current license level.

Have you ever got involved with the local VHF traffic nets? This may or
may
not be something that you would enjoy.


Absolutely. I've been Net Control, Asst Net Control and generally involved
with Traffic--back some time ago and only steadily for about six months on
the local scene. However, I served as Net Control for Navy MARS for about a
year and was a participant in Navy MARS for about 2 1/2 years. I really
enjoyed the traffic nets.

Then, while I was Hunt County ARES Emergency Coordinator, and a founder of a
local emergency service group, we had "traffic" at the beginning of every
net.


I personally enjoy HF and working DX (especially if I'm lucky enough to
get
someone who wants to ragchew). My favorite band has always been 40m
despite
the issue with the foreign broadcasters in our voice portion. The morning
(right around dawn) I worked New Zealand on 40m CW really started my day
off
with a bang.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Well, I should clarify. I adore HF operation, contesting when I happen upon
it, and ragchewing. However, as a matter of regular operation, VHF is my
freqs of choice. But, I do really enjoy HF. When we had radios hooked up,
the HF radio was always on in the office, usually at 28.400 so we could
listen there for any signals. I think that is what burned me out on the
noise. When Cliff would turn it off, I would feel like a million pounds had
been lifted! (I also can't stand the "wind" noise in A/C and air
ventilation devices). I'd almost rather broil than have A/C on when it is
noisy, or where I can hear it running. OH, and the tone of CW sends me just
about into a spiral after about 5 minutes of it. ANY droning, including
heavy metal guitars, and I am just a basket case...LOL

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Actually Kim, it supports the point of view that I've had all along.
Namely
that, for the most part, those who wanted to upgrade did so despite the
Morse code and those who didn't upgrade were getting what they wanted out
of
ham radio with their current license level.

Have you ever got involved with the local VHF traffic nets? This may or
may
not be something that you would enjoy.

I personally enjoy HF and working DX (especially if I'm lucky enough to
get
someone who wants to ragchew). My favorite band has always been 40m
despite
the issue with the foreign broadcasters in our voice portion. The morning
(right around dawn) I worked New Zealand on 40m CW really started my day
off
with a bang.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




Hello, Dee

Funny thing, that is what I used to love. Even trying out Spanish (when I
could speak a bit) for a half an hour with a Portugese station (I told him I
knew he spoke Portugese, but did he speak any Spanish as he knew little
English - he did and we had some fun).

I used to chat for hours on end with VK2NP, Norm, in Brisbane Australia via
teletype (ah the sound of those old clanking machines). He didn't even know
until about the fourth QSO that I was not using the tape reader. At a
leisurely 60 words per minute, I had to wait for the mechanical beast to
allow the key to depress and I kept it busy at full tilt (except when
sending such goodies as Santa Claus etc. - the old ascii - oops baudot -
'graphics' LOL). The 100 word per minute machines in the comm center were
something else. My best burst speed was around 92 words per minute and I
could never have fooled anyone.

Too bad so many spend hours arguing whilst there is a lot of fun to be had
on the air


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license are
probably not a significant number to really thwart the benefits which
are possible. Let's face it, marriage too is becoming a thing of the
past, and certainly is no longer a real lifetime commitment for the
younger generations. Gay marriage is probably the final nail in that
coffin.

The younger women of today are a different breed and don't want to be
seen as "getting something for nothing." (which might imply, at least
to some, that they are less able or intelligent)

I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much
more competitive)

I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women.
Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John

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73 de Jim, N2EY


Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they
are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking
element
3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up
before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse
code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their
is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class.
There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many
licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF
General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local
level WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much
noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be
no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



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Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license


Oh buhruther, that is almost a scarey comment--but I won't go there


are
probably not a significant number to really thwart the benefits which
are possible.


Hmmmm, yeah, I am not sure how anything would thwart a benefit...(?)


Let's face it, marriage too is becoming a thing of the
past, and certainly is no longer a real lifetime commitment for the
younger generations. Gay marriage is probably the final nail in that
coffin.


Uh oh. Yeah, 'dem gays is ruining everything. It's because of them that
parents don't raise their kids with enough gumption to make smart decisions
on love and marriage, and having kids. It's because of them that skillsets
to handle the baggage of everyday life aren't instilled by our society and,
therefore, our children. It's because of them (gays--to remind everyone)
that parents and educators are too busy getting their pockets lined and so
can't raise kids to have more dignity and respect than to go out as a
teen-ager and get pregnant. It's because of them that, well hell, let's
just lay it out there for everyone to see: it's because of those darned
friggin' faggots and lesbians that our whole damned world has gone to hell
in a handbasket.


The younger women of today are a different breed and don't want to be
seen as "getting something for nothing." (which might imply, at least
to some, that they are less able or intelligent)


OK, so wait a minute. One sentiment you express is that gays have ruined
the institution of marriage. The next, you are saying that "the younger
women of today" (spoken, it seems, as a true male chauvinist asshole, by the
way) have, ummmm, higher standards? Is this the same women who get all
those divorces, screw other womens' husbands, suck their boss'
you-know-whats, etc., as you mentioned above? The very same women who,
today, are so wrapped up in using their bodies and sex to get anything and
anywhere that the workplace has become a disgusting display of seething sex
fashions? Because, I want to make sure we are on the same page...uh, if
that's even possible?

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill.


I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much
more competitive)


You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-assed husbands get into it and get a radio. THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( )
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to
get out of that closet you're in.

Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.

Kim W5TIT


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Well now we will see if the Techs are paying attention. If they
are, we
should (but I bet we won't) see a major increase in people taking
element
3
over the next several months as the FCC should have this wrapped up
before
their CSCEs expire.

And now we'll see how many people have been "kept out by the Morse
code".
Of course we'll need to monitor over several years to see if their
is a
trend. A few months won't tell us a thing.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I am a TechPlus who never upgraded to General, or any other class.
There
are some considerations that may set me apart from the broad (no pun
intended) population of the ARS:

I am a female
I have a husband who is a General Class (i.e., not sure how many
licensees
are spouses to each other)--and I could, technically, get on HF
General
Class freqs any time I wanted
I enjoy simple ragchewing and emergency communications at a local
level WHEN
I am even "hooked up"
I enjoy the "quiet" mode of communicating--HF makes way too much
noise

There's probably some other differentiating items, and there may be
no
correlation at all.

Kim W5TIT



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Kim wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
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Kim:

I think a woman "taking a free ride" on her husbands license

Big snip to....

OK, back to reality. You are one piece of work. I am pretty convinced that
it's ridiculous for me to mention here that you are spewing a whole huge
trashcan of idiocy over: A WOMAN TALKING ON HAM RADIO WITH HER HUSBAND AS
CONTROL OPERATOR!!!! For friggin' cryin' out loud, dude, get a chill pill.

The point, I think, Kim, was that there was, once upon a time, a
suggestion to allow the spouse to operate a "unit" of an Amateur Radio
station just like CB or GMRS...

And ultimately that's what the patitioner was told...Get a GMRS
license!

I would venture a guess that at least half of under 35 year old women
would never stand for a free ride on their husbands license--choosing
to make a point they "have what it takes." (today's women are much
more competitive)

You friggin' nitwit. FIRST, you'd have to get half of the under-35 year old
women the slightest bit interested IN HAM RADIO and/or AT LEAST, help them
let their wimpy-###ed husbands get into it and get a radio.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?



THEN come back
to me and discuss this flood of estrogen on YOUR ham bands, k? Where'd
y'all drag this one up from?


I feel the dropping of CW will open this hobby up to these women.


Love it. Hey, Jim? While you're sitting there laughing hysterically ( )
Get a load of this: "these" women.


Even if they are only dating a guy which is in amateur radio, it may
be enough to prompt them into studying and grabbing a license of their
own--especially if the boyfriend is smart enough to set up a
competitive spirit and invoke the challenge. grin

John


Oh my good Lord. If you were sitting across the table from me, I'd have to
see your--uh, Dee, please close your eyes, oh wait, I can put it this way:
see your "thing." How tiny is that thing? You are speaking of
strong-willed, competive, and--I'll inject here--independent women, of whom
it is obvious you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE. Because THIS
strong-willed, competitve, independent woman, would shrivel your mighty
little thing up in half-a second and throw you back out to the curb. By the
way, if the women you have been around need your permission, or your
guidance, to get competitive and have the challenge "invoked," you need to
get out of that closet you're in.

Kim...if you were in Tennessee right now, or I in Texas, I'd have
only two words for a woman with an attitude like that...

SADDLE UP! =) =) =) =)

Oh my gawsh...now, I am going to go back to normal and get ready for the
office--where a *FEW* of us women still get around on our own. My little
pal here, to whom I am responding with this post, is obviously surrounded by
idiot women, the only types he can deal with.

A bit, uuh...dare I say it..."hormonal" are we, today...?!?!

=)

88

Steve, K4YZ

On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?

A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall: "Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ

John K.

I'd prefer Dee stating, "Don't be no girly-man, Now!!!

Then demanding, "Pick up that damn brass key and tap me out an
apology, NOW!" (leather and whips are optional, of course)
grin

John

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On 22 Jul 2005 06:34:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...A picture of a scantilly clad Schwartzenegger
brandishing an HT saying "Don't be a girlie girl....." maybe?

A smoking Desert Eagle in .50AE, an HT with a large hole in one side
and out the other, and Arnold uttering his excellent line (spoken to
a
recently deceased Sharon Stone) from the movie Total Recall:
"Consider
that a divorce!"

73 de John, KC2HMZ