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July 21st 05, 02:15 PM
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wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#3
July 21st 05, 05:58 PM
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! always with the obsessive attacks steve wel you can't spoil a day like this for me 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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July 22nd 05, 05:29 AM
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an_old_friend wrote: always with the obsessive attacks steve wel you can't spoil a day like this for me Why are you dragging your silliness into another thread, Markie? And any day with you in it has to be a spoiled day for SOMEone...... Steve, K4YZ |
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July 21st 05, 04:59 PM
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I agree. With the congestion on CB and there being only 40 chans for
all the truck drivers, four wheelers, base stations and freebanders, it is a mess. More bandwidth has been needed for over a decade. Most do want to chat with others in other countries, "skip" will be the mode of the day on HF--at least I'd imagine that to be the case. However, I have never seen a real case of where what actually happens is able to be "prophesized" accurately before the actual situation--it will be interesting to watch. John "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#6
July 22nd 05, 12:25 AM
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From: John Smith on Jul 21, 11:59 am
I agree. With the congestion on CB and there being only 40 chans for all the truck drivers, four wheelers, base stations and freebanders, it is a mess. More bandwidth has been needed for over a decade. More than THREE decades, John. CB is 47 years old. The sudden explosion of imported transceivers on the marketplace took place in the early 1960s. Most do want to chat with others in other countries, "skip" will be the mode of the day on HF--at least I'd imagine that to be the case. Sorry, you can't really say "skip" in here. That's a four- letter word used by CBers, as in "shooting skip." :-) One can still "pioneer the airwaves below 200 meters!" That's the MYTH. Of course the commercial and government and military people already did that early, used it, and moved on. :-) [I was there, on it, helping to use it, 50 years ago...] However, I have never seen a real case of where what actually happens is able to be "prophesized" accurately before the actual situation--it will be interesting to watch. No? Oh, my, I've met dozens of "nostrahamus" predictors in my time. The ham sky fell in 1958 when CODELESS, TESTLESS CB happened on HF!!! The ham sky fell in 1990 when FCC 90-53 created the NO CODE TEST Technician (ugh, ptui, spit) was to start in 1991. The ham sky fell in 1999 when the latest "restructuring" was ordered to take place in 2001 with the maximum rate of 5 WPM for ALL morse code tests! The ham sky has fallen so many times that it's a wonder the Earth hasn't turned into an ultra dense ball of neutrons. :-) WT Docket 05-235 is going to turn out to be more of a TITLE, RANK, PRIVILEGE bust for the ham "nobility." Oh, they will still trumpet their high-skill morsemanship as the "best of the best [morse] operators" and snarl at all others for being mere "yakkers into a mike." The snarls will still be there, frozen into rictus grins when they assume room temperature. The FCC defines U.S. amateur radio operators as (partly) having a "proven unique ability to enhance international goodwill." Funny, they don't comment about their unique ability to be as quarrelsome as possible domestically... It's a Great Day a Dawning! Huzzah! :-) |
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#7
July 22nd 05, 12:41 AM
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Yes, except for a little terrorist activity which has not proved to be
worth my worry lately--this dropping of CW seems to be the most exciting thing in some people life... yawn John wrote in message ups.com... From: John Smith on Jul 21, 11:59 am I agree. With the congestion on CB and there being only 40 chans for all the truck drivers, four wheelers, base stations and freebanders, it is a mess. More bandwidth has been needed for over a decade. More than THREE decades, John. CB is 47 years old. The sudden explosion of imported transceivers on the marketplace took place in the early 1960s. Most do want to chat with others in other countries, "skip" will be the mode of the day on HF--at least I'd imagine that to be the case. Sorry, you can't really say "skip" in here. That's a four- letter word used by CBers, as in "shooting skip." :-) One can still "pioneer the airwaves below 200 meters!" That's the MYTH. Of course the commercial and government and military people already did that early, used it, and moved on. :-) [I was there, on it, helping to use it, 50 years ago...] However, I have never seen a real case of where what actually happens is able to be "prophesized" accurately before the actual situation--it will be interesting to watch. No? Oh, my, I've met dozens of "nostrahamus" predictors in my time. The ham sky fell in 1958 when CODELESS, TESTLESS CB happened on HF!!! The ham sky fell in 1990 when FCC 90-53 created the NO CODE TEST Technician (ugh, ptui, spit) was to start in 1991. The ham sky fell in 1999 when the latest "restructuring" was ordered to take place in 2001 with the maximum rate of 5 WPM for ALL morse code tests! The ham sky has fallen so many times that it's a wonder the Earth hasn't turned into an ultra dense ball of neutrons. :-) WT Docket 05-235 is going to turn out to be more of a TITLE, RANK, PRIVILEGE bust for the ham "nobility." Oh, they will still trumpet their high-skill morsemanship as the "best of the best [morse] operators" and snarl at all others for being mere "yakkers into a mike." The snarls will still be there, frozen into rictus grins when they assume room temperature. The FCC defines U.S. amateur radio operators as (partly) having a "proven unique ability to enhance international goodwill." Funny, they don't comment about their unique ability to be as quarrelsome as possible domestically... It's a Great Day a Dawning! Huzzah! :-) |
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#8
July 21st 05, 08:28 PM
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"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve, So far (cross fingers) cw is legal *anywhere* in the ham bands (other than, I believe, 60 meters) so long as one's license class permits transmitting. I have, in the past, found it an excellent way of confounding someone who jumps on me (of course, that was when all amateurs had some ability on cw - a minimum of 13 words per minute on hf in the voice bands). Funny thing how Mike, W2OY's killerwatt couldn't touch my 75 watts LOL. Even funnier was the way his blood pressure was going up whilst I continued a nice contact with Ohio despite his best efforts. Both the other guy and I could handle cw quite well. After a number of "qrq" sent back and fourth, we were humming along at a nice rate, neither pushing speed limits nor plodding along. It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 45 words per minute and we continued for a good half hour more. Every now and then, I'd open the rx bandwidth to hear Mike screaming "take those toys down into the cw band". Sure, Mike, just don't hold your breath. snort 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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July 21st 05, 08:56 PM
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OMG:
I never thought about that, with the great influx of all these new hams firing up their keys and going CW on us, phone might be in danger!!! grin John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote: I agree with Dee, the only visible impact this latest "restructing" will be is another quickie bubble of upgrades and nothing more then back then the bands as usual. Yup. Then the "barrier" folks will find another excuse. Yep. Just like with Novice Enhancement, the introduction of the NCT and Restructuring... I find it laughable that the FCC would use the same worn out and obviously untrue language that "this" change will bring all those technically-oriented people into the Amateur fold. They said the exact same thing with the last three aforementioned evolutions and it wasn't true then. Indeed we dropped the Code Test in 91 for 97% of all Amateur allocations, including the highly sought after VHF/UHF spectrum. The REAL argument has been over that last 3%, or the HF allocations. So where were all those engineering-types then? People like "You-Know-Who" have been arguing that his ilk don't get licenses due to not being able to get on HF...Yet they ALSO argue that the license is most valuable for experimenting. Well...All of the REAL "experimenting" is going on ABOVE 30MHz, not below it, so the argument is moot. They, like everyone else, want to get on HF and "shoot skip", nothing more. I'm betting that it remains CW for Extra, and no code for Generals, unless the FCC want's to disband the phone-vs-narrow band subdivisions. I think there will be sufficient argument to keep that much. The next two arguments are going to be to squeeze all of the non-voice modes into 50 or 75KHz of spectrum on each band since all of those new codeless Generals will want to spead out, and to have only one or two license classes. When that is done we can remove all references to training and technical/operational competency from the Basis and Purpose of Part 97. Shortly thereafter we can move all of Part 97 to Part 95. Maybe re-write both parts into one, new, Part 96? Perhaps we can also add new bands at 061, 08, 04, 03 etc Meters so those claiming unfairness in testing criteria due to "dyslexia" can operate legally...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve, So far (cross fingers) cw is legal *anywhere* in the ham bands (other than, I believe, 60 meters) so long as one's license class permits transmitting. I have, in the past, found it an excellent way of confounding someone who jumps on me (of course, that was when all amateurs had some ability on cw - a minimum of 13 words per minute on hf in the voice bands). Funny thing how Mike, W2OY's killerwatt couldn't touch my 75 watts LOL. Even funnier was the way his blood pressure was going up whilst I continued a nice contact with Ohio despite his best efforts. Both the other guy and I could handle cw quite well. After a number of "qrq" sent back and fourth, we were humming along at a nice rate, neither pushing speed limits nor plodding along. It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 45 words per minute and we continued for a good half hour more. Every now and then, I'd open the rx bandwidth to hear Mike screaming "take those toys down into the cw band". Sure, Mike, just don't hold your breath. snort 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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July 21st 05, 11:32 PM
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... OMG: I never thought about that, with the great influx of all these new hams firing up their keys and going CW on us, phone might be in danger!!! grin John Hello, John Nope, but I've never encountered a foul word nor bad operating procedure on cw. 160 used to be fine, even on voice mode, but other bands were ... well, a bit different. With the 14.313 gang going a while back plus the 75 meter folks .... well, 80 meter cw sounds good to me LOL. The nice thing about cw is that there is seldom, if ever, rude operation (contests don't count. Never cared for 'em and it is going to be hot and heavy in a contest. That is part of the game. Not rude, just hot and heavy and sometimes a bit chaotic). SSB needs close to 3 kHz of room and the power is spread over that 3 kHz (albeit not evenly). You don't need more than a few hundred Hertz for cw, so once you set your bandwidth to 300 Hz or less, you've just obtained a good 10 dB attenuation of the guy trying to irritate you. Of course, you can reduce bandwidth a bit more, but the audio isn't evenly spread over the spectrum. In many cases you can gain 20 dB or more advantage. Mike was running 1 kw input vs my 75 watts. His bandwidth was 50% in the carrier (not to be heard) and the remaining 50% of his power was spread over 6 kHz as he was running am. I didn't even hear him. With a good notch filter, he didn't even have to hear me. He could have carried on a conversation on am with another station whilst I chatted with the other guy with virtually no mutual interference. Four stations in the same "channel" .... with no interference. Dang! I just may become more pro-code LOL  73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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