Mike:

Actually, I don't even consider whether I "like" you or not--but as
long as the discourse here is interesting--count me in!

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
news
John Smith wrote:
Dee:

Measure up?

Girl, take a look at the man holding the yardstick... a damn
midget!

'nuff said...

John doesn't seem to like me much, eh Dee?

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: "John Smith" on Fri 22 Jul 2005 16:44

Len:

Dumb it down a bit man, you have them confused!

Not my fault...they were confused when I first got here...:-)

Now they think they are clones! They even suspect you of being a
clone!!! (too much startrek when young I suppose.)

Careful there, "John," I watched the OS since the 3rd episode
aired in '67 (was away on biz trip for first two aired). :-)

The neo-20s, neo-30s Re-Enactor pioneers of the airwaves with
"CW" seem to think that ham radio is some kind of 25th Century
subspace radio. HUGE technology gap. But, no different than
the re-enactors of Civil War battles, Revolutionary War
battles, etc., etc. in this modern age.

Back just after the FIRST Gulf War, some BS slinger came in
here announcing he was a "colonel" (retired) and that his
son "was 'behind enemy lines' (supposedly in Iraq) and that
"he sent intel on CW" during that short, brief, brutal,
fast-moving ground action. Pure BS, of course. In 1990 the
military had grown out of the 1940 era of two-tube modulated
oscillator and super-regen battery portables and used a VHF-
UHF portable (PSQ-3) having a 1200 BPS "chiclet" keyboard
that relayed through the military aviation band and orbiting
aircraft (or satellites). The ground war lasted only about
four days with Plan 73 Easting topping ANYTHING that famed
Rommel panzerfausts couldn't hope to top. This BSing dingbat
had overloaded on antiquated History Channel footage or other
pipe-dreaming and wanted to be a "name" in here. Back in
1997 - before the announcement of the "restructuring" NPRM -
some PCTA (that's Pro-Code Test Advocate if you weren't here
back then) types still thought the military USED "CW" for
communications. They don't, but I couldn't convince anyone
(except a very few) of that. It upset their FANTASIES and
the high regard they had for their "valuable skill" (which
no other radio service wanted).

They want to be thought of as special, with each one having a "stark
in contrast" and "special religious fervor" to CW for their own very
PERSONAL and UNIQUE reasons...

Some seem to NEED being "better than others" on SOMETHING. :-)

They have spiffy ready-built radios (designed and built by
others) costing many $$$ or they have spiffy designed and
built by themselves for less than $100 (using state-of-the-
art vacuum tube technology of the 1990s). They use that
wonder of all radio modes, On-Off Keying of a Continuous
Wave carrier ("OOK CW"). Those PCTAs are probably very good
at this "CW" and could get a nice job as a "radio op" of the
1930s era in "shortwave communications." Trouble is, this
is the New Millennium and the year 2005. Ain't NO demand
for such "radio operators." But, they are the BEST! :-)

Some common arguments are "CW is what amateur radio is all
about!" or "CW is the heart and soul of amateur radio!" or
that "'Anyone' can learn morse"...provided they devote a
large part of their free time "to show their dedication and
committment to the amateur community!" Whoopee on the last
since that makes them top-notch radio ops for the 1930s...
75 years too late.

I've never seen the address of this "amateur community" or
seen it on a map...nor is there information on how this
"community" rates new amateurs...it must all be some kind of
transcendental telepathic ability from the epiphany of passing
a morse test.

Now, it's not all that absurd to label the CW fanatics as
members of the ARS...the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.
[not my original line, just picked up from another in here
and used unmercilessly] If they want to be "expert" at a
skill that is 75 years out of date, why "FB OM." Thanks,
but I prefer this New Millennium just fine after pursuing
a radio-electronics career begun over a half century ago,
working REAL HF comms en masse on 24/7 "DX" circuits.

I am afraid unless you are able to maintain that fantasy for
them--there is going to be trouble....
straight-faced-look

Well, "that's how it goes..." straight-faced look in return

The fantasizers keep insisting They ARE ham radio and
everybody (by damn) better well take that morse test in
order to be "as good as They." As the old latin phrase
has it, screum. :-)

bit bit

Len:

Do you think we should set up a website to help the hams to
transition and be accepted by the CB'ers which will be flooding in
like a lot of okies ready to pick cotton?

Maybe a dictionary of CB Terms and a list of the 10 Codes which are
accepted for use by the CB Community? Yanno, "10-fer Good Buddy", and
"I gotta go 10-100!", and "I just had a 10-33 in 'ma pants!", etc...

And, what about power requirements now? Do these hams here have "BEEG
LEENEAIRS?", big enough to be able to compete with monsters which are
coming in from CB? You know as well as I, those multi-kilowatt
pileups on 160 and 80 ain't gonna be pretty!

And, just think, the new pirate chans will probably reach down into AM
Broadcast Band... what about the hams down there listening to art bell
and his con man guest--wayne green? They aren't going to like that
interference yanno... frown

And, what about etiquette? Will these hams be able to adopt a quick
retarded drawl to their voices and speech, and more important--can
they do it and make it believable?

OMG, there is a lot to deal with Len, I am afraid we may not have time
enough to get the hams prepared for the new way of life on the bands!
Got any ideas to ease their transition period--poor buggers?

John

wrote in message
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From: "John Smith" on Fri 22 Jul 2005 16:44

Len:

Dumb it down a bit man, you have them confused!

Not my fault...they were confused when I first got here...:-)

Now they think they are clones! They even suspect you of being a
clone!!! (too much startrek when young I suppose.)

Careful there, "John," I watched the OS since the 3rd episode
aired in '67 (was away on biz trip for first two aired). :-)

The neo-20s, neo-30s Re-Enactor pioneers of the airwaves with
"CW" seem to think that ham radio is some kind of 25th Century
subspace radio. HUGE technology gap. But, no different than
the re-enactors of Civil War battles, Revolutionary War
battles, etc., etc. in this modern age.

Back just after the FIRST Gulf War, some BS slinger came in
here announcing he was a "colonel" (retired) and that his
son "was 'behind enemy lines' (supposedly in Iraq) and that
"he sent intel on CW" during that short, brief, brutal,
fast-moving ground action. Pure BS, of course. In 1990 the
military had grown out of the 1940 era of two-tube modulated
oscillator and super-regen battery portables and used a VHF-
UHF portable (PSQ-3) having a 1200 BPS "chiclet" keyboard
that relayed through the military aviation band and orbiting
aircraft (or satellites). The ground war lasted only about
four days with Plan 73 Easting topping ANYTHING that famed
Rommel panzerfausts couldn't hope to top. This BSing dingbat
had overloaded on antiquated History Channel footage or other
pipe-dreaming and wanted to be a "name" in here. Back in
1997 - before the announcement of the "restructuring" NPRM -
some PCTA (that's Pro-Code Test Advocate if you weren't here
back then) types still thought the military USED "CW" for
communications. They don't, but I couldn't convince anyone
(except a very few) of that. It upset their FANTASIES and
the high regard they had for their "valuable skill" (which
no other radio service wanted).

They want to be thought of as special, with each one having a "stark
in contrast" and "special religious fervor" to CW for their own very
PERSONAL and UNIQUE reasons...

Some seem to NEED being "better than others" on SOMETHING. :-)

They have spiffy ready-built radios (designed and built by
others) costing many $$$ or they have spiffy designed and
built by themselves for less than $100 (using state-of-the-
art vacuum tube technology of the 1990s). They use that
wonder of all radio modes, On-Off Keying of a Continuous
Wave carrier ("OOK CW"). Those PCTAs are probably very good
at this "CW" and could get a nice job as a "radio op" of the
1930s era in "shortwave communications." Trouble is, this
is the New Millennium and the year 2005. Ain't NO demand
for such "radio operators." But, they are the BEST! :-)

Some common arguments are "CW is what amateur radio is all
about!" or "CW is the heart and soul of amateur radio!" or
that "'Anyone' can learn morse"...provided they devote a
large part of their free time "to show their dedication and
committment to the amateur community!" Whoopee on the last
since that makes them top-notch radio ops for the 1930s...
75 years too late.

I've never seen the address of this "amateur community" or
seen it on a map...nor is there information on how this
"community" rates new amateurs...it must all be some kind of
transcendental telepathic ability from the epiphany of passing
a morse test.

Now, it's not all that absurd to label the CW fanatics as
members of the ARS...the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.
[not my original line, just picked up from another in here
and used unmercilessly] If they want to be "expert" at a
skill that is 75 years out of date, why "FB OM." Thanks,
but I prefer this New Millennium just fine after pursuing
a radio-electronics career begun over a half century ago,
working REAL HF comms en masse on 24/7 "DX" circuits.

I am afraid unless you are able to maintain that fantasy for
them--there is going to be trouble....
straight-faced-look

Well, "that's how it goes..." straight-faced look in return

The fantasizers keep insisting They ARE ham radio and
everybody (by damn) better well take that morse test in
order to be "as good as They." As the old latin phrase
has it, screum. :-)

bit bit

From: John Smith on Jul 23, 11:59 am

Do you think we should set up a website to help the hams to
transition and be accepted by the CB'ers which will be flooding in
like a lot of okies ready to pick cotton?

No.

These olde-tyme hammes will do ALL the "help" just as they
have "helped" others in the past.

For example, in 1958 the FCC deallocated the 11m band from
hams and created Class C and D CB. Oh, the Hue and Cry they
raised in the US of A! Imagine, below-30-MHz privileges
WITHOUT TESTING FOR MORSE CODE! Imagine, NO TEST AT ALL TO
GET A FEDERALLY-AUTHORIZED LICENSE!!

All them olde-tymers quickly got into action to Demand Their
Big Band Sound BACK! They're still working on getting it
back. :-)


Maybe a dictionary of CB Terms and a list of the 10 Codes which are
accepted for use by the CB Community? Yanno, "10-fer Good Buddy", and
"I gotta go 10-100!", and "I just had a 10-33 in 'ma pants!", etc...

I'd rather see a "dictionary" of ham terms and what they
REALLY mean...like "your sig is 599 here!" or "FB on that,
OM" or things like spoken "hi hi."

Or all them obscure Q codes that all are supposed to memorize
by heart or something...to sound very "IN" to radio.

insert sound of stifled laughter here

And, what about etiquette? Will these hams be able to adopt a quick
retarded drawl to their voices and speech, and more important--can
they do it and make it believable?

They have and they do. Heard them do it over the years.
Not a pretty sound. But they don't really care HOW they
sound...they ain't in broadcasting nor do they get paid for
what they do. They are HAMS!


OMG, there is a lot to deal with Len, I am afraid we may not have time
enough to get the hams prepared for the new way of life on the bands!
Got any ideas to ease their transition period--poor buggers?

None at all...for the money you are offering.

I haven't been able to "ease" the olde-tyme hammes out of
their stuck-in-the-1930s-standards-and-practices rut for
years. So few know "life" in any other radio service and
their raddddios seldom tune outside of ham bands.

Not to worry, Yanno Smith. Ain't gonna be the "overrun"
of the (HF) ham bands. All those elmering olde-tymers done
discouraged so many for so long with their obsessive NEEDS
to test for morse that most others have simply moved on...

The playground is safe for the Mighty Macho Morsemen. Long
may they beep. Burp.

Say hello to your brother Yanni, Yanno.

bit bit

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
Dee:

Measure up?

Girl, take a look at the man holding the yardstick... a damn midget!

'nuff said...

John doesn't seem to like me much, eh Dee?

- Mike KB3EIA -

From what I've even noticed of this nitwit, so far, Mike--you're a far more
interesting person than he. And, I suspect, a person I'd find better to be
in the company of.

Kim W5TIT



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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Kim wrote:

Anyway, came into this late, and it chaps my hide to see people
expecting
others to "measure up" to, what: their importance, or something? I
don't
know...maybe I am misunderstanding this one post I've read in this
thread.

Don't get chapped Kim! There are a lot of different people in the
world, with all kinds of different ideas on how things "ought to be".


I suspect if we continue communicating in the way people usually do on
newsgroups (by responding to previous text), then Little Johnny will get
tired of reading and, well, he just doesn't have time to do it this way

Anyway, absolutel. I wasn't really miffed about the idea of "it takes all
kinds." What gets me is when I am "expected" to live up to something in ham
radio. I took my test(s) to get my license(s). That's it. That's all it
takes. And, I hope that if anyone is perusing the newsgroup, they will get
the idea that they don't have to live up to anything to be an amateur radio
operator. They'll find someone just like them on the air...no doubt.


My version of that is that people should have respect for each other, and
be considerate of each other. I also like the concept of bettering ones
self through acquisition of knowledge and skills, and that people should
be an asset to, and to give back to their communities. I'm also aware
that a lot of people think that my ideas are some sort of sugar coated
dreck.


Yes, I like that idea as well. But, I don't begrudge anyone who'd rather
not and/or who is happy with what they have or where they are. For
instance, IF I ever get back into ham radio (other than just having a
ticket), I am happy enough playing around on VHF, mostly 2-M, mostly voice.
There's lots of us who are and who'll never be much interested in any of the
rest of amateur radio. I've played with other modes and always come back
home to VHF voice. It "angers" me to think of people who expect more than
that. I expect nothing of anyone in, save what you said about just being a
decent person.


My sole failing is that I get a bit of enjoyment in knowing that that
irritates the crap out of some people for some reason! 8^)


Aw, that's not a failing. Think about it: it's mostly a failing of THEIRS
to get irritated.


Well okay - its not my only failing. Mr Anderson and Mr Smith can
probably fill you in on the others....


I won't speak of Len. I think he's a great agitator and I love great
agitators (from an observing perspective, mind you--I can't stand being in
it myself...LOL). "Mr. Smith" is somewhat disturbed and that concerns me.
However, once on guard with someone and I am always pretty much on guard
with that person. I have a feeling he's a bit of a misfit and plays to the
meek minded--no offense to anyone.


Okay, for them, but I'm not going to change my mind.

Kim W5TIT
Not planning on trying to measure up to anything, but my own
expectations of
myself.

We can't really ask for much more!

- Mike KB3EIA -


Well, especially since I really do demand a lot of myself. LOL

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Len:

Consider it done, Yanni will be greeted in your name...

Well, I suppose you know what you are talkin' about, you have been
their baby sitter all these years.

However, sometimes it is difficult to even know a CB'er is on band and
CQ DX'ing... some have accused the CB'er of "hanging a carrier" in an
attempt to block communications when this happens...

That isn't the case though and the hams should be warned... have them
just listen closely, if they hear the sound of drooling--that is the
CB'er attempting to communicate--when he un-keys, (the CB'er) on
phone, just have 'em go ahead with the QSO--although in this state the
CB'ers eyes are glazed over--I am still pretty sure he is able to
comprehend every-other-word or so...
grin

John

wrote in message
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From: John Smith on Jul 23, 11:59 am

Do you think we should set up a website to help the hams to
transition and be accepted by the CB'ers which will be flooding in
like a lot of okies ready to pick cotton?

No.

These olde-tyme hammes will do ALL the "help" just as they
have "helped" others in the past.

For example, in 1958 the FCC deallocated the 11m band from
hams and created Class C and D CB. Oh, the Hue and Cry they
raised in the US of A! Imagine, below-30-MHz privileges
WITHOUT TESTING FOR MORSE CODE! Imagine, NO TEST AT ALL TO
GET A FEDERALLY-AUTHORIZED LICENSE!!

All them olde-tymers quickly got into action to Demand Their
Big Band Sound BACK! They're still working on getting it
back. :-)


Maybe a dictionary of CB Terms and a list of the 10 Codes which are
accepted for use by the CB Community? Yanno, "10-fer Good Buddy",
and
"I gotta go 10-100!", and "I just had a 10-33 in 'ma pants!", etc...

I'd rather see a "dictionary" of ham terms and what they
REALLY mean...like "your sig is 599 here!" or "FB on that,
OM" or things like spoken "hi hi."

Or all them obscure Q codes that all are supposed to memorize
by heart or something...to sound very "IN" to radio.

insert sound of stifled laughter here

And, what about etiquette? Will these hams be able to adopt a quick
retarded drawl to their voices and speech, and more important--can
they do it and make it believable?

They have and they do. Heard them do it over the years.
Not a pretty sound. But they don't really care HOW they
sound...they ain't in broadcasting nor do they get paid for
what they do. They are HAMS!


OMG, there is a lot to deal with Len, I am afraid we may not have
time
enough to get the hams prepared for the new way of life on the
bands!
Got any ideas to ease their transition period--poor buggers?

None at all...for the money you are offering.

I haven't been able to "ease" the olde-tyme hammes out of
their stuck-in-the-1930s-standards-and-practices rut for
years. So few know "life" in any other radio service and
their raddddios seldom tune outside of ham bands.

Not to worry, Yanno Smith. Ain't gonna be the "overrun"
of the (HF) ham bands. All those elmering olde-tymers done
discouraged so many for so long with their obsessive NEEDS
to test for morse that most others have simply moved on...

The playground is safe for the Mighty Macho Morsemen. Long
may they beep. Burp.

Say hello to your brother Yanni, Yanno.

bit bit

wrote:
No.

These olde-tyme hammes will do ALL the "help" just as they
have "helped" others in the past.

For example, in 1958 the FCC deallocated the 11m band from
hams and created Class C and D CB. Oh, the Hue and Cry they
raised in the US of A! Imagine, below-30-MHz privileges
WITHOUT TESTING FOR MORSE CODE! Imagine, NO TEST AT ALL TO
GET A FEDERALLY-AUTHORIZED LICENSE!!

All them olde-tymers quickly got into action to Demand Their
Big Band Sound BACK! They're still working on getting it
back. :-)


And like other fools you attempt to keep the myth alive. In 40+ years of
hamming I have never heard one ham (that inclueds the olde-tyme hammes)
that complained about about the loss of 11 meters. The hams had 10
meters where they operated and rarely used 11, so the loss to the ham
community was nothing.

The fewer regulations there are on the books, the less enforcement
they have to do. I am surprised they haven't tried to "outsource"
their enforcement duties.

I do hear rumous they have looked into that


Uh huh.

Rumors.


Just set up a few radio monitoring stations in Mexico or
India....

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:
No.

These olde-tyme hammes will do ALL the "help" just as they
have "helped" others in the past.

For example, in 1958 the FCC deallocated the 11m band from
hams and created Class C and D CB. Oh, the Hue and Cry they
raised in the US of A! Imagine, below-30-MHz privileges
WITHOUT TESTING FOR MORSE CODE! Imagine, NO TEST AT ALL TO
GET A FEDERALLY-AUTHORIZED LICENSE!!

All them olde-tymers quickly got into action to Demand Their
Big Band Sound BACK! They're still working on getting it
back. :-)


And like other fools you attempt to keep the myth alive. In 40+ years of
hamming I have never heard one ham (that inclueds the olde-tyme hammes)
that complained about about the loss of 11 meters. The hams had 10
meters where they operated and rarely used 11, so the loss to the ham
community was nothing.

well ole Stvie complained (k4yz) as did yodoc and MD the later too not
active

heard In person K0HMO coomplain loudly and often a fewe other who's
call I don't remeber, and that in less than 10 years