RADIOA HAMS: IT WILL NO LONGER BE NECESSARY TO KNOW MORSE
(AGI) - Rome, Italy, July 23 - To gain an amateur radio

operator's licence it will no longer be necessary to take

a test in Morse Code. Communications Minister, Mario

Landolfi, has signed the decree to eliminate such a test

already abolished some time ago by other countries. "The

Morse alphabet is certainly not pensioned off, but it is -

Landolfi said - a decision due to technological evolution

and the necessity of changing with the times. The bodies

that carried out the tests will remain active, as I have

proposed, for young people and fans, continuing to

recall the importance of the Morse Code for over 160

years. And furthermore there will be a room dedicated to

this at the Museum of Post and Telecommunications in

Rome." (AGI) -

WHO CARES, Ham radio is dead CB is King

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"Bruce" wrote in message
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WHO CARES, Ham radio is dead CB is King



King for reliable 3 mile communications LOL.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Hello, John

With a reliable daytime communications range of perhaps 5 miles in this city
(up to 20 miles at 3 am in the morning when most folks are asleep), if you
multiply reliable communications range by the number of folks, cb will fall
short. Even shorter if you need a good reliable 100 or 200 mile range 24/7.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
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Naaa, CB has just absorbed amateur radio. Heck, what could we expect,
they out number hams a few times over!

John

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
WHO CARES, Ham radio is dead CB is King

John,

Sorry if I'm not impressed; 75 and 40 meters are good for hundreds of miles
on low power; thousands of miles at night. I ran 25 watts on 160 meters and
was good to cover the United States at night.

Power is not everything. The ability to change frequencies (I'm talking
decades, not channels) will determine what distances you can send and
receive well to. I remember well breaking into a group on 75 meters in the
Carolinas. I was running well under 1 watt. Way *way* under 1 watt.

160 meters did me quite well even in the daytime. Check in to ground wave.
Not what you think of ground wave (which is space wave); true ground wave.
At that frequency, if you have it vertically polarized, the wave will react
to the curvature of the earth as a knife edge. I could pound into
Washington, D.C. in the afternoon. With all of 65 watts.

My handheld reaches into Canada 24/7. On 440 MHz. Of course, I have to
rely on a decent Canadian repeater for that, but the fact is that I hit a
Canadian repeater directly from the handheld with no Internet involved.

On hf, the proper choice (I'll leave 160 out of this as the antennas are
quite unwieldy) between 80 and 40 will allow you several hundred miles 24/7.
With a modest amount of power.

So I remain unimpressed with power alone. I buzzed right through a kilowatt
station years ago running only 75 watts. It isn't the size of the ship;
it's the motion through the ocean )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Jim:

In my area, 250 watts is the norm on CB, probably about ~25% of all other
stations are 400 watts and better. A lot of the truckers have kilowatt+
rigs in their trucks... there are a handful of 5-50 watt stations out there.

Omnidirectional antenna rule the airways, but there are beams, yagis,
quads, and other CB specific directional antennas about (the scanner is one
example, ancient antenna made by antenna specialists and lots still around.)

Freebanders and pirate stations abound.

It is possible to reach out 50+ miles here on the valley floor if the
channels are quite with a 100 watt linear in your mobile (2-6 am in the
morning) otherwise 10-30 miles is about it.

Channel 17 is the truckers chan though the central valley here, most of
calif I think.

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Hello, John

With a reliable daytime communications range of perhaps 5 miles in this
city
(up to 20 miles at 3 am in the morning when most folks are asleep), if
you
multiply reliable communications range by the number of folks, cb will
fall
short. Even shorter if you need a good reliable 100 or 200 mile range
24/7.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Naaa, CB has just absorbed amateur radio. Heck, what could we expect,
they out number hams a few times over!

John

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
WHO CARES, Ham radio is dead CB is King

John Smith wrote:
Jim:

In my area, 250 watts is the norm on CB, probably about ~25% of all other stations are 400 watts and better. A lot of the truckers have kilowatt+ rigs in their trucks... there are a handful of 5-50 watt stations out there.

gee making feel odd am I the only fellow that run a CB at 4 watt am 12
ssb level allowed by rule?


Omnidirectional antenna rule the airways, but there are beams, yagis, quads, and other CB specific directional antennas about (the scanner is one example, ancient antenna made by antenna specialists and lots still around.)

Freebanders and pirate stations abound.

It is possible to reach out 50+ miles here on the valley floor if the channels are quite with a 100 watt linear in your mobile (2-6 am in the morning) otherwise 10-30 miles is about it.

Channel 17 is the truckers chan though the central valley here, most of calif I think.

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ...
Hello, John

With a reliable daytime communications range of perhaps 5 miles in this city
(up to 20 miles at 3 am in the morning when most folks are asleep), if you
multiply reliable communications range by the number of folks, cb will fall
short. Even shorter if you need a good reliable 100 or 200 mile range 24/7.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Naaa, CB has just absorbed amateur radio. Heck, what could we expect,
they out number hams a few times over!

John

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
WHO CARES, Ham radio is dead CB is King

Jim Hampton wrote:
John,

Sorry if I'm not impressed; 75 and 40 meters are good for hundreds of miles
on low power; thousands of miles at night. I ran 25 watts on 160 meters and
was good to cover the United States at night.

Power is not everything. The ability to change frequencies (I'm talking
decades, not channels) will determine what distances you can send and
receive well to. I remember well breaking into a group on 75 meters in the
Carolinas. I was running well under 1 watt. Way *way* under 1 watt.

In a contest a couple years ago, I discovered that I was working a lot
of stations on the west coast at qrp level. I had tuned my antenna at
low power, and forgotten to increase the power level. With my plain old
vanilla 96 foot dipole at 50 feet. If I could hear 'em, I could work
them. Funny - if you go to some of the antenna gurus, they'll let you
know what a horrible antenna that is - good only for warming clouds...

160 meters did me quite well even in the daytime. Check in to ground wave.
Not what you think of ground wave (which is space wave); true ground wave.
At that frequency, if you have it vertically polarized, the wave will react
to the curvature of the earth as a knife edge. I could pound into
Washington, D.C. in the afternoon. With all of 65 watts.

My handheld reaches into Canada 24/7. On 440 MHz. Of course, I have to
rely on a decent Canadian repeater for that, but the fact is that I hit a
Canadian repeater directly from the handheld with no Internet involved.

On hf, the proper choice (I'll leave 160 out of this as the antennas are
quite unwieldy) between 80 and 40 will allow you several hundred miles 24/7.
With a modest amount of power.

Amazing what can happen on 40 meters with a relatively simple antenna
and a few watts. During the NEQP, some of the Hams up there have accused
me of melting their coax! 8^)

So I remain unimpressed with power alone. I buzzed right through a kilowatt
station years ago running only 75 watts. It isn't the size of the ship;
it's the motion through the ocean )

Sometimes I think a little propagation education might be in order for
some folk. I still remember the fellow who was going to have a bulletin
on 10 meters, then 20 meters. For American coverage, those are two of
the *least* likely HF bands I would choose.

Not that I would choose to broadcast on our bands.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
John,

Sorry if I'm not impressed; 75 and 40 meters are good for hundreds of
miles
on low power; thousands of miles at night. I ran 25 watts on 160 meters
and
was good to cover the United States at night.

Power is not everything. The ability to change frequencies (I'm talking
decades, not channels) will determine what distances you can send and
receive well to. I remember well breaking into a group on 75 meters in
the
Carolinas. I was running well under 1 watt. Way *way* under 1 watt.

160 meters did me quite well even in the daytime. Check in to ground
wave.
Not what you think of ground wave (which is space wave); true ground wave.
At that frequency, if you have it vertically polarized, the wave will
react
to the curvature of the earth as a knife edge. I could pound into
Washington, D.C. in the afternoon. With all of 65 watts.

My handheld reaches into Canada 24/7. On 440 MHz. Of course, I have to
rely on a decent Canadian repeater for that, but the fact is that I hit a
Canadian repeater directly from the handheld with no Internet involved.

On hf, the proper choice (I'll leave 160 out of this as the antennas are
quite unwieldy) between 80 and 40 will allow you several hundred miles
24/7.
With a modest amount of power.

So I remain unimpressed with power alone. I buzzed right through a
kilowatt
station years ago running only 75 watts. It isn't the size of the ship;
it's the motion through the ocean )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



heh heh, Jim...I think you're probably above this guy's ability to, well,
understand

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

I know you have been offended, and now you wish to attack, belittle, defame and
outrage the object of your dislike and/or hatred (me!)

However, be careful, in your attacks you may end up disclosing far more about
your own personality, your mind and your caliber than you would wish to
disclose.

You do not need all the others to band with you in your attack of me, indeed,
it is counter productive to your goals. Stand on your own two feed, Dee has set
an example of a strong/intelligent woman able to defend herself, stand others
back from her "space" and win the respect which she rightly deserves--you would
be well advised to study the high standards and excellent example(s) she sets.

There is nothing real to fear here, we are all ladies and gentlemen (well,
mostly.)

If you have noticed that I, "March to the beat of another drummer." You are
correct. If you call me a, "Non-conformer", you are again correct. If you
call me a "free thinker" you are again correct. If you point out there may be
few who have my personality traits, I suspect you may indeed be correct.

If you expect those to be reasons which would make me "want to be like everyone
else" you are mistaken.

In short, "I do not shame into 'my place' easily." You may wish to pick a
different tool to use on me.

Warmest regards,
John

"Kim" wrote in message
t...
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
John,

Sorry if I'm not impressed; 75 and 40 meters are good for hundreds of
miles
on low power; thousands of miles at night. I ran 25 watts on 160 meters
and
was good to cover the United States at night.

Power is not everything. The ability to change frequencies (I'm talking
decades, not channels) will determine what distances you can send and
receive well to. I remember well breaking into a group on 75 meters in
the
Carolinas. I was running well under 1 watt. Way *way* under 1 watt.

160 meters did me quite well even in the daytime. Check in to ground
wave.
Not what you think of ground wave (which is space wave); true ground wave.
At that frequency, if you have it vertically polarized, the wave will
react
to the curvature of the earth as a knife edge. I could pound into
Washington, D.C. in the afternoon. With all of 65 watts.

My handheld reaches into Canada 24/7. On 440 MHz. Of course, I have to
rely on a decent Canadian repeater for that, but the fact is that I hit a
Canadian repeater directly from the handheld with no Internet involved.

On hf, the proper choice (I'll leave 160 out of this as the antennas are
quite unwieldy) between 80 and 40 will allow you several hundred miles
24/7.
With a modest amount of power.

So I remain unimpressed with power alone. I buzzed right through a
kilowatt
station years ago running only 75 watts. It isn't the size of the ship;
it's the motion through the ocean )


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



heh heh, Jim...I think you're probably above this guy's ability to, well,
understand

Kim W5TIT