Have you ever seen a "gentleman ham" recently?

Something happened to all the old guys who welcomed new members into their
ranks?

Held instruction/tutorials at their homes and public forums.

Instructed rather than wished to control others...

It is a real shame, but the caliber of amateurs is equal or below the chicken
banders in this brave new world...

John

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John Smith wrote:
we have a "gentleman's agreement" here to use capitals and proper
punctuation

i think it is so those who cannot extrapolate off their grade school english
educations can participate

john

have you ever found any of the gentlemen who go around making all these
agreements? I suppose they must be awfully busy


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John Smith wrote:
Have you ever seen a "gentleman ham" recently?

Yes I have his name was Scot KB9NXL

His license class howver was tech plus, he was also the first Ham I
tlaked to on the air, and recoved well when he learned I was using one
of the other band on the multiband repeater

(based on the fact that the 440 HT was on sale compred to the 2M one I
got the 440)

Something happened to all the old guys who welcomed new members into their
ranks?

something did happen to them I have never seen one in person, and not
talked to one on the air that I know of


Held instruction/tutorials at their homes and public forums.

yea

Instructed rather than wished to control others...

Indeed mine KB9NXL loved morse code was his favorite modebut he was
able to respect that I truely loath the mode, and we became and remain
friends

It is a real shame, but the caliber of amateurs is equal or below the chicken
banders in this brave new world...

from what I hear below but then what hear on CB that is bad is merely
vulgar, what I hear that is bad on Ham radio is bigotry in better
language I prefer the vulgar to the bigoted

John

"an old friend" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
we have a "gentleman's agreement" here to use capitals and proper
punctuation

i think it is so those who cannot extrapolate off their grade school english
educations can participate

john

have you ever found any of the gentlemen who go around making all these
agreements? I suppose they must be awfully busy


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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I am afraid all you are seeing is that CB accurately reflects the condition of
"the world."

The "F word" is considered proper etiquette onboard campus... Indeed, even
professors have been know to utter it...

Society is not controlled though regulation of radio...

John

"an old friend" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
Have you ever seen a "gentleman ham" recently?

Yes I have his name was Scot KB9NXL

His license class howver was tech plus, he was also the first Ham I
tlaked to on the air, and recoved well when he learned I was using one
of the other band on the multiband repeater

(based on the fact that the 440 HT was on sale compred to the 2M one I
got the 440)

Something happened to all the old guys who welcomed new members into their
ranks?

something did happen to them I have never seen one in person, and not
talked to one on the air that I know of


Held instruction/tutorials at their homes and public forums.

yea

Instructed rather than wished to control others...

Indeed mine KB9NXL loved morse code was his favorite modebut he was
able to respect that I truely loath the mode, and we became and remain
friends

It is a real shame, but the caliber of amateurs is equal or below the
chicken
banders in this brave new world...

from what I hear below but then what hear on CB that is bad is merely
vulgar, what I hear that is bad on Ham radio is bigotry in better
language I prefer the vulgar to the bigoted

John

"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


John Smith wrote:
we have a "gentleman's agreement" here to use capitals and proper
punctuation

i think it is so those who cannot extrapolate off their grade school
english
educations can participate

john

have you ever found any of the gentlemen who go around making all these
agreements? I suppose they must be awfully busy


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an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
cut
You miss the point, Mark. Nobody can read some of the stuff
you post.

Any literate person can read it. Making sense out of it is
another matter.

Jim I have been coutesous to on this but you are straining my
ability to do so

"Coutesous to on this"??

Did you mean "courteous to you on this"?

If so, why didn't you write it that way the first time?

Courtesy means you would at least *try* using a spellchecker,
and some capitalization, and some punctuation. But you
steadfastly refuse to do any of that.

How can you use CW a medium completely without
error correction and be
unable to work the meaning of simple text
with the leasure of time and
the abilty to look at the context

You obviously don't understand "error correction".

The purpose of error correction is to
identify and correct errors that occur
in the transmission medium - assuming the
message is sent correctly in the first place!

What you expect is for readers of your stuff
to translate it into readable English. And if
they have difficulty, you say it's *their*
problem.

That's not how CW/Morse Code works at all.

People can follow my typing the first
draft with no polishing
turned
into CW on air and yet you claim you can't follow it in text

I don't think you've ever used CW on the air.

How is that possible?

Do you have an exaplintion why The level of
difficulties for people in
reading my stuff here in this newsgroup
declines as support for code
testing increases, indeedanywhere I post
it seem that the abilty to
read and understands declines with the
degree of their agreement

I frankly suspect that what the problem is, is simply that
people like
Dave and it seems you don't want to understand and therefore
seize on any excuse not to do so

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

If you dispense with spelling, capitalization
and punctuation, why post at all?

Here's a theory, Dave: It's done to antagonize the reader. As a
way for the writer to insult the reader, by saying the reader
is unworthy of the effort required to write understandably.

close Jim it is a reflection of the author opinion of the value of the
medium, usenet is unworthy of the effort, but I have said that before

"Usenet is unworthy of the effort"? That's a cop-out.

What you're really saying is that the *people who read Usenet*
aren't worthy of *your* effort.

That's what it boils down to.

Who wants to read the ramblings of an illiterate?

The point is that you and others bother to read the gibberish
and comment on it at length.

and that is an intersting point

So here's my final point:

The hardware and software of Usenet don't care if you post
clear prose or complete gibberish. Only the readers care.
So you are saying the readers aren't worth it.

That works both ways. Your posts aren't worth the effort
it takes to read and decipher them, let alone answer them.

So I won't.

I just got a phone call from the "Idiot's Defense League" and they
say they'll sue if I keep associating Markie with idiots...I asked them
what they suggested, and they said that whatever adjective I would
choose to use, "idiot" was just too good for him.


There's "moron" but I don't know if that's a step up
or a step down.... ;-)

wrote:


Courtesy means you would at least *try* using a spellchecker,
and some capitalization, and some punctuation. But you
steadfastly refuse to do any of that.

He doesn't know how...too stupid.

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

Courtesy means you would at least *try* using a spellchecker,
and some capitalization, and some punctuation. But you
steadfastly refuse to do any of that.

He doesn't know how...too stupid.

I don't think so, "Cmdr". By his own admission, Mark
*refuses* to do the above things. IOW, it's not
about "can't" - it's about "won't."

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY:

I was going to mention, the "commander" assisting you would do MUCH more harm
than good... A "Thanks! But, NO thanks!" is probably the logical move...

John

wrote in message
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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

Courtesy means you would at least *try* using a spellchecker,
and some capitalization, and some punctuation. But you
steadfastly refuse to do any of that.

He doesn't know how...too stupid.

I don't think so, "Cmdr". By his own admission, Mark
*refuses* to do the above things. IOW, it's not
about "can't" - it's about "won't."

73 de Jim, N2EY

From: "John Smith" on Wed 27 Jul 2005 17:51

N2EY:

I predict, because of this new threat which will disclose the sheer simplicity
of amateur radio, the old hams will rally-up with a burst of new energy and
surprise us all....

I think a new (re-discovered really) technology will be developed by the hams,
in a joint effort of all classes, to develop and perfect the arcane lost
knowledge of reincarnation.

Dead hams will arise from their graves, grab keys and re-new old expired sk
licenses.

Element 1 shall never pass from this earth!

RADIO HAM MORSE CODE ZOMBIES LORDS OF THE WIND! [working title]

Soon to be a Major Motion Picture, produced by Dreamworks SKG!

Hollywood finally beat the New Zealanders at something!

Read all about it in Hollywood Reporter and Daily Variety!

bip bap

John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

I was going to mention, the "commander" assisting you would do MUCH more harm
than good... A "Thanks! But, NO thanks!" is probably the logical move...


Says the no-license cber.