K4YZ wrote:
..
Lennie belittles Amateurs for "saving the radio world", yet at
every opportunity we're lambasted with yet another round of how a
MILITARY systems is the "know all-end all" of radio communication....


Lennieboy, while in the military, once walked by an Army radio van and
he thinks that made him an expert on communication.

an old friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:


John Smith wrote:


One reason, the newer digital phone probably puts out 1/10 of the power of the
analog. Increase the power of the digital and the problem will most likely
disappear...


indeed comapring apples to apples was on the biggest flaws in the piece

Power level are different, and the simple factdigital cell phones are
newer therefore the infrasturcture is less developed


Of course, we probably don't want the new digital phones to be running
at the power levels the old bag phones run. Especially for the lenght of
time that people hold the things to their head nowadays.


why not sounds like it be would evoltuion in action, but I would like
havinga digtial bag phone or a cordless remote to car mounted phone of
the higher powere we had with the bag phones


Hey Mark,

I wouldn't call it evolution in action - but perhaps Darwinism in
action! 8^)

The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.

But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.

Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.

Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.

I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:
an old friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:


John Smith wrote:


One reason, the newer digital phone probably puts out 1/10 of the power of the
analog. Increase the power of the digital and the problem will most likely
disappear...


indeed comapring apples to apples was on the biggest flaws in the piece

Power level are different, and the simple factdigital cell phones are
newer therefore the infrasturcture is less developed


Of course, we probably don't want the new digital phones to be running
at the power levels the old bag phones run. Especially for the lenght of
time that people hold the things to their head nowadays.


why not sounds like it be would evoltuion in action, but I would like
havinga digtial bag phone or a cordless remote to car mounted phone of
the higher powere we had with the bag phones


Hey Mark,

I wouldn't call it evolution in action - but perhaps Darwinism in
action! 8^)

The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.

I hear the jury is out out on mutagenc effects

But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.

you Have a 440 HT?

and you are afraid of it?


Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.

Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.

I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.

- Mike KB3EIA -

From: an old friend on Aug 2, 9:01 am

Michael Coslo wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
John Smith wrote:


The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.

I hear the jury is out out on mutagenc effects

Not really, Mark. It's just that a couple dozen research
facilities have NOT YET uncovered anything harmful in low-
level radiation in at least 3 decades of study on the
subject.

But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.

you Have a 440 HT?

and you are afraid of it?

It's a SOCIAL STIGMA fear, Mark. No "real" ham is supposed to
have a "shack on the belt" sort of radio.

If a PCTA is seen by other PCTAs using a handheld, he is subject
to immediate excommunication. No one is allowed to beep to him
again.


Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did Mike get a Warrant for their arrest? Attempted
manslaughter is felony in most states.


Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.

No, some hams are naturally stupid.

Tsk, tsk. The strongest effect on human tissue of RF radiation is
in the low-VHF spectrum. That is much reduced above 300 MHz and
on up...


I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.

There is considerably more "proof" that ham radio makes supposedly
intelligent persons go stupid just from all the comments in here...

bar nut

an old friend wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

an old friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:



John Smith wrote:



One reason, the newer digital phone probably puts out 1/10 of the power of the
analog. Increase the power of the digital and the problem will most likely
disappear...


indeed comapring apples to apples was on the biggest flaws in the piece

Power level are different, and the simple factdigital cell phones are
newer therefore the infrasturcture is less developed


Of course, we probably don't want the new digital phones to be running
at the power levels the old bag phones run. Especially for the lenght of
time that people hold the things to their head nowadays.


why not sounds like it be would evoltuion in action, but I would like
havinga digtial bag phone or a cordless remote to car mounted phone of
the higher powere we had with the bag phones


Hey Mark,

I wouldn't call it evolution in action - but perhaps Darwinism in
action! 8^)

The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.


I hear the jury is out out on mutagenc effects

Yup. The jury was out on cigarettes causing cancer until the recent
past. And yet I have seen documents from the late 1800's that link the two.

But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.


you Have a 440 HT

Why yes I do.

and you are afraid of it?

Nope. Transmissions are kept short, and I use an earpieces mic almost
all the time. If the earpieces isn't handy, I hold the thing several
inches away from me while I talk.

I'm not particularly afraid of anything. I do take necessary precautions.


Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.

Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.

I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike:

Nothing has changed with denials by corps making profits. Global warming, lung
diseases caused by the burning of fossil fuels, pollution of the food supply
and the water by toxins enter the system, etc, etc....

Years from now they will laugh that we remained ignorant, even when we had the
lessons of cigarettes to learn from...

John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
an old friend wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

an old friend wrote:


Michael Coslo wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:



John Smith wrote:



One reason, the newer digital phone probably puts out 1/10 of the power
of the
analog. Increase the power of the digital and the problem will most
likely
disappear...


indeed comapring apples to apples was on the biggest flaws in the piece

Power level are different, and the simple factdigital cell phones are
newer therefore the infrasturcture is less developed


Of course, we probably don't want the new digital phones to be running
at the power levels the old bag phones run. Especially for the lenght of
time that people hold the things to their head nowadays.


why not sounds like it be would evoltuion in action, but I would like
havinga digtial bag phone or a cordless remote to car mounted phone of
the higher powere we had with the bag phones


Hey Mark,

I wouldn't call it evolution in action - but perhaps Darwinism in
action! 8^)

The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.


I hear the jury is out out on mutagenc effects

Yup. The jury was out on cigarettes causing cancer until the recent past. And
yet I have seen documents from the late 1800's that link the two.

But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.


you Have a 440 HT

Why yes I do.

and you are afraid of it?

Nope. Transmissions are kept short, and I use an earpieces mic almost all the
time. If the earpieces isn't handy, I hold the thing several inches away from
me while I talk.

I'm not particularly afraid of anything. I do take necessary precautions.


Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.

Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.

I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Yup. The jury was out on cigarettes causing cancer until the recent past.
And yet I have seen documents from the late 1800's that link the two.


Yeah it was our grandparents and great-grandparents who coined the nickname
"coffin nails" for cigarettes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

wrote:
From: an old friend on Aug 2, 9:01 am


Michael Coslo wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

John Smith wrote:



The RF isn't ionizing radiation, so it wouldn't mutate any cells,
giving rise to evolvement.

I hear the jury is out out on mutagenc effects


Not really, Mark. It's just that a couple dozen research
facilities have NOT YET uncovered anything harmful in low-
level radiation in at least 3 decades of study on the
subject.


But the idea of holding 5 or more watts if UHF RF against my temple is
a scary one.

you Have a 440 HT?

and you are afraid of it?


It's a SOCIAL STIGMA fear, Mark. No "real" ham is supposed to
have a "shack on the belt" sort of radio.

If a PCTA is seen by other PCTAs using a handheld, he is subject
to immediate excommunication. No one is allowed to beep to him
again.

I have two handhelds myself.


Related item. I was on vacation last weekend, and a couple weekends
before that. I was very nearly killed several times by cell phone users
who nearly rear-ended me, were engaged in some sort of animated
argument, and nearly side swiped me, or just generally drove like a
complete idiot.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did Mike get a Warrant for their arrest? Attempted
manslaughter is felony in most states.

Felonius Monk was one of the drivers..



Seeing as how truck drivers and Hams have been using radios for years
and years with out (apparently) nasty incidents, I wonder if exposure to
the near field of near GHz radiation makes people temporarily stupid.


No, some hams are naturally stupid.

Tsk, tsk. The strongest effect on human tissue of RF radiation is
in the low-VHF spectrum. That is much reduced above 300 MHz and
on up...

hmmm, a number of Hams think that the "takeoff angle of an antenna is
where all the energy goes too.

I wonder where I got the idea that freq's ~2.45 GHz had some effect on
tissue?



I believe that we need to treat people who drive and use cell phones in
the same manner that we treat people who drive intoxicated. Proof that
an intelligent person can be made stupid by a cell phone would go a long
way in that direction.


There is considerably more "proof" that ham radio makes supposedly
intelligent persons go stupid just from all the comments in here...

Apparently.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"John Smith" wrote

Global warming, lung diseases caused by the burning
of fossil fuels, pollution of the food supply and the water by toxins enter
the system, etc, etc....

"Bergeron's epitaph for the planet, I remember,
which he said should be carved in big letters in
a wall of the Grand Canyon for the flying-saucer
people to find, was this:

WE COULD HAVE SAVED
BUT WE WERE TOO DOGGONE CHEAP

Only he didn't say 'doggone.' "

- Kurt Vonnegut in "Hocus Pocus"

"KØHB" wrote

Make that:


WE COULD HAVE SAVED IT
BUT WE WERE TOO DOGGONE CHEAP

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB