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FORT PIERRE, S.D. - Johnny Smith has a new digital cell phone, but he
relies on an older analog bag phone when he travels the wide open
spaces in the western part of the state to line up cattle for sale at a
local livestock auction.

In rural areas where cellular towers are far apart, analog phones often
work when digital models can't get a signal. With the Federal
Communications Commission pushing the move to all-digital phone service
across the country, Smith and others in rural areas are urging the
agency to wait until more towers are built to improve service.

"I carry a bag phone just because I can get so much better reception
with it," Smith said. "If you're out in the middle of no place, it's
nice to be able to call somebody."

END QUOTE

(Let's see how long it takes Lennie & Co to make this a "code
test" or "Mighty Morsemen" thread....)

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
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cutting all non ham content

an_old_friend wrote:

So Much for stevie staying near the topic
K4YZ wrote:

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The topic, blockhead, is what the SUBJECT line was.

As for what it is or is not, well, that was dues to YOU changing
it.

cutting all non ham content

The implementation of digital over analog IS a policy debate,
pumpkinhead. (The Idiot's Defense League won't let me call you an idiot
anymore, so I'll expand the list of options.)

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

So Much for stevie staying near the topic
K4YZ wrote:

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The topic, blockhead, is what the SUBJECT line was.

the topic here is

rec.radio.amateur.policy

As for what it is or is not, well, that was dues to YOU changing
it.

nope I ever changed the title of the newsgroup


cutting all non ham content

The implementation of digital over analog IS a policy debate,
pumpkinhead. (The Idiot's Defense League won't let me call you an idiot
anymore, so I'll expand the list of options.)

but one having nothing to do with ham radio

Dafur is policy debate too as is Iraq but they have no place here
either


Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

So Much for stevie staying near the topic
K4YZ wrote:

QUOTE FROM YAHOO! NEWS

The topic, blockhead, is what the SUBJECT line was.

the topic here is

rec.radio.amateur.policy

No, that's the title of the newsgroup...Not the "topic".

However the implementation of digital technology IS a policy issue
in ALL radio services with there being some reasonable doubt as to the
efficacy of digital.

As for what it is or is not, well, that was dues to YOU changing
it.

nope I ever changed the title of the newsgroup

You changed the title of the thread.

The thread is about digital technology.

YOU changed it to "more stevie wandering" which has absolutely NO
radio-related reference at all.

So who's instigating the "personal attack" now, Markie?

cutting all non ham content

The implementation of digital over analog IS a policy debate,
pumpkinhead. (The Idiot's Defense League won't let me call you an idiot
anymore, so I'll expand the list of options.)

but one having nothing to do with ham radio

Sure it is.

There's debate about the efficacy of digital over analog.

Here's a perfect example of analog being superior to digital.

Dafur is policy debate too as is Iraq but they have no place here
either

However digital communications techniques are.

Please provide the newsgroup your Letter of Appointment that
assigns you as "Apppointer Of Appropriatness for NG Discussions"

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
QUOTE FROM YAHOO! NEWS

FORT PIERRE, S.D. - Johnny Smith has a new digital cell phone, but he
relies on an older analog bag phone when he travels the wide open
spaces in the western part of the state to line up cattle for sale at a
local livestock auction.

In rural areas where cellular towers are far apart, analog phones often
work when digital models can't get a signal. With the Federal
Communications Commission pushing the move to all-digital phone service
across the country, Smith and others in rural areas are urging the
agency to wait until more towers are built to improve service.

I think that the biggest reason that they work better is not an
inherent digital problem, but that the old analog phones tend to have a
lot more power. IIRC some of the bag phones were pumping out 5 watts,
some may have been more.

Today's cell phones have been reduced in power quite a bit.

"I carry a bag phone just because I can get so much better reception
with it," Smith said. "If you're out in the middle of no place, it's
nice to be able to call somebody."

END QUOTE

(Let's see how long it takes Lennie & Co to make this a "code
test" or "Mighty Morsemen" thread....)


And we'll also see that I have just disagreed with you, and I suspect
that we'll continue to get along just fine, as usual......

- Mike KB3EIA -

K4YZ wrote:

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In rural areas where cellular towers are far apart, analog phones often
work when digital models can't get a signal. With the Federal
Communications Commission pushing the move to all-digital phone service
across the country, Smith and others in rural areas are urging the
agency to wait until more towers are built to improve service.


I would be remiss if I didn't note that I do agree with you that
digital is not better. While it performs well under many circumstances,
it has it's own set of shortcomings.

Certainly digital voice is of no particular advantage in Amateur Radio,
from what I have seen so far.

- Mike KB3EIA -

an_old_friend wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

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cutting all non ham content


Digital voice is an acceptable ham radio topic, Mark. We may use it
some day. And in it's present form, it isn't terribly applicable to Ham
radio. The present systems available for us to use do sound very nice,
giving "FM-like quality" (note that means quality akin to 2 meter FM,
not Broadcast radio) with no noise. That part is good. But there are
some nasty flaws, such as having to essentially have a "sked" in order
to use it. If you don't catch the transmission from the beginning, you
don't catch the transmission. There are no particular BW advantages either.

Comparisons with the outside world and what they do and use are
instructive, and in the end, on-topic.

- Mike KB3EIA -

One reason, the newer digital phone probably puts out 1/10 of the power of the
analog. Increase the power of the digital and the problem will most likely
disappear...

John

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
QUOTE FROM YAHOO! NEWS

FORT PIERRE, S.D. - Johnny Smith has a new digital cell phone, but he
relies on an older analog bag phone when he travels the wide open
spaces in the western part of the state to line up cattle for sale at a
local livestock auction.

In rural areas where cellular towers are far apart, analog phones often
work when digital models can't get a signal. With the Federal
Communications Commission pushing the move to all-digital phone service
across the country, Smith and others in rural areas are urging the
agency to wait until more towers are built to improve service.

"I carry a bag phone just because I can get so much better reception
with it," Smith said. "If you're out in the middle of no place, it's
nice to be able to call somebody."

END QUOTE

(Let's see how long it takes Lennie & Co to make this a "code
test" or "Mighty Morsemen" thread....)

Steve, K4YZ

Michael Coslo wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

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cutting all non ham content


Digital voice is an acceptable ham radio topic, Mark. We may use it

digital voice certainly is but the text did not conern digital voice or
ham radio in the slightest

some day. And in it's present form, it isn't terribly applicable to Ham
radio. The present systems available for us to use do sound very nice,
giving "FM-like quality" (note that means quality akin to 2 meter FM,
not Broadcast radio) with no noise. That part is good. But there are
some nasty flaws, such as having to essentially have a "sked" in order
to use it. If you don't catch the transmission from the beginning, you
don't catch the transmission. There are no particular BW advantages either.

Comparisons with the outside world and what they do and use are
instructive, and in the end, on-topic.

but no comparsion was made by stevie just another of his troling
attacks

- Mike KB3EIA -