From: "John Smith" on Sat 30 Jul 2005 14:47

Len:

So then, you have decided that free speech is only allowed if the government
can understand it (decrypt it.)

Not me, blalah. Dat be da gubmint guys whut say you guys can say.

I just go ahead and use them WLAN thingies and have no worries
about "recording all transmissions" in case the gubmint wants
to see it later. Part 97 doesn't apply to MY transmissions. :-)

Interesting, my idea of free speech is that they (my public servants--from bush
on down) don't have anything to say about what I say, nor who I say it to, nor
need to be aware of the contents of my messages (unless they find me yelling
"fire" in a crowded theatre)... however, I am an american citizen... now if
they want to hassle some other individual in another country, I guess they can,
depending if they get a pencil shoved in their ear or not, I suppose...

Yah, yah, noble free-speechifying citizen...

Did you ever yell THEATER in a fire house?

Not only that, but the constitution of my forefathers demands I keep an eye on
my "public servants", maintaining a constant vigil, and if they even look like
they are attempting to limit and/or subvert the liberties and freedoms of the
citizens here, I am demanded to use whatever means necessary to halt and
prevent them, it is how I repay those individuals who gave their lives to win
my freedoms and liberties--that is a REAL "GENTLEMAN's AGREEMENT!"...

Yah, yah, and the "gentlemen's agreement" band plans of the
ARRL are okay? innocent look


Sometimes, I think we have already lost a battle, at this point, and a foreign
influence is in some kind of control of this country...

Republicans? innocent look

... perhaps the time approaches to repay that debt, much quicker than I would
like ...

When a government begins to fear its' very own citizens--the problem is NEVER
the citizens...

Talk to the ARRL about their financial future some time if they
keep toadying to the mighty macho morsemen...


dit nit

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group would use the hams bands anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.


Todd N9OGL

sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.

agreed they would not bother getting the license thye just priate a few
sets of call letters, it thier operation looked clean (hiding the
terror content) the FCC could weeks or months (years?) to notice


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it, they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it, they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

There's a better chance they would use a cellphone with an ecryption
device then a radio, or get their information through carriers and
given the information in person. The encryption rules have been on the
books since the 30's. Amateur's can uses digital codes as well as
unspecified codes above 30 MHz.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Well, they might pick up cell phones, I would caution them NOT to. There is no
form of communications so well logged.

Also, each cell phone registers at each call with an assigned code which is
kept track of--false codes are ignored... you don't make a call unless they
know who you are and where you are...

No better way to locate someone than to have them carrying a cell phone, even
when they think it is off it is finking on 'em and maintaining contact with the
nearest 3 towers, if available, strange, but that is exactly the minimum number
to triangulate their exact location...

Drug dealers are very, very leery of cell phones... too many have been busted
for using 'em!

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...
N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it,
they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

There's a better chance they would use a cellphone with an ecryption
device then a radio, or get their information through carriers and
given the information in person. The encryption rules have been on the
books since the 30's. Amateur's can uses digital codes as well as
unspecified codes above 30 MHz.


Todd N9OGL

JOHN:

My point is simply that there is better ways that terrorist and
other criminal elements can communicate, amateur radio isn't on of
them. The encryption rules in the amateur radio service (as written)
are not need (or need to be modified) and in fact may hold amateur
radio back, because there are some encryption technology that is more
spectrum effecient.

Todd N9OGL

John:

My remarks were not about disposable cell phones--which DO give more anonymity.

However...

Don't buy the phone with a credit card or check--don't buy it where they have
cams and take a pic of you, beware of the cams in the parking lot, don't let
the checkout person get a good look at your face (or, have someone else buy it
for you), and drive over to another town (preferably far away) to purchase it.

However, they still know exactly where that phone is being used, what time it
is used and who you are calling, the guy on the other end better have one too
or they might go ask him who called him...

And, don't purchase them from the same store or chain store all the time,
switch around!

And, it will still be keeping in touch with the cell towers, use it once and
chuck it!

Other than those few "little problems", hey, real reliable communications
there...

John

"John Smythe" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:04:53 -0700, John Smith wrote:
N9OGL:

Well, they might pick up cell phones, I would caution them NOT to. There is
no
form of communications so well logged.

Pie in the sky.

Walk into any convenience store and purchase a disposable cell phone.
Easy to do, and there are no questions asked which can be used to
track you down if you pay cash.

Trolls don't know this, but everyone else who has ever been in a
convenience store does know it.

Reality, "John." Reality. It always trips up the trolls.

Now climb back under your bridge and keep on wallowing in your
ignorance.

N9OGL:

I think my view on it was given away with the question (subject) of this
thread...

Simply ignore the FCC rule, as long as you are an american and using encryption
for a VALID PURPOSE (and that means NOT for terrorist activities), a valid
purpose would be so no one (that included the gov't (think BIG BROTHER here) is
listening in.

In any court of law, I do not see where it could be argued that radio is such a
unique threat that encryption cannot be allowed there, yet can be done on the
internet without regulation (other than you cannot share high security
encryption software with other nations--and "God" himself knows that regulation
is not violated!)

If you are a terrorist, they can hang you for your activities, and very rightly
so...

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
JOHN:

My point is simply that there is better ways that terrorist and
other criminal elements can communicate, amateur radio isn't on of
them. The encryption rules in the amateur radio service (as written)
are not need (or need to be modified) and in fact may hold amateur
radio back, because there are some encryption technology that is more
spectrum effecient.

Todd N9OGL