Kim:

Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse
with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to
rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be
surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an
over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the
world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured
while you have been engaged in you little diversion.

John

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +0000, Kim wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KXHB:

I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they
have
mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum
is
what they will need to survive.

Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of
a
hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat!

John


And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch
it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few
major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio
licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur
radio are taken with a grain of salt.

If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

Kim W5TIT

K0HB:

The real question is, will he get lucky if there she has at least one TIT
in her call, and he is able to make contact with her?

John

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:25:56 +0000, KØHB wrote:


"Kim" wrote


If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

Kim W5TIT


If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to
hear it, is he still wrong?

K=D8HB wrote:
"Kim" wrote

If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

Yes

Kim W5TIT

If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around=
to
hear it, is he still wrong?

Yes!

Then again, why would a man in the forest say anything?

Isn't there a list of things he should be doing? Did he remember to
pick up the dry cleaning and drop off the rental videos on his way to
the forest? For that matter, did he take out the garbage on his way out
of the
house? How about getting those new shoes like he promised he would two
weeks ago? And the upstairs bathroom *still* isn't painted. Honestly,
you'd think he had nothing better to do than go off in the woods saying
things to no one in particular....

---

Overheard in a booksto "Telling you where the self-help books
are would defeat their purpose"

73 de Jim, N2EY

313

N2EY:

It is strongly suggested they don't appoint a deaf person as net control,
however, it is a free country. The hearing disabled may wish to consider
smoke signals, message arrow or carrier pidgeon. If near an ocean,
"message in a bottle" might be investigated.

John

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:31:44 -0700, N2EY wrote:

KØHB wrote:
"Kim" wrote

If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

Yes

Kim W5TIT

If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman around to
hear it, is he still wrong?

Yes!

Then again, why would a man in the forest say anything?

Isn't there a list of things he should be doing? Did he remember to
pick up the dry cleaning and drop off the rental videos on his way to
the forest? For that matter, did he take out the garbage on his way out
of the
house? How about getting those new shoes like he promised he would two
weeks ago? And the upstairs bathroom *still* isn't painted. Honestly,
you'd think he had nothing better to do than go off in the woods saying
things to no one in particular....

---

Overheard in a booksto "Telling you where the self-help books
are would defeat their purpose"

73 de Jim, N2EY

313

From: Kim on Aug 2, 8:03 am


"John Smith" wrote in message
KXHB:

I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they have
mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum is
what they will need to survive.

Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of a
hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat!

John

And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch
it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few
major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio
licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur
radio are taken with a grain of salt.

Oh, ohhhhh...here we go...yet another Flame War ignition attempt...

If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

"If a tree falls on a florist, will he make a sound?"

How many angles bisect on a PCTA pinhead?

"Etcetera, etcetera," sang the King of Siam.


Isaac Asimov's shortest short story on science-fiction, written
during
a panel talk by a group of science-fiction writers:

"The last man on earth sat alone in his cabin. Suddenly there
was
a knock on the door..."

Be sure and take EVERYTHING oh, so seriously! This be the Din of
Inequity!

den din

Len:

Later, drinks will be served and a movie will be put up, it is an old "Mel
Gibson flick"... MadMax!

Now considered a training film to introduce brass pounders to the necessity for
morse.

Only two commercials in the whole film, one by KenWood--maker of fine antique
radios, and DaveMade--maker of fine high-power chicken band equip!

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: Kim on Aug 2, 8:03 am


"John Smith" wrote in message
KXHB:

I wouldn't even think about allowing someone a radio, unless first they
have
mastered the "African Message Drum", if all civilization is gone the drum
is
what they will need to survive.

Much more logical than cw, you don't need a radio! Can make a drum out of
a
hollow log and a skin off the neighbors cat!

John

And, uh, what'd you say *your* callsign was? I, uh, just didn't quite catch
it... I'm just asking because it's a generally noted condition of a few
major posters in this newsgroup, that if one is not an amateur radio
licensee (Len Anderson, for example) their opinions on the matter of amateur
radio are taken with a grain of salt.

Oh, ohhhhh...here we go...yet another Flame War ignition attempt...

If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

"If a tree falls on a florist, will he make a sound?"

How many angles bisect on a PCTA pinhead?

"Etcetera, etcetera," sang the King of Siam.


Isaac Asimov's shortest short story on science-fiction, written
during
a panel talk by a group of science-fiction writers:

"The last man on earth sat alone in his cabin. Suddenly there
was
a knock on the door..."

Be sure and take EVERYTHING oh, so seriously! This be the Din of
Inequity!

den din

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Kim:

Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse
with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to
rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be
surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an
over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the
world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured
while you have been engaged in you little diversion.

John


Not at all. I've never really paid any attention to whether someone has a
call or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I am just
surprised you haven't run into that on the newsgroup yet. From someone such
as...hmmm, trying to remember who that matters to, usually...Dave Heil, I
believe I've seen razzing Len for not being an amateur radio operator.
Others...but, was just wondering if it'd ever been an issue.

Oh, and then there's those who raz about people being annonymous, etc.
Guess you've not had that happen yet, either. Although, come to think of
it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with
you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to
be...

Kim W5TIT

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
K0HB:

The real question is, will he get lucky if there she has at least one TIT
in her call, and he is able to make contact with her?

John

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:25:56 +0000, KØHB wrote:


"Kim" wrote


If all civilization is gone, and you have a drum and a deaf person is
around, does it make a sound?

Kim W5TIT


If a man is in the forest and says something, but there's no woman
around to
hear it, is he still wrong?


Couldn't make any sense of John's retort. And, naw, the man wouldn't be
wrong if he's holding the credit card for the taking...LOL

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Ahhh, I think the old guys who used to have to worry about winding a filament
choke for an old tube PA are still worried. Indeed, there are probably some
around who remember when the filament used to be the cathode! Perhaps they
even worry more...

There eyes are not as good as they used to be, probably from trying to read
news papers from the purplish-bluish glow of gassy finals. Maybe they just
can't read the text here anymore.

Kim, don't you ever wonder who setup newsgroups for them on their computer,
isn't pretty obvious they could not? Who then, grandkids?

Some of these old guys probably even remember very old and ancient tubes, where
thorium was included into the filaments metal to increase electron emission,
and to "rejuvenate" the tube you would have to run the filament at an increased
voltage to over-heat and to get some of the thorium to come up to the surface.
Not long ago (decade or two) this was still being done on TV cathode ray tubes,
some oscilloscope crts could be rejuved the same way...

That was the lair of these old brass pounders, around equip and practices which
is now only found in museums--and old hams shacks...

Wonder a NC Tech (and a woman even!--with a "hard to pronounce
call!"--something like "Lake Titicaca?" grin) can survive here, don't they
tend to "use up all the air in room", leaving one wanting for outside and a
fresh breath of air?
grin

John

"Kim" wrote in message
t...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Kim:

Well, there ya go, the only people you would consider fitting to converse
with have proven they are a ham to you. Of course, this is going to
rather limit your social skills and world quite a bit, wouldn't be
surprized if you don't know ALL ~300,000 by name (that might be an
over-estimate.) Don't worry, why you are there doing "ham sorting" the
world goes on, we will keep you abreast of the changes which have occured
while you have been engaged in you little diversion.

John


Not at all. I've never really paid any attention to whether someone has a
call or not. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I am just
surprised you haven't run into that on the newsgroup yet. From someone such
as...hmmm, trying to remember who that matters to, usually...Dave Heil, I
believe I've seen razzing Len for not being an amateur radio operator.
Others...but, was just wondering if it'd ever been an issue.

Oh, and then there's those who raz about people being annonymous, etc.
Guess you've not had that happen yet, either. Although, come to think of
it...there's not that many of the "regulars" who are communicating with
you... So maybe it's still an issue, just not as noticeable as it used to
be...

Kim W5TIT

"Dee Flint" wrote in
:


"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Alun L. Palmer wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in break
There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+
would become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element
3 to get on HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get
Tech+ privileges. Does
anyone know which is right?

I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once
called tech plus,

but anyone that claims to know what the result is likely to prove
themselves a lair


If you are talking about the US proposal, read the NPRM through a
couple of times. They discuss this at great length. Techs will not
get Tech+ privileges. Anyone who wants to increase their privileges
will have to take a test. They specifically state that no one will get
any changes in privileges. That is also consistent with the way the
paragraphs will be reworded as shown in the appendix.

Finally, one of the posters on eHam called the FCC on this and asked
for and got clarification. He was told that Techs will not get Tech+
privileges. It is indeed the FCC's position that anyone desiring more
than their current privileges must take the appropriate written test.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




That is how I read it too, but it was a little hard to be sure without a
copy of Part 97 in front of me, plus a few people had made posts that
interpreted it the other way.