From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

Len:

Trust me, I am a fan of Reg, have nothing but for respect for his style of
communication in text... not only caliber, but substance!

John

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From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0700, "John Smith" wrote:

Trust me, I am a fan of Reg, have nothing but for respect for his style of
communication in text... not only caliber, but substance!

I don't think Reg drinks Caliber, he probably quaffs
the real stuff.

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

The preservation of Ham Radio against the influx of
the Mongolian Hordes of non-technical CBers
is not some brouhaha, but a matter of deep concern
for any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Ham.

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From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds
and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

polymath:

I was thinking it more like the masses over-throwing the evil "in-bred" hams
whose protectionist practices have killed the hobby and extract suffering on
radio for generations... listening to a bunch of geriatric oldsters farting
into their and having their arthritis limiting their code speed is just
becoming too much of a log jam to communications and growth in the hobby...

.... this change is a "good thing."

John



"Polymath" wrote in message
...
The preservation of Ham Radio against the influx of
the Mongolian Hordes of non-technical CBers
is not some brouhaha, but a matter of deep concern
for any self-respecting _REAL_ Radio Ham.

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 31, 8:41 am

Reg:

Thank you for attempting to restore some sanity here...

However, don't be disappointed if your logic, common sense and decades of
experience is wasted here--seems these fellows won't take the psyche meds
and
are believing the "visions" occurring in their minds...

John

John, a whole series of postings in this thread seems to have
migrated over from rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. One over there
("Polymath") goes off some deep end every once in a while and
starts one of these brouhahas...sigh.

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology. Reg has his own site
where these small programs are downloadable free. Good
stuff there!

him ham

On 31 Jul 2005 11:30:20 -0700, wrote:

Reg Edwards is a long time UK ham and author of dozens of
excellent small stand-alone programs for specialized
calculations on ham radio technology.

I doubt Reg would be happy to be called a "ham"?

73 de Jock.
--

It is impossible to lick your elbow.

Reg Edwards wrote:
What's all this childish, long running fuss about?

Much ado about nothing, Reg.

There's nothing whatever to prevent radio hams from
carrying on in
their traditional, relatively well-ordered,
self-disciplined ways.

Most of them will do just that.

There's plenty of room on the bands to share with a little more QRM.

The more the merrier!

And CB-ers cannot possibly interfere with use of soldering
irons on
the kitchen table. There always has been obstruction by the
XYL.

I once built a receiver on the kitchen table. Had all the bits
and tools in a large wooden box. I'd clear the table, put down
yesterday's newspapers to protect the surface, then build. At the
end of the work session the parts were all put away and the
newspapers were carefully folded up, containing all the wire
snipends, metal filings, etc.

1977 or so, when I was in a small apartment. Still have the receiver.

Just give it time and the more unruly band users will either
fall into line or change hobby to tropical fish.

Hopefully!

Thanks for all the great software, btw.

--

73 de Jim, N2EY

Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

No one is required to build to their sets (at least no license that I
aware there are some odd byways in theworld) and the we do get tired of
the whining about how you used to have to blow the galls for your own
tubes over a hot fire


2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us.
Do

the foul mouths and most infantile tempers are amoug those Old time
hams whoose passing your seem too lament

we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going
through a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced

and you know these hams are leaving for these reason how?

Maybe like myself leaving the ARRL they are simply fed up with the
entrenched interests there trying to kill the ARS

with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to

as a Ham radio operator of course

deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of
Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?

"an old friend" wrote in message
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Please don't include poly wallys crap in your posts, I have him tucked
nicely away in my killfile and have no wish to read his twaddle.

Thanks

Andy MW0GUV

Polymath:

You don't need CW to build a transmitter, calm down, take the meds, it will be
ok...

John

"Polymath" wrote in message
...
Ham Radio has a well-regarded position in society as the
nest from which the engineers of the country fledge; but
what is its position today; and, do we wish to do anything
about that tradition?

1. We have a privileged position in that we are authorised both
to make and also to operate our own transmitters. No-one else has the
privileges of both and hence we are in a unique position. Do we wish
to preserve this status quo, or, are we happy that our numbers
are increasingly over-run by CB types, by which category I mean those
who buy their rigs ready-made off-the-shelf and even send them back
when minor repairs are needed?

2. Ham Radio has traditions of international gentlemanliness, but you might
think otherwise from reading these NG. The foul-mouthed infantile temper
tantrum is an increasing problem, and, as such, it reflects badly upon us. Do
we wish this to continue, or should we set ourselves firmly apart from
such people AND REFUSE EVEN TO DISCOURSE WITH THEM,
THESE CHILDISH BROADCASTERS (CBERS), IN THESE NG?

3. The self-styled "national" society, in Britland at least, is going through
a
financial crisis as the _REAL_ Radio Hams leave in their droves when faced
with an influx of what can only be described as CBers. (How else can you
describe
a 6-year-old licensee who does not have the mathematical skill set to
deal with decimals, let alone the elementary transpositions that are
necessary
to deal with Ohm's Law?). Do we wish to have a society that represents the
technical aficionado that is the _REAL_ Radio Ham?

In short, do we simply stand by whilst the Mongolian Hordes of Ne'er-Do-Wells
destroy what we and out predecessors have setup?