My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .

an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .

Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .

Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN

Dave, are you volunteering for 702 duty?

an_old_friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an old friend wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it

Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.

wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio

They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.

Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best at interavals as long that
battery would still make sparks but Dave and prehaps a good many other
MMM would not help me

Dave is special, but not unique.

b.b. wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,
With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me. As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart. It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work. From personal experience, I
can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.
This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .

Where's that pool of typists when you really need it?

Dave K8MN


Dave, are you volunteering for 702 duty?

To assist Mark? No way. He had a pool of trained typists at his beck
and call and has turned down a job paying nearly a quarter million per
year. I'd have thought that he'd have run his comments through his staff.

Dave K8MN

b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it

Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.

wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio


They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.


Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...

Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:

To assist Mark? No way. He had a pool of trained typists at his beck
and call and has turned down a job paying nearly a quarter million per
year. I'd have thought that he'd have run his comments through his staff.

thinking not realy your strong suit

No staff I hire out of a pool when i choose to pay for the temps, I
choose not to pay for the temps

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

b.b. wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:

I sure hope you are kidding. If this is real ..... well, it staggers the
imagination.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

I doubt it but then I suspect that He or Dave of another ProCoder
submitted that coment, simliar stuff happen in the last round's NPRM

It looks like the work of a disgruntled PCTA Extra, such as
Bruce/WA8ULX.

That Steve would be sucked in by it's idiotic simplicity speaks
volumes.

It is called "willing suspenion of Disbelief" stevie so wants to
believe that is the general sort of person that opposes code testing
and so he jumps at it

It is sad realy but the FCC will see right though it

Most of these not-so old-timers have lost it.

Just like Dave can't understand that "OSOSOSOSOSOSOSOSOS" just might be
a distress call. I pity the units that he supposedly served.

wonder what they do with transmision "ayday...ayday
...ayday...b9wdy...lling...ayday" the dots being static, something liek
sorry ole boy we migh help you when you fix your radio


They walk down the hall to the vending machine and by a bag of chips.


Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...

Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.

indeed proving the devotion of the Procoders to the aiding of others


Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
My own comments

To the persons reading comments for the FCC greetings,

With regard to main body of the NPRM I am a favor of dropping all code
tests at once, however there are a few points concerning related
matters I wish to discuss and respect insist that FCC made something on
these points clear when the R&O is issued.

Started off strong, Mark. But then your mouth over ran common
sense and you started rambling again.

E N G L I S H C O M P O S I T I O N

The privileges of the entry class, Technician, after this action are
frankly unclear to me.

I guess you missed the part where the FCC said it was dismissing
all those other petitions and was focusing on the Code issue at the
moment.

As perhaps one of the few members of that class
making comments it is a subject near and dear to my heart.

Also guess you haven't been paying attention to some of the
demographics of the respondents. You are far and away from being
"...one of the few...", Mark...

It is also
a question vital to the future of the ARS, and thus in some degree the
safety and future of the USA.

Let's see if Lennie ahs the same Field Day with THAT as he does
anytime any of the REST of us suggest even the remotest degree of
importance or relevance of the Amateur Radio Service...

I believe the privileges should be what was known as Before the 1998
NPRM as Tech plus, this si because I have frankly observed that many
new Techs tend to get struck on FM repeaters, a fine mode but hard to
break out of, and being hard to break out tends to depress the chances
that they will, ( I refer the FCC to prices on allmode rigs with VHF
frequencies compared to FM rigs) In addition to issues of cost with the
propagation of VHF there are many times that there is no one out there
that a novice operator can find and work.

Congratulations.

104 words before you managed to get a period in there.

And the FCC could care less about the price of radios.

From personal experience...(SNIP)

Goat sacrifice counts here?

I can tell you that this is a hard thing to do, and thus tends to imped
the progress of the Techs and separate them from the rest of the ARS.

The only thing that impedes ANY licensee from operating on ANY
band or mode is just DOING it. I know several NCT's who rarely touch a
2 meter rig.

This separation is not god for the ARS or it abilities to serve in the
public interest .

Signing this comment with an Amateur Radio callsign will be even
WORSE for the Amateur Service.

Steve, K4YZ

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
b.b. wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

Indeed If truely stuck and needing help but with a big batery Id just
send ...---...--- and hope for the best...

Those who heard this transmission would no doubt think that things were
so so.

indeed proving the devotion of the Procoders to the aiding of others

Whoa right there, Mark......

(1) Dave was, again, correct. What you typed was "SOSO"

(2) You've already demonstrated that you WON'T help yourself
despite having acknowledged that numerous resources are at your
disposal and within your capabilites to use and implement. So why
would Dave (or anyone else, for that matter..??) waste any time on you
for anything?

(3) As for "procoders" aiding others, I have "elmered" and/or
proctored tests for dozens of folks and helped who-knows-how-many folks
ON the radio...regardless of thier class of license.

You've "helped"...how many...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ