To all:

The DOT (department of transportation), DMV (department of motor
vehicles), etc. DO NOT require me to have a "Mechanics License" to work on
the brakes of my car--yet, if I work on the brakes, don't do it correctly,
I might kill someone. If I don't "work on" my radio correctly--no one is
going to die...

I can work on the transmission of my car, under the same risks... and CW
is a LOT LESS important...

Just because amateurs exist in an "echo chamber", within a "good ole boys
club" and damn lies have gained a "truth" of their own is no reason for
anyone but fools to fall for these lame arguments!

John

John Smith wrote:

The DOT (department of transportation), DMV (department of motor
vehicles), etc. DO NOT require me to have a "Mechanics License"
to work on
the brakes of my car--yet, if I work on the brakes, don't do it correctly,
I might kill someone.

And that someone might be *you*.

If I don't "work on" my radio correctly--no one is
going to die...

Not necessarily true.

If you work on your car's brakes and do it wrong, the defect is usually
obvious: the car won't stop.

If you work on a radio and do it wrong, the defect may not be obvious
at all. For example, suppose the radio puts out a strong signal on an
aircraft frequency - all sorts of bad things could happen, but you
wouldn't know it until too late.

I can work on the transmission of my car, under the same
risks...

But if you mess up, the car just won't go.

--

You seem to be arguing to get rid of the *written* test.


and CW is a LOT LESS important...

Do you ever actually listen to the HF ham bands? Down at the low end,
where the hams using Morse Code usually operate?

Morse Code is an operating skill. It's like knowing how to drive at
night or in bad weather. Or with a manual transmission.

Just because amateurs exist in an "echo chamber", within
a "good ole boys
club" and damn lies have gained a "truth" of their own is no
reason for
anyone but fools to fall for these lame arguments!

I see. You assume you are right, rather than proving any points.

Typical.

N2EY:

Ok, I will accept your argument, CW is a skill, and is not necessary to
the amateur hobby, testing should be dropped without question.

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:49:32 -0700, N2EY wrote:

John Smith wrote:

The DOT (department of transportation), DMV (department of motor
vehicles), etc. DO NOT require me to have a "Mechanics License"
to work on
the brakes of my car--yet, if I work on the brakes, don't do it correctly,
I might kill someone.

And that someone might be *you*.

If I don't "work on" my radio correctly--no one is
going to die...

Not necessarily true.

If you work on your car's brakes and do it wrong, the defect is usually
obvious: the car won't stop.

If you work on a radio and do it wrong, the defect may not be obvious
at all. For example, suppose the radio puts out a strong signal on an
aircraft frequency - all sorts of bad things could happen, but you
wouldn't know it until too late.

I can work on the transmission of my car, under the same
risks...

But if you mess up, the car just won't go.

--

You seem to be arguing to get rid of the *written* test.


and CW is a LOT LESS important...

Do you ever actually listen to the HF ham bands? Down at the low end,
where the hams using Morse Code usually operate?

Morse Code is an operating skill. It's like knowing how to drive at
night or in bad weather. Or with a manual transmission.

Just because amateurs exist in an "echo chamber", within
a "good ole boys
club" and damn lies have gained a "truth" of their own is no
reason for
anyone but fools to fall for these lame arguments!

I see. You assume you are right, rather than proving any points.

Typical.

John Smith wrote:
N2EY:

Ok, I will accept your argument, CW is a skill, and is not necessary to
the amateur hobby, testing should be dropped without question.

That's not what I wrote at all.

Troll on - but without me.

wrote


Morse Code is an operating skill.


I agree, and an enjoyable one.


It's like knowing how to drive at night or in bad weather.


No, it's like knowing how to drive a team of oxen.


Or with a manual transmission.


Yeah, might come in handy when the only available automobile is a Model T
Ford --- oh, never mind, even the Model T didn't have a manual transmission.

beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Keep the code, dump the code test.

N2EY:

Well, fire up your crystal-ball and plug-in the CD where I have used an
old and cracked brake line--and right when I am breaking for a poor old
ham at the red light, it fails and I end up guilty of negligence and in a
court rooms... then put down that fictional novel and realize CW just
isn't a big deal, except to ancient hams... time to judge it on its merits
to the hobby, and making it available so that we can have some fresh
personalities to chat with... CW is starting to look like a dodo bird, I
expect in the next decade we will still be seeing it--only in museums...

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:49:32 -0700, N2EY wrote:

John Smith wrote:

The DOT (department of transportation), DMV (department of motor
vehicles), etc. DO NOT require me to have a "Mechanics License"
to work on
the brakes of my car--yet, if I work on the brakes, don't do it correctly,
I might kill someone.

And that someone might be *you*.

If I don't "work on" my radio correctly--no one is
going to die...

Not necessarily true.

If you work on your car's brakes and do it wrong, the defect is usually
obvious: the car won't stop.

If you work on a radio and do it wrong, the defect may not be obvious
at all. For example, suppose the radio puts out a strong signal on an
aircraft frequency - all sorts of bad things could happen, but you
wouldn't know it until too late.

I can work on the transmission of my car, under the same
risks...

But if you mess up, the car just won't go.

--

You seem to be arguing to get rid of the *written* test.


and CW is a LOT LESS important...

Do you ever actually listen to the HF ham bands? Down at the low end,
where the hams using Morse Code usually operate?

Morse Code is an operating skill. It's like knowing how to drive at
night or in bad weather. Or with a manual transmission.

Just because amateurs exist in an "echo chamber", within
a "good ole boys
club" and damn lies have gained a "truth" of their own is no
reason for
anyone but fools to fall for these lame arguments!

I see. You assume you are right, rather than proving any points.

Typical.

wrote:
John Smith wrote:

N2EY:

Ok, I will accept your argument, CW is a skill, and is not necessary to
the amateur hobby, testing should be dropped without question.


That's not what I wrote at all.

Troll on - but without me.


'bought time!

8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -