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Dee Flint wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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Now that the code test is on it's way to join the buggy whip, we need a
new
issue to argue about. There are a lot of threads here devoted to
personal
attacks on people I have never heard of. It's getting too much like
80m!

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders? We're apt to
get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

just how do you propose to do that, after all we are likely to be a
mixed bunch

Which is exactly why such a discussion could be useful.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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Now that the code test is on it's way to join the buggy whip, we need a
new
issue to argue about. There are a lot of threads here devoted to
personal
attacks on people I have never heard of. It's getting too much like
80m!

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders? We're apt to
get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

just how do you propose to do that, after all we are likely to be a
mixed bunch

Which is exactly why such a discussion could be useful.

as I thought I implied well enough but guess not, please by all means
try

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders? We're apt to get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

There's no one best way for everyone, but here's one idea:

Demos. Show folks how it's done, rather than talking. This can be
a display/talk/station setup at a hamfest, a club meeting talk, a
website, or a magazine article, just for starters. Then there's Field
Day, a whole weekend of demos.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Dee Flint wrote:

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders? We're apt to
get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

There's no one best way for everyone, but here's one idea:

Demos. Show folks how it's done, rather than talking. This can be
a display/talk/station setup at a hamfest, a club meeting talk, a
website, or a magazine article, just for starters. Then there's Field
Day, a whole weekend of demos.

73 de Jim, N2EY


The demo/display/talk at a hamfest is a good idea as this has a chance of
getting those hams who don't belong to clubs. As far as websites go, there
are already so many (some are very good) that I think additional websites
may get lost in the crowd so to speak. Our club already has a presentation
at almost every meeting so at least our club is already covered here.

I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth
transition.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders?
We're apt to get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

There's no one best way for everyone, but here's one idea:

Demos. Show folks how it's done, rather than talking. This
can be
a display/talk/station setup at a hamfest, a club meeting
talk, a
website, or a magazine article, just for starters. Then
there's Field Day, a whole weekend of demos.

The demo/display/talk at a hamfest is a good idea as this
has a chance of
getting those hams who don't belong to clubs.

One thing that generates interest is to see stuff
actually in use. The AM folks in these parts have
gotten into the idea of setting up a demo station
at big hamfests like Gaithersburg. They use classic
hollow-state gear, and show what both the gear and
the mode are like. Usually it's a group effort, so
the station is always on the air and nobody has
to bring a complete setup.

Another venue is specialized events like air shows.
Some military-radio collectors set up a demo and
display (with permission of course) and show the
radio gear in action.

As far as
websites go, there
are already so many (some are very good) that I think
additional websites
may get lost in the crowd so to speak.

I think there's always room for more *good* online info.
The big challenge is making it easy to find.

Our club already has a presentation
at almost every meeting so at least our club is already covered here.

I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not
involved with any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth transition.

That's a classic problem. But if the advice is offered the right
way, most folks will take it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY:

Gee, and we wonder why kids raised with computers and state-of-the-art
communications are not turned on...

John

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:47:49 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:

How about the best way to "elmer" the flood of upgraders?
We're apt to get
a bunch all at once before it levels out once again.

There's no one best way for everyone, but here's one idea:

Demos. Show folks how it's done, rather than talking. This
can be
a display/talk/station setup at a hamfest, a club meeting
talk, a
website, or a magazine article, just for starters. Then
there's Field Day, a whole weekend of demos.

The demo/display/talk at a hamfest is a good idea as this
has a chance of
getting those hams who don't belong to clubs.

One thing that generates interest is to see stuff
actually in use. The AM folks in these parts have
gotten into the idea of setting up a demo station
at big hamfests like Gaithersburg. They use classic
hollow-state gear, and show what both the gear and
the mode are like. Usually it's a group effort, so
the station is always on the air and nobody has
to bring a complete setup.

Another venue is specialized events like air shows.
Some military-radio collectors set up a demo and
display (with permission of course) and show the
radio gear in action.

As far as
websites go, there
are already so many (some are very good) that I think
additional websites
may get lost in the crowd so to speak.

I think there's always room for more *good* online info.
The big challenge is making it easy to find.

Our club already has a presentation
at almost every meeting so at least our club is already covered here.

I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not
involved with any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth transition.

That's a classic problem. But if the advice is offered the right
way, most folks will take it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dee Flint wrote:
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I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth
transition.

A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that,
certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth.
most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to
operate

I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see
on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop
talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get
something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest
barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF

Some techs are cluessless and need hand holding (as do some extras,
general etc) most that have stuck arround a bit are pretty
resuourcefull and fairly pataint
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

AOF:

You know, you have a point there. To tell you the truth, the full impact
just brought me awake alike a slap in the face!

Those ancient HF's with their fondness for mimicking pseudo-military
communications, dreaming of saving-the-world-with-a-brass-key and
using army protocols are going to wage a war like
all-hell-has-broke-loose. And, while providing some entertainment, is
likely to result in complete chaos!

May take a decade just for the flack to clear the air...

John

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:25:00 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:
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I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth
transition.

A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that,
certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth.
most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to
operate

I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see
on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop
talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get
something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest
barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF

Some techs are cluessless and need hand holding (as do some extras,
general etc) most that have stuck arround a bit are pretty
resuourcefull and fairly pataint
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
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I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with
any
groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air
could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth
transition.

A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that,
certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth.
most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to
operate


This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Those that come in with this
type of attitude and expectation are at great risk of creating a
self-fulfilling prophecy.

I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see
on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop
talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get
something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest
barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF


Your club has a problem in that case. However we do not have that problem
in the club to which I belong. It is approximately half Technicians. Two
of our club officers are Technicians. Our club satellite guru was a
Technician until quite recently as was our club VHF guru. They all have
enthusiasm for the club and ham radio and there is mutual respect. The
mutual respect is the key to it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
. ..
Now that the code test is on it's way to join the buggy whip, we need a
new
issue to argue about. There are a lot of threads here devoted to personal
attacks on people I have never heard of. It's getting too much like 80m!

Try getting back on 14.313 for a welcome change.

Ole Sid the Lid has been heard several times on that
freq this week in the afternoon, along with the kooky
indian from Evansville and a few of the old original
gang of Liberty New QRM'ers from years gone by.
They've seemed to have mellowed out a bit but their
still as ornery and ignorant sounding as they were from
years ago. Seems like things never change on ham radio
until they either die off or go into the 'Happy Acres' rest
home, where the closest thing they'll get to a ham radio
is a transistor radio playing rush on the window table and
the closest thing they'll see to a good Metal Ground Plane
is the chromed stainless steel bedpan that Nurse Ratchet
drops by each evening for the "long nights haul...."