.... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

.... but then, what is news about that ...

John

.... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual, as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

.... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual, as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

Dan:

At this point, all I see which has been "proved" is that in humanity there
is a need to set ones own image as being "special", the things they use as
as qualifications to these ends are preposterous--even resorting to
flashing a hobby license at you in pursuit of those ends...

.... grab a chair and view this "circus" of performers out there, and just
to think, they have no clue on the opinions of others viewing them in
their silly performances... indeed, even if you attempt to explain it to
them, it just doesn't make it though that image they have constructed for
themselves.

It is much like watching a "lotus blossom eater" and unable to fathom what
visions must dance before their eyes obscuring the reality which lies
about them... the term "glorified CB'ers" pops to the forefront of ones
mind...

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:57:17 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual, as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

Have you realy found folsk that honestly disgree

this Discontent is why I have a strong inclanation to a One Class
license feeling that what the ARS loses in intail skill would be mad
eup for in in removing that discontent

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... rumor has just reached me that the extras have been unsuccessful, as
of lately... rumor continues to exist they have only been ineffectual, as
of late, because of the vast numbers of "lower class hams" attempting to
glue their lips to the bottoms of the extras--thus keeping the extras so
worn out in finding a place to sit they cannot partake in the usual
practice of deception, manipulation and mind control of the unwitting...

... rumors only, mind you!

John

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:18:55 -0700, John Smith wrote:


... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

Wait a cotton-pickin' minute here ... there are MANY of us who hold extra
class licenses who don't treat other hams that way.

In my travels around the Atlantic Division to club meetings and hamfests, I
have not had a SINGLE person insist that the code test MUST remain.

(Some, but VERY few, have expressed a *mild* personal preference for keeping
the 5 wpm for the extra only, but have indicated that they aren't going to
"get their skivies in a bunch" if the FCC eliminates ALL code testing. The
VAST majority have said, something along the lines of either "I don't use CW
myself and I think it's high time the test was eliminated." or "I like to
use CW, but it's time for the test to go so we can get more people
(particularly kids) involved in ham radio so there are hams remaining when
we're gone.")

73,
Carl - wk3c
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...
There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan ... at last we agree!!!!!!

We *MUST* eliminate this "I'm better than you because (pick one of the
following, or any other reason ... "I have a higher class license." or "I
passed an xx wpm Morse test.") - class warfare.

We are ALL hams ... period. Some are more experienced. They SHOULD be
Elmering (and Elmering doesn't mean "browbeating them into your personal
preferences") the newbies and HELPING them to learn (whatever they want to)
about ham radio, rather than "dising" them and treating them like dirt.

This stuff has GOT to stop!

73,
Carl - wk3c
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c

Carl:

Really man, just poking a bit of fun, it is all good...

It will all work out, I just attempt to appeal to those with a sense of
humor who do not take themselves too seriously...

I would not want to see anyone denied the use of CW if that is what they
wish--I am an american believing in the pursuit of happiness... I don't
think CW'ers dumb or stupid or anything of the sort, but hey, it gets an
argument out of 'em... I do believe element 1 should go the way of the
dinosaur and dodo though... it is good for the old timers...

John

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:01:35 +0000, Carl R. Stevenson wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news

... read all about it!

Extras are attempting to bully all other "lower class forms of licenses"
into submission to their wills (and of course, worship of "The Great CW
God"...

... but then, what is news about that ...

John

Wait a cotton-pickin' minute here ... there are MANY of us who hold extra
class licenses who don't treat other hams that way.

In my travels around the Atlantic Division to club meetings and hamfests, I
have not had a SINGLE person insist that the code test MUST remain.

(Some, but VERY few, have expressed a *mild* personal preference for keeping
the 5 wpm for the extra only, but have indicated that they aren't going to
"get their skivies in a bunch" if the FCC eliminates ALL code testing. The
VAST majority have said, something along the lines of either "I don't use CW
myself and I think it's high time the test was eliminated." or "I like to
use CW, but it's time for the test to go so we can get more people
(particularly kids) involved in ham radio so there are hams remaining when
we're gone.")

73,
Carl - wk3c
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c

John Smith wrote:
Carl:

Really man, just poking a bit of fun, it is all good...

It will all work out, I just attempt to appeal
to those with a sense of
humor who do not take themselves too seriously...

I would not want to see anyone denied the use
of CW if that is what they
wish--I am an american believing in the
pursuit of happiness... I don't
think CW'ers dumb or stupid or anything
of the sort, but hey, it gets an
argument out of 'em...

In other words, "John Smith" is just
an anonymous troll, making baseless
insulting statements just to stir up
an argument.

And he thinks it's "all good" and
"funny" to do so.

N2EY:

It is probably easy for you to make that mistake in your analysis. As you
totally ignore the fact the real problem is the amateurs who take
themselves FAR too seriously, attempt to manipulate others with their
control freak attitudes, have held amateur radio back in the stone age
because of their unwillingness to accept and adopt progress. Ignore the
almost total lack of newbies entering the hobby, etc, etc...

Yes, I can accept it looks that way to you, and you want to block
discussion on the matter because any discussion and thought causes the
facts to come foreword, and the truth becomes obvious. However, I think
you too late, the cat is out of the bag and all can see who can face
reality...

Cheap shots at diverting attention away from the real facts and onto
attacks and battles over personalities only work on those who do not see
reality in the stark light which depicts the decayed state amateur radio
has drifted into under those stewardship who have used these tactics...
I'd cut out the personal attacks and show some embarrassment if I was you,
if there was a shred of credibility left to be had, I'd attempt to win it
back--if I were you...

John


On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:29:02 -0700, N2EY wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Carl:

Really man, just poking a bit of fun, it is all good...

It will all work out, I just attempt to appeal
to those with a sense of
humor who do not take themselves too seriously...

I would not want to see anyone denied the use
of CW if that is what they
wish--I am an american believing in the
pursuit of happiness... I don't
think CW'ers dumb or stupid or anything
of the sort, but hey, it gets an
argument out of 'em...

In other words, "John Smith" is just
an anonymous troll, making baseless
insulting statements just to stir up
an argument.

And he thinks it's "all good" and
"funny" to do so.