Dave Heil wrote:


Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be interesting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected, I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him with open arms.


I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced, based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past. As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying, stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be interesting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected, I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him with open arms.



I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced, based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past. As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying, stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

There's a distinct possibility that Carl is a new person. We'll find
out through the passage of the time leading up to the election. All it
would take to sink his boat would be a single "Howard Dean Moment" in
responding to a hot button issue.

I was referred to as a jackbooted thug, a Nazi and worse by him in the
past. We were all treated to "beeper", "jumping through hoops", "hazing
ritual", "electronic paintball wars" and the like. I have to admit
though, that Carl's response to my recent posting of a few of his past
quotes was quite diplomatic in tone. I understand that Carl is actively
campaigning by visiting Atlantic Division clubs. If the leopard hasn't
changed his spots, it would be nearly impossible for him to keep up a
false front under, what is certain to be, intense questioning from some.

The membership of the Atlantic Division will have a chance to learn
about the views of the three candidates and that they'll make the best
choice from the information available to them.

Dave K8MN

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Dave Heil wrote:


Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be interesting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected, I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him with open arms.


I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced, based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past. As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying, stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB


Or perhaps he decided to make changes from within.

Dan/W4NTI

K0HB:

I think carl is just trying to be nice, he just can't come right out and
say the amateur community has degraded badly... in a perfect world, he
could...

John


On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:33:08 -0700, KØHB wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:


Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be interesting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected, I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him with open arms.


I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced, based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past. As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying, stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be interesting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected, I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him with open arms.


I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced, based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past. As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying, stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

But you stayed.

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

Why would it want to?

Dave Heil wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Carl's race for the Atlantic Division Directorship should be intere=
sting
at the very least. Should he actually get elected,
I'm sure the
seasoned veterans of the League will welcome him
with open arms.

Well, maybe.

Interesting race - the incumbent isn't running again (due to health, I
think) and there are two other candidates.

I was a tad surprised to see his candidacy announced,
based on his
somewhat negative casting of ARRL in the past.

I wasn't surprised at all. It's been clear for 5 years plus
that FCC was sold on complete elimination of Element 1. NCI's
work in the USA is about done. Logical next step for him.

As, when I was ARRL
Dakota Division Vice Director, and he sent this
request to me..... "Now
why don't you do us all a favor and take your lying,
stagnated, ARRL
apologist ass out of here ..."

Perhaps a leopard can change his spots.

Perhaps.

There's a distinct possibility that Carl is a new person.
We'll find
out through the passage of the time leading up to the
election. All it
would take to sink his boat would be a single "Howard Dean
Moment" in
responding to a hot button issue.

I was referred to as a jackbooted thug, a Nazi and worse by
him in the past.

Was it Carl who wrote that or Len Anderson? There was a time when their
styles were quite similar. But Carl calmed down and cleaned up his act
about 5 years ago.

Maybe it was his exposure to W1RFI and some others. Maybe it was his
anti-BPL work, maybe it was his
upgrading to Extra and getting a 2x1 vanity call that caused
the change.

We were all treated to "beeper", "jumping through
hoops", "hazing
ritual", "electronic paintball wars" and the like.

Those I do recall. But you have to look back several years to
see that sort of stuff.

I have to admit
though, that Carl's response to my recent posting of a few of
his past
quotes was quite diplomatic in tone. I understand that Carl is actively
campaigning by visiting Atlantic Division clubs. If the
leopard hasn't
changed his spots, it would be nearly impossible for him to
keep up a
false front under, what is certain to be, intense questioning
from some.

Who knows? Most hams don't read rrap. Most don't know about NCI either.


The membership of the Atlantic Division will have a chance to
learn
about the views of the three candidates and that they'll make
the best
choice from the information available to them.

Yes, we will. ;-)

Maybe a lot of folks will join ARRL in order to vote for WK3C. Maybe a
lot will join to vote against him. Maybe the whole Morse Code test
issue isn't such a big deal to the majority of
members in the Atlantic Division, or maybe they see it as a
done deal and time to move along.

In any event, we haven't seen any of those 'HD moments' in
many a year. And that's a good thing.

None of this is an endorsement for or against WK3C in his run
for the Directorship. Just some observations.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

I was referred to as a jackbooted thug, a Nazi and worse by
him in the past.

Was it Carl who wrote that or Len Anderson? There was a time when their
styles were quite similar. But Carl calmed down and cleaned up his act
about 5 years ago.

Maybe it was his exposure to W1RFI and some others. Maybe it was his
anti-BPL work, maybe it was his
upgrading to Extra and getting a 2x1 vanity call that caused
the change.

I am pretty sure that those epithets were strictly Lenniesque. I
remember some heated exchanges with Carl, but never remember him
falling back to Third Reich references.

In either case, Good Luck to Carl...Stepping up to an elected post
in ANY volunteer organization can be a very fulfilling experience.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


I was referred to as a jackbooted thug, a Nazi and worse by
him in the past.

Was it Carl who wrote that or Len Anderson? There was a time when their
styles were quite similar. But Carl calmed down and cleaned up his act
about 5 years ago.

Maybe it was his exposure to W1RFI and some others. Maybe it was his
anti-BPL work, maybe it was his
upgrading to Extra and getting a 2x1 vanity call that caused
the change.


I am pretty sure that those epithets were strictly Lenniesque. I
remember some heated exchanges with Carl, but never remember him
falling back to Third Reich references.

In either case, Good Luck to Carl...Stepping up to an elected post
in ANY volunteer organization can be a very fulfilling experience.


It must have been Len's work. I apologize to incorrectly attributing
such statements to Carl. I searched and found only a couple of similar
things which could be traced to Carl:


1996

"Discipline and blind acceptance of dogma are crucial if your idea of
government is the jackbooted, indocrinate the youth, cram 'the way'
down everyone's throats whether they like it or not because we say so"
form of government ... that seems to be the pro-code ideal in many
cases ..."


1997 to Mike Deignan:

"That you pro-coders wish to limit participation in the debate to
only incumbent, coded hams shows your EXTREME need for control and
your EXTREME lack of good faith in these debates. Your tactics
border on Fascist/Totalitarian_dictatorship (gee, that's a LOT like
the ARRL BOD as I think about it ...) in nature, because you seek
to eliminate/ignore all voices who dare utter opposing views."

1998 to me:
"It would seem that your *facist* beliefs would preclude the
possibility of freedom of choice in such matters when that
choice would disagree with your personal preference, even
though that choice would have virtually NO impact on you."

and

"Right Dave ... and everyone who has ever been accused of war crimes
tried to use the excuse 'I was just following orders. It wasn't *MY*
fault.' Wrong is wrong ... and your tacit support of the maintenance of
tyranical Morseodism marks you amongst the guilty despite your
protestations to the contrary."

Additionally, I ran across a couple of Carl's past statements on the
League and its officials:

From late 1997:

"What part of that surprises you??? Sumner is a weasel and all he cares
about is begging for more money so he can make sure his paycheck doesn't
bounce."

and


"I hope it made you feel better to 'vent' ... because I'll bet money
that that was all the exercise (telling your ARRL BOD member how you
felt) was good for ... I have YET to find one who gives a damn what
anyone else thinks ... maybe one exists, but I sure haven't found him/her."

and

"I have yet to find a BOD member who has a good answer for ANYTHING, Gary."

and

"So he's a typical ARRL official ... backward and clueless."

and

"The BOD member I am talking about is EXACTLY like that ... he has NO
vision whatsoever ... he comes across nice, and he's probably worked
DXCC, but he is totally clueless about anything that is more than
minimally technical and he has all of the leadership instincts of a
sub-average lemming. But he's SO nice ... in a
Bill_Clinton_slick_politican/really_smooth_used_car_salesman
sort of way, so he keeps getting elected."

Dave K8MN

again and again perhaps you should indulge in the acholoic brevaage of
your choice and relax dave

K4YZ wrote:


In either case, Good Luck to Carl...Stepping up to an elected post
in ANY volunteer organization can be a very fulfilling experience.

As long as it involves a uniform. Hi!