Frank of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"

Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.

What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

What we REALLY ahve here is some mealy-mouthed newsgroup mercenary
who thought he could through some 'nomenclature" around and impress
folks.

Didn't work.

Back to Silliland, frank.

snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.

So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You did nothing of the sort.

I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

You might as well draw a picture, Frankie...crayons or
watercolors?

In either case it will look as infantile as your efforts to
belittle MY service in the United States Marine Corps.

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

Hey, YOU'RE the mercenary here, Frankie.

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote:
Frank of Silliland wrote:

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.

That makes two of us.

The Sergant Major of the Marine Corps would fall off his chair
laughing at some silliness like that!

But of course Frank IS rom Silliland, so I bet he's used to it!

I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers. It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.

The ONLY DD-214's I received in the USMC were at re-enlistments
and my final -214.

The -214 is NOT a "transfer" document except to "transfer" from
Active Duty to severence or retirement.

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?



What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

In other words Frankie wants you to back off so he and the Feeble
Five can "have at me" by them selves...Guess it TAKES five...

73

Steve, K4YZ

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"



Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "
wrote in
ups.com:

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."



Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.



What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

I'm beginning to understand how you came to make PFC over and over.
According to a CBer named Frank Gilliland, Steve was not a Marine and is
probably not a radio amateur. I see. *guffaw*


No, I don't think you see at all; I'm saying that the person in this
newsgroup posting as N4YZ is not Gunnery Sergeant Steven J. Robeson,
USMC Retired. As far as I know it's you posting as K4YZ (seeing as how
you two tend to post at almost the same time of day).


snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.



So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.



I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.


I really don't care what you believe, Dave.


snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)



My bad.

...but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.



I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers.


You may have some new information. What's the title and edition date
of -your- DD-214?


It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.


Interesting indeed.


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?



What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.


Grow up.








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :

I'm beginning to understand how you came to make PFC over and over.
According to a CBer named Frank Gilliland, Steve was not a Marine and is
probably not a radio amateur. I see. *guffaw*


No, I don't think you see at all; I'm saying that the person in this
newsgroup posting as N4YZ is not Gunnery Sergeant Steven J. Robeson,
USMC Retired.

No one here IS posting as N4YZ, Fankie.

As far as I know it's you posting as K4YZ (seeing as how
you two tend to post at almost the same time of day).

You're posting a the same time too, Frankie...

Maybe YOU are Dave, K8MN AND K4YZ...?!?!

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

You let them know? Really? I have trouble believing you, Frank.

I really don't care what you believe, Dave.

You're responding to his posts...Obviously you DO care.

Sure, Frank. I understood what you wrote. I just can't accept it as
fact. My DD-214 (you know, the full-sized one which I don't carry
around with me), issued in 1972 says nothing about transfers.

You may have some new information. What's the title and edition date
of -your- DD-214?

I imagine YOUR "information" is only as current as the last Clancy
novel you read.

It is the
only DD-214 issued to me in four years of service. I had three
transfers while in the Air Force. None were on a DD-214. Go figure.

Interesting indeed.

What's interesting about it?

I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.



Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately too,
Frankie!

Steve, K4YZ

when you going to stop avoiding the question

most likely never
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :
cut
You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately too,
Frankie!

why should or I for that matter answer your question

you don't answer answeringany yourself

Steve, K4YZ

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
when you going to stop avoiding the question

What question? What "bull####"...?!?!

When are YOU going to stop avoiding the question (about errors
with your callsign? You've "cut" it seven times now...Wassamatta..?!?!

most likely never

What question? What "bull####"...?!?!

K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :
cut
You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately to,
Frankie!

why should or I for that matter answer your question

Why indeed. You usually (not always) avoid tough questions,
Markie.

you don't answer answering any yourself

Sure I do.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
when you going to stop avoiding the question

What question? What "bull****"...?!?!

Your Bull****

your claims that Michigan is going to do something to me ?

you claims that My lying to you is in anyway subejct to any knid of
scantion from michigan


When are YOU going to stop avoiding the question (about errors
with your callsign? You've "cut" it seven times now...Wassamatta..?!?!

becuase the question is irelavant wther or not you have continued to
mangle my callsign has nothing to do the fact you did it


most likely never

What question? What "bull####"...?!?!

K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:31:17 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in :
cut
You answer my question, I'll answer yours.

Grow up.

Well HEAVEN FORBID that you'd actually answer a question instead of
trying to fan flamewars that you are only Johnny-come-lately to,
Frankie!

why should or I for that matter answer your question

Why indeed. You usually (not always) avoid tough questions,
Markie.

you don't answer answering any yourself

Sure I do.

Your Seven Hostile Actions?

Proof that did anything with your Mars Callsigns

Why don't you know the equipment you worked with?

there are many others that show a liar

Steve, K4YZ

From: Frank Gilliland on Wed 24 Aug 2005 23:58

wrote in

snip
Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."

Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

Tweedle Davie is real. Tweedle Buzzy is an anony-mouse...worse,
Buzzy taking the name of a TV show "hero" of yesteryear (or is it
a comic strip character?). I classify Buzzy as about as relevant
as "Brewster Rockit, Space Guy" or "Buzz Lightyear." :-)

snip
LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.

So do Marines.

So do all the military branches. Anyone who puts their life on
the line for their country/community feels protective about
their service organization.


snip

A DD 214 form has been relatively unchanged
in 50 years,

While I was hashing out Kerry's record with Dave Hall (N3CVJ) it
became obvious that the DD-214 was used for both discharges -and-
transfers until around 1980 (official title: "Report of Transfer or
Discharge"). That's how the Rove/Bush campaign managed to confuse the
public regarding Kerry's service -- using shill blogs (and sheople
like N3CVJ) to suggest that Kerry's records were somehow forged or
faked. Anyway, Gunny Robeson should have more than one DD-214. Dudly
has claimed to have only one. Looks like he flunked again.

I was referring to the general nature of the form. :-)

My bad.

No problem with me. :-)

Can't help you on later editions. My single DD-214 form is dated
1 Jul 52 and was filled in at Fort Sheridan, IL, in February 1956.
Back then its title was "Report of Separation From the Armed Forces
of the United States."

One of Kerry's DD-214's (filled out 15 Dec. 66) was edition 1 NOV 55,
and states that it "replaces edition of 1 JUL 52". Looks like your
admin clerk took an extra-long Christmas vacation.....;-)

Heh heh heh heh. How about that? :-)

All I know is that mine was typed-in by a cute but robotic E-4
gal on a Saturday at Fort Sheridan. Our processing was pushed
suddenly due to an influx of others expected in from Yurp on
the next Monday (ahead of some kind of schedule they thought
they had).

Unfortunately, some yo-yo will pick that item up as some kind of
"proof" that "I never served" or something vacuous or puerile.
However, the Social Security folks, the Department of the Army,
the National Archives and Records Administration, FBI, IRS,
etc., all accept the fact. :-)

snip
I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

I bought one at Fort Sheridan in '56 for $2...was mailed to me
in a week. Impulse buy then. Has been fun to pull out when the
need arises to "prove" something to big-mouths met in person.
Laminated in plastic, it has lasted 49 years in my wallet. :-)

I would rank it FAR higher in value than some "ham radio badge"
(shield)(cop-wannabe style) that some outfit was advertising on
a ham website once. Jay-suss, imagine elevating a hobby license
to police-like status with a BADGE.

THAT kind of raddio kopp ought to be read a "Miranda": "You have
the right to remain silent...anything you do or say will be held
against you...etc"

Sounds like Davie Heil has one of those buzzers...

bit bit

From: Frank Gilliland on Thurs 25 Aug 2005 04:22

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:42:41 GMT, Dave Heil sang:
"H-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-y!"

:-)

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 24 Aug 2005 17:35:53 -0700, "

snip

Those are typical remarks Dudly tried to put
down in here. He wants to diminish ANY accomplishments of others
that he deems are his "opponents."

Well, he failed there, too. Now he has Tweedle Dave and Tweedle Buzz
fighting his fights for him.

It's only fair, Twiddle Frank. After all, we've got a CBer and a
non-ham (Twaddle Len) writing all sorts of malicious nonsense.

What you have is a USMC imposter that is probably also a ham imposter,
and two EE's with verifiable military backgrounds.

Tsk. Davie is jumping in NOT to "save the day" but to avenge
his own ego, his perception of himself as "superior" to most
others not of his exhaulted extra status...and from wounds still
open from long ago in the newsgroup when he was a "rare one" in
foreign ham lands. :-)


snip

LAPD are
fussy about imitators here, even IN the entertainment industry,
and DO do things about those who are pretenders.

So do Marines.

There you go. You've got a mission. Contact the Corps about Steve and
let them know that he wasn't a Marine.

I let them know that a person in here is claiming to be a retired USMC
gunny but is most likely an imposter, if that's what you mean. If they
choose to act on it that's up to them.

That's as it should be...for ALL impersonators of military service.

...but just a few posts ago, a DD-214 (according to you) was for
transfers and made Steve guilty of something.

I see that you are just as deficient in quantitative reasoning skills
as you are in qualitative reasoning skills. To wit: From 1955 to 1979
the DD-214 was used for both transfers and discharges. Dudly claims to
have served from 1974 until 1992, and therefore would have served five
of those years during the time when the DD-214 was used for transfers.
The only people who stay at one duty station for five years or more
are high-ranking uppity-ups. Therefore, Gunny Robeson would have at
least one (and probably two) DD-214's -in addition to- the DD-214 used
for his discharge. Dudly only claims to have -one- DD-214. Therefore,
Dudly is -not- Gunny Robeson.

Did you understand that or do you need me to draw you a picture?

Davie needs it done in triplicate on official Department of
State forms. He was in "the foreign service," ya know. :-)

Ackshully, Davie just loves to FIGHT...but not in any continuous
day-in, day-out basis like Dudly. Davie thinks he is in some
kind of "restricted area" open only for "his kind." Davie also
totally lacks any of the diplomatic skills of the Department of
State in his postings here. Archtypical "ugly American" picture
he presents.


I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

What kind of guy carries a copy of his DD-214 around with him?

What kind of Marine lets someone else fight his battles?

Davie was NEVER in the USMC. He claims to be ex-air-farts...plus
another bunch of Dudly-like generalities of implied "in-country"
action in Vietnam. Lots of generalities, NO specifics...save for
supposedly doing MARS work in 'Nam.

There it is interesting in similarities. At first Davie did not
mention his MARS work there. In another thread I did quote some
items from the Army Center of Military History wherein they said
that MARS radio contacts with the States were excellent for morale
purposes and did much for both servicemen and their families and
friends. Later, Davie was claiming HE did MARS things in Vietnam.
For the USA the Vietnam War ENDED 30 years ago...and so did the
"Draft."

WE (the readers) are NOT supposed to challenge anything of this
esteemed (or steamed) veteran of "the foreign service." Nor have
WE any right to request any proof of HIS statements. Tsk, tsk.

I carry that little miniature DD-214 with me because I got it in
1956 then as a memento. Laminated in plastic, no bigger than any
other card in my wallet, it doesn't take up much space. It IS
a handy proof, easily producible, for those who challenge my time
and service (a few have in-person). If they need more, I can
always copy the original documents full-size, stored in my safety
deposit box. So far, only personnel departments have requested
that much. That miniature form is also a good conversation
piece at social gatherings...:-) It also caused one "imposter"
in a social group to slink away when confronted about His
"exploits." :-)

gon imp

On 25 Aug 2005 16:04:22 -0700, "
wrote in
.com:

snip
Can't help you on later editions. My single DD-214 form is dated
1 Jul 52 and was filled in at Fort Sheridan, IL, in February 1956.
Back then its title was "Report of Separation From the Armed Forces
of the United States."

One of Kerry's DD-214's (filled out 15 Dec. 66) was edition 1 NOV 55,
and states that it "replaces edition of 1 JUL 52". Looks like your
admin clerk took an extra-long Christmas vacation.....;-)

Heh heh heh heh. How about that? :-)

All I know is that mine was typed-in by a cute but robotic E-4
gal on a Saturday at Fort Sheridan. Our processing was pushed
suddenly due to an influx of others expected in from Yurp on
the next Monday (ahead of some kind of schedule they thought
they had).

Unfortunately, some yo-yo will pick that item up as some kind of
"proof" that "I never served" or something vacuous or puerile.


Just be glad you weren't running for President.


However, the Social Security folks, the Department of the Army,
the National Archives and Records Administration, FBI, IRS,
etc., all accept the fact. :-)


Four months through the supply line in 1952 isn't worrisome enough to
require even a mild laxative. It's not like they could have downloaded
the form off the internet and printed it up on an HP. And it's still
common practice to use up old forms before popping open a fresh box of
replacements -- as long as the intended purpose is within the scope of
the old form. But I'm sure -someone- will pitch a bitch.


snip
I carry around a credit-card-size reduction of my DD-214 for fun,
have used it as local proof (needs a magnifying glass to see the
detail). Once got into a conversation with a Vietvet at a party
who had gotten a similar laminated reduction...he got out in '74...
we compared forms and they seemed to be very nearly identical.

Hey, that's a neat idea! I gotta do that, keep it right next to my
Blue Nose card.

I bought one at Fort Sheridan in '56 for $2...was mailed to me
in a week. Impulse buy then. Has been fun to pull out when the
need arises to "prove" something to big-mouths met in person.
Laminated in plastic, it has lasted 49 years in my wallet. :-)

I would rank it FAR higher in value than some "ham radio badge"
(shield)(cop-wannabe style) that some outfit was advertising on
a ham website once. Jay-suss, imagine elevating a hobby license
to police-like status with a BADGE.


Yeah, some of these hams have real issues. They aren't all hams, but
for some reason they are often attracted to ham radio. A couple years
ago I tried to sell an old 16-ch Regency that covered 137-150 MHz and
would have been a great starter radio or backup for 2m. Yet almost
everyone who responded wanted to know if it could be converted to
cover the police and/or fire bands and none of them would show proof
of licensure when asked. Kinda scary to think that there are so many
nuts out there just waiting for an opportunity to impersonate a cop.







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