Mike:

Text-to-speech and speech-to-text should be thought of in the same way as
the internet in regards to the pony-express or the US Postal System...

While in the future there will be keyboards, it would make as much sense
to use them as attempting to participate in this newsgroup via us postal
mail--worse, get someone on horseback to deliver your post!

.... some adapt easier than others ...

John

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:48:50 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Jim Hampton wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Jim:

You should fully investigate "text-to-speech" and "speech-to-text"; typing
is indeed becoming as extinct as the dodo bird (and cw.)

Frankly, keyboards are probably only as prevalent as they are for much the
same reasons as cw--humans are creatures of habit, the newest generations
probably will kill the keyboard...

John



Hello, John

Well, I guess I've got to admit that I might be getting stumped.

How do I use speach to text to write programs in Visual Basic or C? Can the
program understand the difference between "to", "too", and "two"?

Don't worry as the China will probably do your work for you


The way I figure it, as long as we know how to ask "Would you like
fries with that?" We've had all the job training we need these days! 8^(

For better or worse, I would hazard that 99 people out of 100 would not
even think of programming when they think of keyboards. But then, isn't
programming something they do in India?

Congrats on getting that new job!

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:58:28 -0000, "W2DNE" wrote:

If CW is dead....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for
setting up SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...18/FM24-_9.htm


Answer: For the same reason that, if you search the web long enough,
you might possibly come up with all or part of an operating manual for
an old military spark-gap transmitter - namely that a lot of
information about old military stuff can be found on the Internet.

For example, I followed the link above, only to find myself staring at
part of the instructions for the AN/VRC-45 and AN/VRC-49 radios. Not
unlike the use of CW in US military communications, these two radios
are obsolete, having been replaced by the AN/VRC-93 UHF TACSAT (as in
TACtical SATellite) radios.

John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS)
zIRC #monitor Admin

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Jim:

It is only necessary to create the association between any spoken word and
the series of characters you wish to generate when that word is spoken,
into a library of such associations...

In other words, if I speak "the" and make the association to the
characters "t-h-e" the speech to text engine will always generate those
characters when I speak that specific word--I could just as easily
associate the spoken "the" with any other series of characters.

Now, while you and I might not go to that trouble if we are fast typists,
others who do not type will... those who are blind will... companies and
corps will (and especially those employing disabled workers.) I have seen
such libraries on the net for specific uses, such as programming, before.
You most likely can download one for the speech engine in question...

There are groups devoted to the blind who could easily supply you with
them, I am sure...

John


Hello, John

You have an idea that is remiss in a thought or two. One of my friends I
have known for years is blind. He types. You do *not* have to see in order
to type. I need not (and usually do not) look at the keyboard. In fact, I
never look at the keyboard. Once you know where the home keys are, you
don't need to see. In fact, check and see if your "f" and "j" keys have
little bumps on them to assist you in finding the home keys. Amazing, ain't
it LOL

I learned grade 1.5 Braille when I was a teenager. I used a Braille slate,
although it is far easier to use a Braille writer. My friend has a text to
speach translator. They work quite well and are great for his e-mail, but
speach to text has a problem.

This brings to mind a simple diddy:
Rockabye homonym, on the tree top
when the wind blows, the homonym will rock
and when the bow breaks, the homonym will fall
and down comes your arguement, homonym and all.
takes a bough

As you can see, I might associate "to" with the letters "t" and "o" combined
for one word. Unfortunately, when I wish to add the word "two", I will see
that the spoken word is already associated with the word "to". Too big a
problem, I suspect. Woops, there just went another too, too - or is that
tu-tu?

Further, how does one do addresses? I want the numbers to be stated as one
block, with no commas should the address be something like 1600 Pennsylvania
Avenue. Of course, no one is usually there at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue, but
the arguement seems solid. I can't even use "my address" as two words come
out rather than my street address - heaven help me if I want to add my
e-mail address. Will "at" appear as "at" or "@"? Will ampersand appear as
"ampersand" or "@"? Suppose I wish to use the word in a sentence?

If you can't speak, you could always be in a restaurant with a lap-top with
text to speach and type in "blew cheese dressing, please" and it sounds
perfectly proper, despite the error in spelling. However, it doesn't work
in the other direction. Now you have a spelling and/or context problem.

Hope you understand my point


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim:

Yes, I thought "typing by touch" was a given, I thought it a waste of time
in mentioning to anyone using a keyboard...

However, once it is necessary to present the blind with text-to-speech it
is only obvious they can make excellent use of speech-to-text--especially
since the text is usually spelled back to them for checking...

We used to have a blind coder at a kernel driver shop I worked for, that
was ten years ago, and he was using the both engines... I don't even have
a concept of how far all that has advanced in a decade.

But, I take it for granted, the only reason I am still using a keyboard is
because of my religious devotion to it... on IRC chat I come into contact
with those using the speech-to-text engines (many blind/disabled use
IRC for social contact)--if they did not make me aware, I would only
believe they were faster typists than myself...

John

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:55:27 +0000, Jim Hampton wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Jim:

It is only necessary to create the association between any spoken word and
the series of characters you wish to generate when that word is spoken,
into a library of such associations...

In other words, if I speak "the" and make the association to the
characters "t-h-e" the speech to text engine will always generate those
characters when I speak that specific word--I could just as easily
associate the spoken "the" with any other series of characters.

Now, while you and I might not go to that trouble if we are fast typists,
others who do not type will... those who are blind will... companies and
corps will (and especially those employing disabled workers.) I have seen
such libraries on the net for specific uses, such as programming, before.
You most likely can download one for the speech engine in question...

There are groups devoted to the blind who could easily supply you with
them, I am sure...

John


Hello, John

You have an idea that is remiss in a thought or two. One of my friends I
have known for years is blind. He types. You do *not* have to see in order
to type. I need not (and usually do not) look at the keyboard. In fact, I
never look at the keyboard. Once you know where the home keys are, you
don't need to see. In fact, check and see if your "f" and "j" keys have
little bumps on them to assist you in finding the home keys. Amazing, ain't
it LOL

I learned grade 1.5 Braille when I was a teenager. I used a Braille slate,
although it is far easier to use a Braille writer. My friend has a text to
speach translator. They work quite well and are great for his e-mail, but
speach to text has a problem.

This brings to mind a simple diddy:
Rockabye homonym, on the tree top
when the wind blows, the homonym will rock
and when the bow breaks, the homonym will fall
and down comes your arguement, homonym and all.
takes a bough

As you can see, I might associate "to" with the letters "t" and "o" combined
for one word. Unfortunately, when I wish to add the word "two", I will see
that the spoken word is already associated with the word "to". Too big a
problem, I suspect. Woops, there just went another too, too - or is that
tu-tu?

Further, how does one do addresses? I want the numbers to be stated as one
block, with no commas should the address be something like 1600 Pennsylvania
Avenue. Of course, no one is usually there at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue, but
the arguement seems solid. I can't even use "my address" as two words come
out rather than my street address - heaven help me if I want to add my
e-mail address. Will "at" appear as "at" or "@"? Will ampersand appear as
"ampersand" or "@"? Suppose I wish to use the word in a sentence?

If you can't speak, you could always be in a restaurant with a lap-top with
text to speach and type in "blew cheese dressing, please" and it sounds
perfectly proper, despite the error in spelling. However, it doesn't work
in the other direction. Now you have a spelling and/or context problem.

Hope you understand my point


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

John:

I entered #monitor though dalnet servers. The channel welcome notice
states it is cross linked with zirc (if there isn't a split or other tech
probs), what is your nick there?

John

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:52:25 -0400, John Kasupski wrote:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:58:28 -0000, "W2DNE" wrote:

If CW is dead....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for
setting up SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...18/FM24-_9.htm


Answer: For the same reason that, if you search the web long enough,
you might possibly come up with all or part of an operating manual for
an old military spark-gap transmitter - namely that a lot of
information about old military stuff can be found on the Internet.

For example, I followed the link above, only to find myself staring at
part of the instructions for the AN/VRC-45 and AN/VRC-49 radios. Not
unlike the use of CW in US military communications, these two radios
are obsolete, having been replaced by the AN/VRC-93 UHF TACSAT (as in
TACtical SATellite) radios.

John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS)
zIRC #monitor Admin

John:

From the following:

John_Smith, lexicon says John_Smith, lexicon says: KNY2VS
) was last seen quitting #satcom 4 days
18 hours 53 minutes ago (22.08. 17:23) stating ""th y R .g"" after
spending 1 hour 34 minutes there.: KNY2VS

I take it, KNY2VS is it...

John

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:52:25 -0400, John Kasupski wrote:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:58:28 -0000, "W2DNE" wrote:

If CW is dead....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for
setting up SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...18/FM24-_9.htm


Answer: For the same reason that, if you search the web long enough,
you might possibly come up with all or part of an operating manual for
an old military spark-gap transmitter - namely that a lot of
information about old military stuff can be found on the Internet.

For example, I followed the link above, only to find myself staring at
part of the instructions for the AN/VRC-45 and AN/VRC-49 radios. Not
unlike the use of CW in US military communications, these two radios
are obsolete, having been replaced by the AN/VRC-93 UHF TACSAT (as in
TACtical SATellite) radios.

John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS)
zIRC #monitor Admin

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Mike:

Text-to-speech and speech-to-text should be thought of in the same way as
the internet in regards to the pony-express or the US Postal System...

While in the future there will be keyboards, it would make as much sense
to use them as attempting to participate in this newsgroup via us postal
mail--worse, get someone on horseback to deliver your post!

... some adapt easier than others ...

John


Hello, John

It is all a matter of the proper tool at the proper time. Sure, you can
order a new computer via the Internet, but the Internet cannot deliver it.
They you go to the post office or UPS.

One tool doesn't work for everything LOL.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

W2DNE wrote:
....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for setting up
SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...18/FM24-_9.htm

This is an amateur radio forum.

For an answer to you question, may I direct you to the United States
Army?

From: W2DNE on Aug 27, 6:58 am

....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for setting up
SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...iew/public/479...

Answer: THEY DO NOT for manual radiotelegraphy ("morse code").

FM 24-18 is a basic PRIMER on radio communications, an introductory
text which has been around for at least three decades. The version
approved for public distribution is dated 30 Sep 87, superseding
the one for 13 Dec 84. Much of the equipment mentioned is OBSOLETE
now and has been for decade(s). The AN/GRC-26D, for example, (an
HF station in a hut on the bed of a 2 1/2 ton truck) dates back to
the first half of the 1950s! The AN/PRC-70 manpack HF set went bye-
bye in the 1980s, replaced with the AN/PRC-104 designed by Hughes
Aircraft Ground Division.

There is NO "SINCGARS-V" in the U.S. military. You are confusing
"single-channel" as in one set, one operator, with the SINCGARS
family of SINgle Channel Ground Air Radio System that begins with
the manpack AN/PRC-119 (first operational 1989) and continues on
through two ground/vehicular versions (using same R/T) and two
airborne avionics versions. Just as the AN/PRC-77 replaced the
AN/PRC-25 VHF portable FM transceiver, the frequency-hopping
digitized voice/data (with selectable COMSEC internal) AN/PRC-119
replaced the PRC-77. The PRC-25 and PRC-77 were both used in the
Vietnam War that ended 30 years ago. The SINCGARS family is
perhaps the most produced of any military radio communications set
with 250 Thousand produced and fielded between 1989 and end of
2003 by ITT Fort Wayne, IN, and General Dynamics Ground Division
(now dissolved) in Florida. The PRC-119 is expected to be replaced
by the PRC-150 designed and built by Harris Corporation, NY.

SINCGARS sets, along with nearly every HF-VHF-UHF radio set designed
and built since WW2, have provisions for remote operation through
various interface-control equipments. When remote operation talks
about "CW" they do NOT mean manual radiotelegraphy as is common
in radio amateur parlance. "CW" in the military manual sense is
control over the basic CARRIER transmission. In actual practice
SINCGARS is used in small-unit operations (a few vehicles, squads)
and many may be in the same radio-range area but "separated" (non-
interference operation) by their digital/frequency-hopping option.
SINCGARS sets, manpack through airborne, have NO provision for
connecting any manual "morse code" key or sending any "morse code"
radiotelegraphy signals.

The U.S. military does NOT teach any manual radiotelegraphy skills
for communications purposes. It does teach radiotelegraphy
cognition for ELINT intercept-analysis as part of four MOSs for
Military Intelligence operations at the M.I. School in Fort
Huachuca, AZ.

FM 24-18 is a fairly good introductory handbook on radio for anyone
who wishes to learn basic radio facts and radio wave propagation
along with several types of antennas. It is a free download through
the Army Training and Doctrine Digital Library (in the given link)
and may be copied from military CDs containing Field and Techmical
Manuals (not fully public distribution) through LOGSA (LOGistics
Supply Agency). In particular, the "nevis" (pronounced version of
NVIS or Near Vertical Incidence Skywave) techniques used by U.S.
land forces radio since the 1970s; known colloquially as "cloud
burners" by amateurs.

Manual radiotelegraphy for communications is essentially "dead" for
every other U.S. radio service...except amateur radio. Accept that
and carry on. As you were...

"W2DNE" wrote in message
...
....why do the US Army Field Manuals provide instructions for setting up
SINGCARS-V radios in CW mode?

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...18/FM24-_9.htm




CQ Magazine reports they had the most EVER CW entries in the CQWWDX (World
Wide DX Contest) in 2004.

Not bad for a dead mode, eh?

Dan/W4NTI