Here you have a true picture of the sorry state of amateur radio. A bunch
of ancient, silly old men lying about military service, and arguing about
such... all which has nothing to do with the amateur hobby in this
century, in this millennium...

These subjects, which the vast majority of amateurs have no interest in,
do nothing to assist amateur radio, indeed, they only further aids its'
decay.

CW is as important to the future as the model A, the steam engine, the
the horse and buggy, etc... and yet you have the greatest expenditure of
energy revolving around it. There are no men with the vision, courage and
skills to be able to step in and move focus on points which would move
amateur radio ahead...

Only old gossipers using ancient technology to further their own
self-serving interests are the problem, sane men have fled for other
frontiers...

It is ridiculous to watch...

John

From: John Smith on Aug 29, 8:08 am


Here you have a true picture of the sorry state of amateur radio. A bunch
of ancient, silly old men lying about military service, and arguing about
such... all which has nothing to do with the amateur hobby in this
century, in this millennium...

These subjects, which the vast majority of amateurs have no interest in,
do nothing to assist amateur radio, indeed, they only further aids its'
decay.

CW is as important to the future as the model A, the steam engine, the
the horse and buggy, etc... and yet you have the greatest expenditure of
energy revolving around it. There are no men with the vision, courage and
skills to be able to step in and move focus on points which would move
amateur radio ahead...

Actually, there ARE those. Only one of them has been in this
newsgroup (Carl Stevenson)...and has been roundly booed or
snubbed by those "ancient, silly old men" you mentioned.

Only old gossipers using ancient technology to further their own
self-serving interests are the problem, sane men have fled for other
frontiers...

It is ridiculous to watch...

I find it morbidly fascinating! :-)

wrote


Actually, there ARE those. Only one of them has been in this
newsgroup (Carl Stevenson)...and has been roundly booed or
snubbed by those "ancient, silly old men" you mentioned.


"Only one"?

Present company excepted, how about these representative examples just for
starters....

....W1RFI
....KE4ZV
....KA9Q
....WB9IVR(SK)
....KE3Z

He is talking about you.....Lennie.

Dan/W4NTI

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From: John Smith on Aug 29, 8:08 am


Here you have a true picture of the sorry state of amateur radio. A bunch
of ancient, silly old men lying about military service, and arguing about
such... all which has nothing to do with the amateur hobby in this
century, in this millennium...

These subjects, which the vast majority of amateurs have no interest in,
do nothing to assist amateur radio, indeed, they only further aids its'
decay.

CW is as important to the future as the model A, the steam engine, the
the horse and buggy, etc... and yet you have the greatest expenditure of
energy revolving around it. There are no men with the vision, courage and
skills to be able to step in and move focus on points which would move
amateur radio ahead...

Actually, there ARE those. Only one of them has been in this
newsgroup (Carl Stevenson)...and has been roundly booed or
snubbed by those "ancient, silly old men" you mentioned.

Only old gossipers using ancient technology to further their own
self-serving interests are the problem, sane men have fled for other
frontiers...

It is ridiculous to watch...

I find it morbidly fascinating! :-)

From: K0HB on Aug 29, 12:20 pm


wrote

Actually, there ARE those. Only one of them has been in this
newsgroup (Carl Stevenson)...and has been roundly booed or
snubbed by those "ancient, silly old men" you mentioned.

"Only one"?

YES. Are you running for anything now, Hans? :-)

Present company excepted, how about these representative examples just for
starters....

...W1RFI
...KE4ZV
...KA9Q
...WB9IVR(SK)
...KE3Z

Have those listed individuals been here in the last year? Last two
years?

Ed Hare (W1RFI) and Jon Bloom (KE3Z) are both EMPLOEES of the ARRL.
[Jon makes more than Ed]

I suppose either or both could run for some League office, but, to
avoid obvious conflict of interest charges and finger-pointing, they
would have to quit.

Gary Coffman (KE4ZV) USED to post in here on a fairly regular basis.
If he is running for some kind of post, I don't know it and will
civilly accept a correction. He hasn't been here lately.

Phil Karn (KA9Q) is vice-president for technology of Qualcomm. I
remember only one posting from him in THIS newsgroup.

Remember that "cell phones 'always' fail in an emergency" and can't
ever be used for emergency communications according to some amateur
mythologists. :-) [Qualcomm makes cell phone stuff for those too
iggorant to keep up with raddio things]

Hiram Percy Maxim (W1AW) is reputed to have "done a lot for amateur
radio" but he passed on before the electronic computer became
reality, well before the PC and the Internet existed.

Don Stoner did a lot for advancing the state of the (HF) amateur
radio art and he and Pierre Goral formed a company in WA state
called SGC (the Stoner-Goral Company). I don't think either one
has been here, much less lately. They are both SK now.

All sorts of names come to mind. What else would you like to
be corrected on? :-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
news

Here you have a true picture of the sorry state of amateur radio. A
bunch
of ancient, silly old men lying about military service, and arguing about
such... all which has nothing to do with the amateur hobby in this
century, in this millennium...

These subjects, which the vast majority of amateurs have no interest in,
do nothing to assist amateur radio, indeed, they only further aids its'
decay.

CW is as important to the future as the model A, the steam engine, the
the horse and buggy, etc... and yet you have the greatest expenditure of
energy revolving around it. There are no men with the vision, courage
and
skills to be able to step in and move focus on points which would move
amateur radio ahead...

Only old gossipers using ancient technology to further their own
self-serving interests are the problem, sane men have fled for other
frontiers...

It is ridiculous to watch...

John

Actually John the boys on 75 meters will have much to talk about
over the comming days with Hurrican Katrina and it's effects on
New Orleans. Last night I was listening up on 3.9-- and heard
conversations going on like..........

"..hey Clem, did you just see the bigassed black woman complaining
on MS-NBC because shes been waiting for 3 hours to get into the
Superdome with her 4 nigglets and how that it ain't right keeping
needy families out in the rain.... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

(to which Clem -name changed- replies

"naw I'm watchin CNN ain't interested, those ni-gers can all drown for what
I care"

It's great to see that Ham Radio still has it's monopoly on
racist 4-land rednecks like it had back in 1950. Then I went
to tuning across the band and the hurricane was the topic
of conversation with comments like tihis:

"I saw a pix of the bros packing in there a few min ago..
can U imagine the stench when the toilets back up from
the flooding??? Ughhhh.... Think about the smell of the
food wrappers and food leftovers in the trash cans, the
dregs of New Orleans without showers. Unless they
let people cycle through the dressing room showers.
It will be funky enough with the sewers working.
The really sad part is the foreigners who were caught in
all this. They will be stuck in the Superdome with the
very worst America has to offer."

Len:

Yes, I think I rather like carl...

At first I was just wondering if he was another status quo type, and maybe
they have managed to transform him into one. But, when someone had posted
past comments of his (which I was in horror to watch him apologize for!)
I realized he might be the right man for the job, at least a help rather
than a hindrance.

But, you are correct... it is morbidly fascinating, in sick way... frown

John

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:47:30 -0700, wrote:

From: John Smith on Aug 29, 8:08 am


Here you have a true picture of the sorry state of amateur radio. A bunch
of ancient, silly old men lying about military service, and arguing about
such... all which has nothing to do with the amateur hobby in this
century, in this millennium...

These subjects, which the vast majority of amateurs have no interest in,
do nothing to assist amateur radio, indeed, they only further aids its'
decay.

CW is as important to the future as the model A, the steam engine, the
the horse and buggy, etc... and yet you have the greatest expenditure of
energy revolving around it. There are no men with the vision, courage and
skills to be able to step in and move focus on points which would move
amateur radio ahead...

Actually, there ARE those. Only one of them has been in this
newsgroup (Carl Stevenson)...and has been roundly booed or
snubbed by those "ancient, silly old men" you mentioned.

Only old gossipers using ancient technology to further their own
self-serving interests are the problem, sane men have fled for other
frontiers...

It is ridiculous to watch...

I find it morbidly fascinating! :-)

All,

I am a somewhat younger person (43 yrs) and I still see a use for CW.


1) Since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can squeeze
it in between massive amounts of QRM on the 40 meter band and still
manage to get heard.

2) Again, since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can
get more kilometers per watt out of the signal... basically you get
reach the furtherest across the world with it.

3) It is the only digital mode that does not require computer
machinery to interpret.

4) It the mode that requiring the simplest of equipment to implement.
Worst case, one could use crystal oscillator and a crystal receiver to
make a contact one state away. Try that with SSB or packet!

To me, CW is to communication as a lightsaber is to combat: both are
archaic, elegant, and extremely effective ways of getting your point
made. There might not be Jedi in this galaxy, but in my mind CW
operation is the next best thing.

The Eternal Squire

From: on Aug 30, 3:15 pm

All,

I am a somewhat younger person (43 yrs) and I still see a use for CW.

1) Since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can squeeze
it in between massive amounts of QRM on the 40 meter band and still
manage to get heard.

2) Again, since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can
get more kilometers per watt out of the signal... basically you get
reach the furtherest across the world with it.

ONLY if the ionosphere is "kind" to you and you stay BELOW
VHF. Get below MF and them lil QRP things will go dead.

3) It is the only digital mode that does not require computer
machinery to interpret.

The "digital" label is incorrect. Since OOK CW morse has
only two states, carrier-on or carrier-off, it is BINARY.

The Morse-Vail "code" is so simple in technology that it can
be done with wires and a battery, NO radio required.

Why are you doing the ex deus machina thing? What are you
using to get your posting out to the rest of the Internet?


4) It the mode that requiring the simplest of equipment to implement.
Worst case, one could use crystal oscillator and a crystal receiver to
make a contact one state away. Try that with SSB or packet!

In 1844 the Morse-Vail Telegraph successfully demonstrated
wired communications between Baltimore, MD, and Washington,
DC. WITHOUT any radio whatsoever! That should "qualify" as
"contact one state away."

If "contacting another state" is so important, I need only
drive a day or two to another state...where I can stand in
that state and TALK to three other states! No radio of any
kind needed! :-)


To me, CW is to communication as a lightsaber is to combat: both are
archaic, elegant, and extremely effective ways of getting your point
made. There might not be Jedi in this galaxy, but in my mind CW
operation is the next best thing.

Obi-wannabe, a "lightsaber" is a FICTIONAL thing out of the
imaginary world of George Lucas' creativity. It does NOT
exist. Neither do "Jedi Knights." Such is FICTION.

Don't tell me you are going to drag out the 1996 movie
"Independence Day" as a "documentary?!?" :-)

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All,

I am a somewhat younger person (43 yrs) and I still see a use for CW.


1) Since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can squeeze
it in between massive amounts of QRM on the 40 meter band and still
manage to get heard.

2) Again, since it has the narrowest bandwidth of any mode, you can
get more kilometers per watt out of the signal... basically you get
reach the furtherest across the world with it.

3) It is the only digital mode that does not require computer
machinery to interpret.

4) It the mode that requiring the simplest of equipment to implement.
Worst case, one could use crystal oscillator and a crystal receiver to
make a contact one state away. Try that with SSB or packet!

To me, CW is to communication as a lightsaber is to combat: both are
archaic, elegant, and extremely effective ways of getting your point
made. There might not be Jedi in this galaxy, but in my mind CW
operation is the next best thing.

The Eternal Squire



CW is not the narrowest bandwidth mode; currently, psk-31 is. With
something like a 32 Hz bandwidth, cw pales in comparison with its' 100 to
200 Hz bandwidth.

That said, it is easy to grab a key (or keyer) and have an intelligent
conversation (yes, the cw gang can and does rag-chew) with simple equipment.
It should be noted that PSK takes its' cue from CW in that it is a
variable-length encoded mode. Like CW, the most common characters are the
shortest (and CW is worthless? Folks learned and built upon the earlier
mode).

PSK-31 can send/receiver far faster than the best cw operator can
send/receive. However, there are some folks that argue that keyboards are
obsolete. I suspect they simply want no tests LOL.

CW can be a most effective way of communicating your message. One guy on a
local repeater was screaming "cw forever". Fortunately, the repeater owner
was in the group so ..... int f2? And .... 40 words per minute mcw was sent
over the repeater. The owner had no problem. I had no problem. Yes, I can
stir the pot a bit LOL

The guy pushing for cw only? My point was made ))


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA