an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:



cut

Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.


then don't read it was targeted for you anyway

Let's see. It was targeted for me...but I shouldn't read it. Right?

You have no right not to be offended

You have no right to offend.

You bitch if I lie but you bitch if I tell the truth, so what should I
do? I choose to do as I think best

You admit to lying at your convenience. You've conducted a malicious
campaign of pure fabrications at me. You've even lied when confronted
by archived material. Why should I believe you ever about anything?

In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?

you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used. I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone. How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard. In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.

You will not even allow me to say "thank God" without flaming me

Are you a polytheistic pagan as you stated in one of your more perverse
postings to another group or did you lie about that too?

I will now remind you of the word of the figure you call the Lord God,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the Gospel according
Matthew I believe.

risking being held over bearing (but claiming full licesen after your
efforts to lecture me about my religion) I will point that many
religous scholars hold this as a injuction against comdeming, since
(accrdoing to Christain faith) we are all sinners

You failure to follow the teachings of your faith, while seeking to ram
your morality down my throat is one of the reasons I refuse to trust
you, and decline your "Challenge"

You can't use my faith, something in which you do not believe, against
me. My religion also teaches about recognizing evil, not embracing it.
I don't believe that every view is valid, that there is no right or
wrong. In fact, you practice a number of things which my religion
considers abhorrent.

What do your gods teach?

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

....and you don't trust the ARRL and you don't trust the monitors you and
I would agree on and you don't trust yourself to do well.

cut

The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?


I don't beleive you, it is as simple as that.

....and you don't believe in any of the safeguards I've offered you.
My operation would be monitored. Yours would not.

I don't beleive you'd ever accept the results if they work in my favor

The scores would be published. The number of QSOs made by each station
would be a part of that record.

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

Thank gods? It wouldn't be for my approval, Mark. You'd have overcome
your victimhood persona. Even if the playing field was tilted in your
direction, you could have made a real statement.

I
know I can work CW if I wish...

So you say.

... wether I can work it as well as (or
1/10th 100x beter) you or not is not important to me

Apparently not.

Believe it or not I am not into the same sorts of Macho games you seem
to be into
having spent as much BW on this as I feel like right now cutting the
rest

I never figured you as one to be involved in macho games of any sort,
Mark. You could have competed and done your best. You've opted not to
participate. The choice was yours.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:



cut

Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.


then don't read it was targeted for you anyway

Let's see. It was targeted for me...but I shouldn't read it. Right?

wasn't targeted for was a reply to Dee the elitsit bitch in question
but nobody said you should or couldn't read it


You have no right not to be offended

You have no right to offend.

I certainly do have that right.

prehaps we begin to see some the real differences between us.

I believe in personal freedom and personal responiblit, you believe in
some version of the Nanny sociality


You bitch if I lie but you bitch if I tell the truth, so what should I
do? I choose to do as I think best

cuting the non responivie response

In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?

you are not making sense

but then you don't believe in honesty, nor that any one but you (and
those that agree with you) has the right to express their opinions
freely

if you were offended then of course be offended, that is your right,
and I will never try and take it away from you.

I will make suggestions to help you avoid being offended, but they are
strictly for your considerations.

another choice you could make is to kill file all my posts then they
would not offend you,

Just trying to be helpfull of course


you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used.cut

No you call me a freak, you try to dengrate my religion, and in general
show a lack of respect for me, always have.

But I think I said this to Hans, you lack the right to determine what
insults I will use at in turn. since she chose to me insulting, I
choose my reply. when you choose to be insulting to me I choose what to
reply with


cut I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone.cut

Neither have I, I have simply dared to disagree with you

cut How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard.cut

by your demands I respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect mine

cut In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.

Prehaps in your judemental opinion

but again If I am going over the Top as you say that is my right too

You will not even allow me to say "thank God" without flaming me
cuting more Davie bs

I will now remind you of the word of the figure you call the Lord God,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the Gospel according
Matthew I believe.

risking being held over bearing (but claiming full licesen after your
efforts to lecture me about my religion) I will point that many
religous scholars hold this as a injuction against comdeming, since
(accrdoing to Christain faith) we are all sinners

You failure to follow the teachings of your faith, while seeking to ram
your morality down my throat is one of the reasons I refuse to trust
you, and decline your "Challenge"

You can't use my faith, something in which you do not believe, against
me. My religion also teaches about recognizing evil, not embracing it.
I don't believe that every view is valid, that there is no right or
wrong. In fact, you practice a number of things which my religion
considers abhorrent.

What do your gods teach?

that heterosexuality and homosexuality are preverse, amoug other
things, that decide who you wil love solely by what is between there
legs is obsense

That it is proper to reuturn harm to sender 3 fold

none of this BTW is proper for the forum we are in but there you have
it

But we are in the USA and I have the right to believe as I choose. I
have the right to practice my faith as I see fit

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

...and you don't trust the ARRL and you don't trust the monitors you and
I would agree on cut

I don't trust the ARRL, I have said so a number of times, I don't trust
you to adibe by them

and you don't trust yourself to do well.

My abilty never comes to it, if I can't rust the condictions of the
tests wether I can pass it matters not


cut

The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?


I don't beleive you, it is as simple as that.

...and you don't believe in any of the safeguards I've offered you.
My operation would be monitored. Yours would not.

are you dumb I don't trust you abide the results how many times must I
repeat that before you accept the statement


I don't beleive you'd ever accept the results if they work in my favor

The scores would be published. The number of QSOs made by each station
would be a part of that record.

so?

you will evade or deny the results if it suits you


Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

cuting you continued abuse of my religous freedom

I
know I can work CW if I wish...

So you say.

indeed and I am the only one I need to convince, although I dare John
smith and others accept that as well

I am also convinced you will just claim cheating somehow

... wether I can work it as well as (or
1/10th 100x beter) you or not is not important to me

Apparently not.

Believe it or not I am not into the same sorts of Macho games you seem
to be into
having spent as much BW on this as I feel like right now cutting the
rest

more of dave bs cut
Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

cut
I can assure that the newsgroup will never hear the end of it when you
fail. It would never hear the end of it if *I* failed. This is a real,
one-on-one challenge of operating skills--man and machine vs. man and
his brain. The worst it will cost you is years of humiliation and
jeering. Now think of how it would be if I somehow lost to you.
Wouldn't that be sweet? I could stumble coming out of the blocks. I
could have miscalculated the odds and given you too much of an advantage
for me to ever overcome. cut

cut I'd even skip the part about you having to
kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home game at halftime.cut

you hypocrite, you pretend that such things disgust you and then you
make remarks like that

i missed it before

cutWhat
*if*, Mark?


cut

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
In article . net
Dave Heil wrote:

Perhaps he could kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home
football game if he falls short.

More perversion from Dave Vile. You fatasize about that happening, don't you?
Then pretend that homosexuality "offends" you. Ah, well, anything would be
better then watching a WVU game ratingswise, since they never play worth a crap.

thank you Sir for point that out to me I had missed it

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an Old friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:



cut


Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.


then don't read it was targeted for you anyway

Let's see. It was targeted for me...but I shouldn't read it. Right?


wasn't targeted for was a reply to Dee the elitsit bitch in question
but nobody said you should or couldn't read it


You have no right not to be offended

You have no right to offend.

I certainly do have that right.

If I'm sitting on a porch and you approach and utter a string of
vulgarities, you believe your are within your rights? Your rights end
where mine begin.

prehaps we begin to see some the real differences between us.

Oh, take my word for it, Mark, there of loads and loads of differences
between you and me.

I believe in personal freedom and personal responiblit, you believe in
some version of the Nanny sociality

I disagree. You believe in personal freedom with no strings and no
personal responsibility. You believe you can do what you want and say
what you want and write what you want with no consequences to yourself.

cutting the irrelevant comment due to cutting of response

cuting the non responivie response


In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?


you are not making sense

I understand that the term is alien to you. Since anything you write
here can be seen by anyone, and there is no warning as to message
content, do you have disrespect for everyone. In other words, if
someone who is not your "intended target" should read your post and take
offense, do you care?

but then you don't believe in honesty, nor that any one but you (and
those that agree with you) has the right to express their opinions
freely

I can't accept lectures in honesty from an admitted liar.

if you were offended then of course be offended, that is your right,
and I will never try and take it away from you.

I will make suggestions to help you avoid being offended, but they are
strictly for your considerations.

another choice you could make is to kill file all my posts then they
would not offend you,

If folks who knew nothing of the types of things you write were to open
and read one of your posts, how would they know in advance that they
should have killfiled you?

Just trying to be helpfull of course


you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used.cut


No you call me a freak, you try to dengrate my religion, and in general
show a lack of respect for me, always have.

Okay, Mark. In my book, you are no longer an S&M freak but a
pracitioner of the Sado-Masochistic arts. As to respect, I'll be happy
to respect you when you've demonstrated respect for others. I don't
have a lot of respect for cries of "lier, lier", "idoit", "sh-t" or
"f--k". I'm also not big on respecting those who claim a special class
of victimhood.

But I think I said this to Hans, you lack the right to determine what
insults I will use at in turn. since she chose to me insulting, I
choose my reply. when you choose to be insulting to me I choose what to
reply with

Dee was not being insulting and you lack the ability to know the
difference. At no time did she call you any names.

cut I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone.cut


Neither have I, I have simply dared to disagree with you

Mark, you constructed a series of malicious lies directed at me and
you've still not admitted it despite being confronted with evidence
which proves that you lied.

cut How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard.cut


by your demands I respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect mine

I don't care if you respect my beliefs or not. I expect you to observe
some decorum and to act like an adult who is in control of his faculties.

cut In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.


Prehaps in your judemental opinion

Others' posts show that your writings were seen to be excessive. Are we
all possessed of judgemental opinion or are we all liars?

but again If I am going over the Top as you say that is my right too

There you go with your rights, Mark. Others have rights as well.

"cuting more markie bs in response to his cuts"

cuting more Davie bs


I will now remind you of the word of the figure you call the Lord God,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the Gospel according
Matthew I believe.

risking being held over bearing (but claiming full licesen after your
efforts to lecture me about my religion) I will point that many
religous scholars hold this as a injuction against comdeming, since
(accrdoing to Christain faith) we are all sinners

You failure to follow the teachings of your faith, while seeking to ram
your morality down my throat is one of the reasons I refuse to trust
you, and decline your "Challenge"

You can't use my faith, something in which you do not believe, against
me. My religion also teaches about recognizing evil, not embracing it.
I don't believe that every view is valid, that there is no right or
wrong. In fact, you practice a number of things which my religion
considers abhorrent.

What do your gods teach?


that heterosexuality and homosexuality are preverse, amoug other
things, that decide who you wil love solely by what is between there
legs is obsense

That's quite a mouthful, Mark. Both heterosexuality and homosexuality
are perverse? Well then, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That last part is pretty strange. You believe that a woman is a woman
based on her genitals? Can that be right? And your gods teach you this?

That it is proper to reuturn harm to sender 3 fold

So, if you take offense to anything someone did or wrote you could, for
example, begin a malicious campaign of utter lies directed toward that
individual. Would that be right?

none of this BTW is proper for the forum we are in but there you have
it

It's pretty bad, but I suppose it could have been worse.

But we are in the USA and I have the right to believe as I choose. I
have the right to practice my faith as I see fit

That's right, Mark. We're in a land turned upside-down. You can
believe any damned thing you want and do almost anything you want and
you can claim that it is normal. You can become a victim and even
receive special treatment because of it.

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

...and you don't trust the ARRL and you don't trust the monitors you and
I would agree on cut


I don't trust the ARRL, I have said so a number of times, I don't trust
you to adibe by them

You're probably wise. There's probably a guy at League HQ whose sole
job is to fix contest score bets in favor of high speed morse ops.

and you don't trust yourself to do well.


My abilty never comes to it, if I can't rust the condictions of the
tests wether I can pass it matters not

You can't expect that anyone will believe that it is the conditions set
out that cause you to decide not to participate. Nobody is going to
believe that two or three independent monitors and the ARRL are going in
collusion to prevent you from winning a bet. Sure, your knowledge of
your own ability came into play.

cut


The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?


I don't beleive you, it is as simple as that.

...and you don't believe in any of the safeguards I've offered you.
My operation would be monitored. Yours would not.


are you dumb I don't trust you abide the results how many times must I
repeat that before you accept the statement

....and you believe that monitors agreed upon by you *and* the American
Radio Relay League's scoring would be fixed in my favor.

I don't beleive you'd ever accept the results if they work in my favor

The scores would be published. The number of QSOs made by each station
would be a part of that record.


so?

you will evade or deny the results if it suits you

How does one evade or deny published results? How would one evade or
deny based upon the word of those monitoring my station?

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

cuting you continued abuse of my religous freedom

cutting the rest of your weak diatribe. Two can play that game.

Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


cut

I can assure that the newsgroup will never hear the end of it when you
fail. It would never hear the end of it if *I* failed. This is a real,
one-on-one challenge of operating skills--man and machine vs. man and
his brain. The worst it will cost you is years of humiliation and
jeering. Now think of how it would be if I somehow lost to you.
Wouldn't that be sweet? I could stumble coming out of the blocks. I
could have miscalculated the odds and given you too much of an advantage
for me to ever overcome. cut


cut I'd even skip the part about you having to
kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home game at halftime.cut


you hypocrite, you pretend that such things disgust you and then you
make remarks like that

i missed it before

Don't tell me that when someone tells you to kiss his ass that you
believe it to be an invitation to anal sex? It surely doesn't mean that
in these parts.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:
cut
cut I'd even skip the part about you having to
kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home game at halftime.cut


you hypocrite, you pretend that such things disgust you and then you
make remarks like that

i missed it before

Don't tell me that when someone tells you to kiss his ass that you
believe it to be an invitation to anal sex? It surely doesn't mean that
in these parts.

Annalngus , the kissing or licking of the ass and related part, is a
sexual act not always a homosexual one (hertos can play too)

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

cut


I certainly do have that right.

If I'm sitting on a porch and you approach and utter a string of
vulgarities, you believe your are within your rights? Your rights end
where mine begin.

walking down the public street yes of course
cut

I believe in personal freedom and personal responiblit, you believe in
some version of the Nanny sociality

I disagree. You believe in personal freedom with no strings and no
personal responsibility.

again you lie, but i do beleive I have no respoiblity for your feeling
being hurt

You believe you can do what you want and say
what you want and write what you want with no consequences to yourself.

well exceptping speech like screaming "fire" in crowd, or calling for
all of X group to be put to death or denied there right, you got that
pretty close

cut
In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?


you are not making sense

I understand that the term is alien to you. CUT

It is not

CUT Since anything you write
here can be seen by anyone, and there is no warning as to message
content, do you have disrespect for everyone.CUT

I don't have to, but I may choose to. I owe you no respect, you show me
nothing but disrespect. Do you have to? no but you choose to. I have
that same right


CUT In other words, if
someone who is not your "intended target" should read your post and take
offense, do you care?

not exactly, I don't care if anyone at all including the target
audience reads and takes offense, just as you don't at offending me and
others


but then you don't believe in honesty, nor that any one but you (and
those that agree with you) has the right to express their opinions
freely

I can't accept lectures in honesty from an admitted liar.

then you refuse to accept the testimony of an expert

after all only when one is freed from the tranny of lies many of tell
everyday, can one realy look at what truth is

if you were offended then of course be offended, that is your right,
and I will never try and take it away from you.

I will make suggestions to help you avoid being offended, but they are
strictly for your considerations.

another choice you could make is to kill file all my posts then they
would not offend you,

If folks who knew nothing of the types of things you write were to open
and read one of your posts, how would they know in advance that they
should have killfiled you?

not my problem I was offering you adivice on avoiding offfense for
yourself

Just trying to be helpfull of course


you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used.cut


No you call me a freak, you try to dengrate my religion, and in general
show a lack of respect for me, always have.

Okay, Mark. In my book, you are no longer an S&M freak but a
pracitioner of the Sado-Masochistic arts.

beter would be to avoid mention it at all at least till you can say
what it has to with the ARS
As to respect, I'll be happy
to respect you when you've demonstrated respect for others.

But I do demostrate it, for those that earn it.


I don't
have a lot of respect for cries of "lier, lier", "idoit", "sh-t" or
"f--k".

again showing your lack of belief in the first amendment

I'm also not big on respecting those who claim a special class
of victimhood.

But I think I said this to Hans, you lack the right to determine what
insults I will use at in turn. since she chose to me insulting, I
choose my reply. when you choose to be insulting to me I choose what to
reply with

Dee was not being insulting and you lack the ability to know the
difference.

I have found most of her content insulting, I finaly decided she had
exceedd my tolerance for her crap


At no time did she call you any names.

Name calling is not the sole paramiter of insulting behavoir




cut I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone.cut


Neither have I, I have simply dared to disagree with you

Mark, you constructed a series of malicious lies directed at me and
you've still not admitted it despite being confronted with evidence
which proves that you lied.

No I have not

I have reported on my result from a google search that you insisted I
should do. that you disgree with my reading of your posting is not
evidence I am lying when I describe them as I see em


cut How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard.cut


by your demands I respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect mine

I don't care if you respect my beliefs or not.

you are lying, you may not realize it but you areI get to showing it in
a sec

I expect you to observe
some decorum and to act like an adult who is in control of his faculties.

You expect I conform to YOUR standards to your beliefs. IOW you demnd I
confrom to YOUR beliefs of what is proper when and where.

Given the content of the NG in general I see nothing imporper in
calling dee a bitch, or even a good deal worse langauge

I am in full control of my faculties, I just use them according to my
belief system not yours

In short your effort to compell me to respect your starnards is clearly
in my view demandning I respect your beliefs


cut In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.


Prehaps in your judemental opinion

Others' posts show that your writings were seen to be excessive. Are we
all possessed of judgemental opinion or are we all liars?

Id have to go though case by case to answer judemental in some cases,
not reading them carefully in other, perhaps lying in others


but again If I am going over the Top as you say that is my right too

There you go with your rights, Mark. Others have rights as well.

I am in no way infringing on their rights. The only person with cause
and standing to complain is Stevie, and he seems to have declined that
option.

cut

What do your gods teach?


that heterosexuality and homosexuality are preverse, amoug other
things, that decide who you wil love solely by what is between there
legs is obsense

That's quite a mouthful, Mark. Both heterosexuality and homosexuality
are perverse? CUT
when praticed to the exclusion of the other yes

CUTWell then, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I answered you show some respect


That last part is pretty strange. You believe that a woman is a woman
based on her genitals? CUT

yes, of course

CUT Can that be right?CUT

obviously

CUT And your gods teach you this?

yes

That it is proper to reuturn harm to sender 3 fold

So, if you take offense to anything someone did or wrote you could, for
example, begin a malicious campaign of utter lies directed toward that
individual. CUT

mere offense no but harm me yes certainly that would be a valid
possible response, as might be physical violence, or a number of other
actions, the lmits based on proprotionality, not means.


CUT Would that be right?

yes of course


none of this BTW is proper for the forum we are in but there you have
it

It's pretty bad, but I suppose it could have been worse.

worse?

as I have said I tell you the truth you respond with flames I lie and
you flame, you certainly will teach no moral lessions concering say the
value or advantage in truth


But we are in the USA and I have the right to believe as I choose. I
have the right to practice my faith as I see fit

That's right, Mark.

you need to let this sink in Dave

We're in a land turned upside-down.

we are in a land where men died to create the freedom for all to
believe what they choose. a freedom you despise and scron

You can
believe any damned thing you want and do almost anything you want and
you can claim that it is normal.

indeed and you need to start to deal with that fact

You can become a victim and even
receive special treatment because of it.

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

cut the repition

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

cuting you continued abuse of my religous freedom

cutting the rest of your weak diatribe. Two can play that game.

Indeed I can't stop you, nor can you stop me.

so grow up and stop trying

Dave K8MN

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I'm responding to you, aren't I?

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage
10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club
set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW
and
phone. At least half of them were CW.\


boy you are in deep mis elitist Bitch


Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.

but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

I've stated here (this makes the third time) that I'll publicly


And I don't believe you

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.

acknowledge your CW operating prowess in this forum. The scores would
be submitted to the ARRL for publication on the League website.


but that mans Id have to NOT support my club for FD overwise my scorre
will be lumped in with theirs

Didn't you just tell me that you'd planned to operate from home? How were
you going to support your club's effort from your home? You can't add
your home score to your club's efforts from a different location.

The League's results are broken down into QSOs and final score.
We'll go strictly by the number of QSOs made during the FD period.
I'll take your worthless word that you've had no assistance, other than


and I don't believe youd take my word

Your word has been proven worthless, but I've said I'd accept it.

from your computer. You may have one, two or three individuals,
mutually agreed on by us, to watch me like a hawk during the entire
operation, if you like.


right like I know anyone in WV

I live near eastern Ohio and Southwestern Pennsylvania. You have months
and months to find some people.

but neither of you nor can both of you bait me into accepting
challange that wouls be adknowledged

You would receive your due if you were to actually come up with 1 QSO to
my 15 QSOs. You know there is a catch, of course, and that is making


The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?

you leary. The catch is that you know and I know that you can't succeed
and that I'd pound you like a drum. I don't blame you for being a
little nervous. After all, your self-respect is on the line.


Dave's history of evasion is clear on that score

That's a sheer fabrication, and you know it. You're simply ducking the


no it is simple truth, You spent weeks refusing to answer simple
questions.

Nothing whatever necessitates my answering any of your questions on any
topic. Deal with it.

You will likely find some way of evading admitting to my
sucess assuming I pull it off and we (the NG) will never hear the end
of it if i should fail.

I can assure that the newsgroup will never hear the end of it when you
fail. It would never hear the end of it if *I* failed. This is a real,
one-on-one challenge of operating skills--man and machine vs. man and his
brain. The worst it will cost you is years of humiliation and jeering.
Now think of how it would be if I somehow lost to you. Wouldn't that be
sweet? I could stumble coming out of the blocks. I could have
miscalculated the odds and given you too much of an advantage for me to
ever overcome. I'd even skip the part about you having to kiss my ass on
the fifty-yard line at a WVU home game at halftime. What *if*, Mark?

If I were to accept a "chalenge" in which no desirable outcome is
possiblethen I would the fool you claim I am

Then you've been painted into a corner, Mark. You won't accept the
challenge, even with a 15:1 advantage. You're sure to get walloped if you
do take the challenge. Maybe you aren't one who can operate CW. Maybe all
that stuff about code-reading software being as good as a human op was
simply guff.

Dave K8MN

Don't forget that unless he upgrades between now and FD, that he will have
to have arrange with another amateur (General, Advanced, or Extra) to be at
his site and acting as control op so they can operate in the HF bands.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Don't forget that unless he upgrades between now and FD, that he will have
to have arrange with another amateur (General, Advanced, or Extra) to be at
his site and acting as control op so they can operate in the HF bands.


Unless the R&O is undeuely delayed that isn't likely an issue
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE