"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
wrote:

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And just were do you see anywhere that Morse code is being pushed forward
as the only means of communication in this disaster? Has anyone even
mentioned Morse code being used in emergency communication in this
disaster? All the emergency ham frequencies I have seen listed, where the
emergency comms are taking place, are in the voice portion of the bands.
You really do need to try to keep up lennie, maybe you meds need changing.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

And just what in the sam hill does this have to do with the hams that are
now providing much needed emergency comms in this disaster?
You are a real first class dip-wit lennieboy.

I didn't even mention this....but I passed several Health and Welfare
messages via CW on the regular nets.

Dan/W4NTI

wrote:
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm


I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.


"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

You truly are an idiot lennyboy.

Bill Sohl wrote:



I must ask... What's the difference? Does
it mean that ham radio isn't providing helpful and needed
additional communications?

Lennieboy would like to belive that with all his little heart, but the
fact remains...ham radio has and is at this very moment providing much
need emergency comms in the disaster area. Ham radio continues to be a
very helpful tool in disaster emergency comms, much to the chagrin of
the likes of lennieboy and frankieboy.

wrote:

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove it.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've NEVER been "anti-ham." What I HAVE been
against is the morse code test for any amateur radio license.
What I HAVE been against is the braggadoccio of morse code mode
over and above any other mode in effectiveness. What I HAVE
been against is that morse code mode is the "only" mode possible
in emergency communications.

And just were do you see anywhere that Morse code is being pushed
forward as the only means of communication in this disaster? Has anyone
even mentioned Morse code being used in emergency communication in this
disaster? All the emergency ham frequencies I have seen listed, where
the emergency comms are taking place, are in the voice portion of the
bands. You really do need to try to keep up lennie, maybe you meds need
changing.

And what I HAVE been against is all you PCTA emotional retards
who think/state/live the notion that U.S. amateur radio is ONLY
about morse code mode, morsemanship, and neglecting the majority
of licensed radio amateurs who do NOT agree with you waving the
ham flag as ONLY yours and ONLY that of the morsemen.

And just what in the sam hill does this have to do with the hams that
are now providing much needed emergency comms in this disaster?
You are a real first class dip-wit lennieboy.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:15:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in
et:


"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI



Ask frankieboy to turn on his SeeBee and tell us all about the disaster
traffic they are handling.

This just came over 3965...

On 3965, KB7BSA is with the Baptist feeding unit in Biloxi MS.

She just passed this along after sending out 40 Health and Welfare
messages.....

" Ham radio is all there is for communications. Police, Fire, Rescue,
Emergency Services, all of them using Ham Radio, there is NOTHING ELSE
that works"


I've always said that ham radio has it's usefulness in certain
situations. This is most definitely one of those situations. But I
have no doubt whatsoever that every -other- mode of communication that
works, radio or not, is being used to it's fullest limitations.

And for some glory seeking hams to declare themselves and their
service to be the exclusive 'heros de jour' is absolutely repulsive,
especially while the situation continues to erode and people continue
to die.

Let me make this -REAL- clear to you, Dan: It's not about ham radio or
any other radio service. It's about the people that are suffering in
this disaster. So instead of thumping your chest while standing on a
pile of rubble and dead bodies, how about you hero-wannabe hammies
show a little dignity and set aside your self-aggrandizing delusions
for a little while?








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wrote:
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm


I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.


"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Strange, I still see rather "commercial" and "military"
infrastructure radios very much at work on TV news, along
with lots and lots of "infrastructure" personnel.

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

The relief efforts in Louisiana and Mississippi are being
handled by MANY, MANY different volunteers and MOST of them
do not appear to be or are identified as amateur radio
operators.


7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.


Those networks are operating OUTSIDE the flood regions,
have NOT been inundated with flood waters.

And your point is? So you think they have to be inudated with flood
waters before they can be of service? You are a real piece of work
lennieboy.


I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages to
family and friends outside of the disaster area.


Then that young lady is NOT under water and has gotten to a
location that is NOT under water or destroyed (somehow, you
have not specified that transport) and has the help of
an amateur radio station set up for this purpose on DRY land
(some place unspecified).

And? So you think it is only valid emergency comms if she goes to
someplace under water. Why wouldn't an amateur station be set up on DRY
land. Would you set one up under water?...yeah, you probably would try.


Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.


That is excellent service that is provided (partly) by amateur
radio. "Daddy" somehow has gotten the news and that probably
is completed over a telephone circuit...a telephone circuit of
the evil "commercial infrastructure" that was NOT destroyed.

So you seem to have a problem with the "partly" part. Really grinds your
butt that the hams are carrying on the fine tradition they have been
known for for decades, that of helping to provide emergency
communications in times of disaster, which they are very good at.

Poor lennieboy, can only stand on the sidelines and look on and trash
that which he can't be a part of. Maybe frankieboy will come put his arm
around you for comfort and you two can commiserate together.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:26:31 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing

snip

Is anyone else getting tired of hearing the phrase, (or any variation
thereof) "step up to the plate" besides me?

wrote:

Flood conditions high enough to inundate "commercial
infrastructure" equipment will ALSO inundate amateur
equipment and render it useless as well.

FOX30
WAWS
Ham Radio operators provide early communication after storm
Last Update: 8/30/2005 9:45:19 AM

The technology has been around for close to 100 years, and during
natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina, it could be one of the most
reliable forms of communication.

“Ham radio” operators may soon be helping in the recovery effort during
the cleanup phase of Katrina relief. Even after a storm like Katrina,
operators in the gulf states can be back on the air delivering important
information immediately.

Allen Jones is an amateur emergency radio operator in St., Johns County.
While wind and rain can cut other forms of communication, Jones says ham
radio operators can be back on the air in no time. Most have back-up
generators and just need to put antennas back up that have been taken out.

Jones and others like him worked out of shelters during last year’s
hurricanes, making sure messages got out. For Katrina, Jones has already
tried to help a friend who couldn’t get in touch with a family member in
hurricane ravaged Gulfport, Mississippi. Getting that important update
may mean reaching out to several other operators along the way.

“They'll spread the word,” says Jones. “Somebody will know that person,
and they'll find that person.”

Allen says there are 35 ham operators on his emergency communication
team in St. Johns County. He'll soon learn if any of them will be needed
to operate radio equipment where hurricane Katrina struck.

Ham operators hope to get a digital link set up at hospitals and the EOC
in St. Johns County. That way, prescriptions and other important
information can be printed and available to shelters.


WLOX managers suggest the best way to find news of friends and family is
through HAM radio operators. There is a HAM radio operator stationed at
WLOX; call sign is WX5AAA.

From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri 2 Sep 2005 02:08


"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
wrote in message
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 1, 5:26 pm

I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

"Commercial infrastructure" is defined as anything non-amateur?

Agreed.

Let me revise that.

If non-amateur includes CD, FRS and GMRS then I agree. If by
amateur Len is only referencing the Amateur Service (Part 97)
then I disagree and would suggest the following.

Commercial Infrastructure is anything other than CB, FRS,
GMRS or Amateur Service.

Bill, not to nit-pick, but on the same subject you would have to
add in the NATIONAL GUARD. Definitely not "commercial." One
could also add the National Military Forces should they be
activated; Louisiana NG is already activated within that state.
National Guard has rugged multi-environment equipment and
vehicles.

We can also consider local PUBLIC SAFETY agencies as "non-
commercial" (police, fire, ambulances), could we not? In truth,
New Orleans has only 1,500 police officers, not nearly enough
to properly police things in such a devastated area, but they
do have local radio communications equipment.

---

We ought to consider what BASIC EMERGENCY NEEDS are. Plain survival
always comes first with humans (sex is secondary to survival). For
that the BASIC NEEDS a Food, shelter (dry), toilet, hygiene,
clothing/footwear (as appropriate for climate), medical (as needed,
not all need it immediately), protection/police. That order is
approximate, most-to-least.

In the immediate disaster areas of Louisiana and Mississippi, those
basic needs are being provided (not necessarily all or in order) by
the LOCALS who are within human-voice talking distance of victims.
Most of those BASIC NEEDS come from supplies and/or services and
must be physically delivered. In many observed situations, supplies
and services CANNOT be phsically delivered due to flooding making
roads impassible, existing aerial wires prohibiting helicopter
descents, debris of all kinds inhibiting water or vehicles.

Looking at the overall big picture of SURVIVAL for tens of thousands
of victims, "communications" some distance away is NOT on the BASIC
SURVIVAL need list. Victims want to communicate with immediate
rescuers, helpers, aid people FIRST. They must have BASIC NEEDS.
Once those basic needs are at least partly satisfied, they can
turn their attention to distant communications, to contact family,
friends...but that is NOT in the basic needs listing.

Those of us sitting in safe, dry homes, typing away at keyboards,
have the basic needs at hand, don't need help. Most of us don't
think about them because we aren't in a disaster zone, suffering
the aftermath of widespread destruction, flooding. It is very
easy to talk about radio networks and health and welfare messages
AS IF they were some kind of "basic needs" but those are NOT.
Yes, news to/from family and friends IS important, but, when faced
with a loss of everything or nearly everything in the BASIC NEEDS
FOR SURVIVAL listing, it is way down on the importance priority.

For tens of thousands of humans in Louisiana and Mississippi, the
basic needs for survival are NEEDED NOW. Most don't have a single
one of the basic needs now and none of those can be supplied by a
radio. Local aid people have to handle that, up-close and
personal, ON THE SCENE. Now radio communications CAN be of
service to those local aid people, coordinating their activities
and delivery/distribution of needed supplies/shelter. Such radio
communications is presently being handled by radio facilities that
survived the hurricane and following flooding. Maybe THAT is
where amateur radios (that also survived the hurricane and flooding)
can help. "Health and welfare messages" just wouldn't be on a
disaster victim's immediate needs right now.

We need to put things in perspective...and rationally try to
imagine the plight of victims who have lost almost ALL of their
basic survival necessities.

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...
I hope you folks can give a listen to HF during this disaster. It is
amazing how Ham Radio has stepped up to the plate and is providing
Communications where the Commercial infrastructure is destroyed.

7290, 7285, 14.265, 3935, 3873, 3965 and many others I am sure.

I'm listening to a young lady right now with the Baptist feeding unit in
Biloxi Mississippi on the Alabama net frequency of 3965 passing messages
to family and friends outside of the disaster area.

Such as "Daddy were alright" Don't worry have not been able to call
before.

And this is for you Len Anderson......take your anti-ham crap and shove
it.

Back to work, thanks to you all for the help you are providing.

Dan/W4NTI


And I'd like to add kudos for all those outside the disaster area who are
processing the traffic. I've heard people with voices quavery with extreme
old age and voices young enough that I doubt they are old enough to shave
and every age in between. All are operating in an efficient and
professional manner.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE