John Smith wrote:
AOF:

Did I understand Dee's question correctly? Isn't what she asked, and I
paraphrase here, "Where are your rose colored glasses?"

John


IMO No what she said was "trust the ARRL they know what they are doing"
that takes more than Rose colored glasses, more like CGI imaging glasses

From the FCC Rule Book: Complete Guide to the FCC Regulations Governing
Amateur Radio; edited by Norm Bliss,WA1CCQ, Published by the ARRL

Chapter 4, Page 4-2 Direct and Indirect Payment


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

"Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service
to the public as a voluntary, noncommercial communication service,
particularly with respect providing emergency communication" (emphasis
added) [97.1(a)]

If you club is providing communications support to the town of Needham
for a parade, you cannot accept their offer of payment for your work.
You are volunteers, providing a community service on a non-commercial
basis, period
You should never accept anything for your Amateur Radio operating.
The FCC prohibits operation of an amateur station "for hire, or
material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised"
[97.113(a)(2)] This includes direct payment (money, goods, food, and so
on) and indirect payment (publicity, advertising, and so on)."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It rather funny that K1MAN get's fined $21,000 for Pecuniary Interest
and the ARRL is allowed to do this. What go for one person should apply
to all. The ARRL should be fined by the FCC for doing this!


Todd N9OGL

"N9OGL" wrote


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:


I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for operating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.

The distinction isn't all that subtle --- consider this: If the government gave
you a plane ticket, lodged you in a hotel, and provided your meals so you could
operate a station in the disaster area, would you consider this "compensation"?
In this case, rather than provide those items "in kind", the government has made
a grant which covers exactly those same expenses after the fact.

I personally wish the money was spent on grants to actual victims, but I can't
find anyone being paid "any money or other consideration for operating".

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:


I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for ope=
rating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.

but you cut the perant paragraph Hans being re qutoed below

97.113(a)(2)] This includes direct payment (money, goods, food, and so
on) and indirect payment (publicity, advertising, and so on)."



The distinction isn't all that subtle --- consider this: If the governme=
nt gave
you a plane ticket, lodged you in a hotel, and provided your meals so you=
could
operate a station in the disaster area, would you consider this "compensa=
tion"?
In this case, rather than provide those items "in kind", the government h=
as made
a grant which covers exactly those same expenses after the fact.

based on what has been published by the ARRL for years yes I would say
it was compensation. I have never thought that type of rule was proper,
but I have and do feel that those are the rules

I personally wish the money was spent on grants to actual victims, but I =
can't
find anyone being paid "any money or other consideration for operating".
=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote

"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for ope=
rating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.

My radios are expenses.

wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote

"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for o=
perating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.

My radios are expenses.

as are My drill bits For punching hole in the walls

A Better set of rules would allow some reasonable comp, and I would
support it but that isn't the rules NOW

an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote

"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operati=
ng
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the pri=
me
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for=
operating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.

My radios are expenses.

as are My drill bits For punching hole in the walls

A Better set of rules would allow some reasonable comp, and I would
support it but that isn't the rules NOW

People have been paying to have their 2M and 440 transmissions repeated
for years, and all the OFs here are good with it. None are asking for
a rules change.

wrote:
KØHB wrote:

"N9OGL" wrote


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for operating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.


My radios are expenses.


You might be able to make a case for that if you purchased them for
emergency use, and only used them for Emergency use.

Expect a challenge, tho'

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:

"N9OGL" wrote


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for o=
perating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.


My radios are expenses.


You might be able to make a case for that if you purchased them for
emergency use, and only used them for Emergency use.

Expect a challenge, tho'
=20
- Mike KB3EIA -

As if I'd use them any other time.

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
: From the FCC Rule Book: Complete Guide to the FCC Regulations Governing
: Amateur Radio; edited by Norm Bliss,WA1CCQ, Published by the ARRL
:
: Chapter 4, Page 4-2 Direct and Indirect Payment
:
:
: "You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
: your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
: directives of our serice:
:
: "Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service
: to the public as a voluntary, noncommercial communication service,
: particularly with respect providing emergency communication" (emphasis
: added) [97.1(a)]
:
: If you club is providing communications support to the town of Needham
: for a parade, you cannot accept their offer of payment for your work.
: You are volunteers, providing a community service on a non-commercial
: basis, period
: You should never accept anything for your Amateur Radio operating.
: The FCC prohibits operation of an amateur station "for hire, or
: material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised"
: [97.113(a)(2)] This includes direct payment (money, goods, food, and so
: on) and indirect payment (publicity, advertising, and so on)."
:
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------


As a matter of practical curiousness from an outside view, have you ability
to afford to go there with your station for several weeks and pay your own
life expenses?

If so, why you have not done so?

If not, would you volunteer to go if your government provided travel and
food and shelter expenses?


BGO
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