Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace wrote:
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Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
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I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect freedom
from government tyranny.
My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.
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"You have the right to remain silent" Miranda

wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
What you do not seem to realize is that the folks that actually learned
something (before the multiple guess answers came out), just might have a
few skills.

What you do not seem to realize is that young folks actually learned
stuff, too. You just fail to appreciate their knowledge, and see them
as thoughtless.

These are usually folks that have a genuine interest in how things work, not
how to turn a knob or push a button or keys.

Indeed. Often those people are young in years.

This isn't to say that folks
that simply wish to talk are not welcome; they certainly are.

Then you may begin acting as if they were.

Although I do not possess a college degree, I am a certified electronics
technician. I have repaired two-way radios (business and trunking radios).
I have done a lot of electrical control and power wiring. I have not worked
in high voltage, but have done a fair amount of 277/480 3 phase work. I've
climbed atop silos and repaired bag houses. Welded, soldered, cut, run
milling machines, surface grinders, lathes, and more. If a saws-all can't
do the job readily, the oxy-acetylene tourch will handle it well for me
(hmmmm ... wonder how that would solder pl-259s? LOL). Done EMC compliance
studies along with UL compliance. Come to think of it, ozone compliance.
Can you spell exponential decay? Come to think of it, I've programmed
slc-500s, Texas Instruments PLCs, Modicon PLCs, and more (including data
highways and ethernet). Even written a program to generate ladders from
simply inputting I/O assignments and letting the program know what I want to
have happen. Under 15 minutes to properly program 3 cells. Another 5
minutes to debug because someone wired a switch backwards (normally closed
rather than normally open).

The military would describe you as a person who could chew gum and walk
at the same time.

And a whole lot more, I bet.

Mutual admiration society?

The trouble is that skills aren't as valued as they once were.

The -right- skills are always valued.

Particularly if they aren't "state of the art", whatever that means.

It can mean "useful in the modern world."

Whether it be
Morse Code or how to put up an antenna in a less-than-perfect location,
or even make your own bread, many people look down upon "basic" or
"old" skills as a sort of poor relation to "high tech". As in "not
worth their time or effort".

McDonalds wouldn't be serving up very many "basic" cheeseburgers if
they served them up with sarcasm and redicule. Which is how your
cronies serve up "basic" information.

The nice thing about amateur radio is that it encompasses a whole spectrum
of individuals, unlike most trade magazines.

Amateur radio is not a trade.

To me, advertising in an
amateur publication such as QST would make a lot of sense, especially if you
are trying to locate a number of different skills (rather than a number of
ads in different magazines or newspapers).

Agree 100%. There's a long history of such ads, too.

Especially since I'll not renew my membership in the ARRL nor receive
QST due to the mishandling of Carl's run for ARRL office. I never did
think that the ARRL had my interests at heart, and that was the final
straw.

As to Morse, it can be fun. If we had difficulty with it back when (for me,
1962), we learned to overcome that difficulty (not a bad thing to learn, in
my humble opinion). Come to think of it, as much grief as it gave me (when
memorizing dots and dashes), once I learned it by sound, I enjoyed it and by
1967 had perfect copy at 40 words per minute in the U.S. Navy.

I'm always amazed at how people who earned three hots, a cot, and a
paycheck for learning Morse Code demand that the rest of us donate our
time and money to do the same. I think it's some kind of entitlement
mentality. The government is supposed to keep a steady stream of Morse
Coders in front of you so you'll have someone to communicate with.

More than
40? I don't know; that was the fastest test they had back then. I would
have had difficulty much beyond that as we were banging away with manual
typewriters then. I might have (possibly) made 50 at most.

Oh, my! Think how fast you could have gone with an IBM Selectric and
fanfold paper.

Disclaimer -
that would be perfect typewritten copy filling close to a whole page of
paper. A few errors would have allowed me considerably faster copy. Then.
(LOL)

It took a bit of doing for me to learn Morse Code.

Ditto.

First I acquired a
straight key and built an oscillator so I could practice sending. But
they also tested receiving back in 1967, so I had to build a receiver,
find the 80 meter ham band, find some hams sending fairly slowly, and
then figure out what they were sending. I guess being 12-13 years old
and not having anybody tell me I was too young helped...

Do you mean that you didn't bootleg like W3RV?

---

You may enjoy this article, too: I sure did.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...ml?sid=1394604

73 de Jim, N2EY

I enjoy all sorts of things. Morse Code is not among them. Sarcasm
and redicule served with "basic" information is not my favorite thing,
either.

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Hans posting is still off-topic.

Sure it is OT. So what?

It's a problem when Len posts off-topic, but not a problem when you
post off-topic?

Hmmmm?

Nontheless, I know that at least two telephone crafts saw the OT post, fo=
llowed
up, and are now cashing nice OT paychecks.

Are those radio-telephone crafts? Any link to amateur radio? Anything
to do with radio at all?

Sunuvagun!
=20
Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

Sunuva "Something"

Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace wrote:
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Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
-------------------------------------------
I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect freedom
from government tyranny.

and when you going to start walking that talk

My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.

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wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Hans posting is still off-topic.

Sure it is OT. So what?

It's a problem when Len posts off-topic, but not a problem when you
post off-topic?

Must be one of the "rights" of the Mighty Macho Morsemen

does that cover you Brian

Hmmmm?

Nontheless, I know that at least two telephone crafts saw the OT post, =
followed
up, and are now cashing nice OT paychecks.

Are those radio-telephone crafts? Any link to amateur radio? Anything
to do with radio at all?

I guess the link is that it was written about by one of the MMM

Sunuvagun!
=20
Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
=20
Sunuva "Something"

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Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace wrote:
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Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
-------------------------------------------
I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect
freedom
from government tyranny.

and when you going to start walking that talk

My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just
because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that
cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.

---------------------------------------------


Freedom of speech means I have the right to say if I think someone's posts
are ignorant, stupid, or just plain wrong.
Ace - WH2T
Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And,
like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. -George
Washington

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wrote

It's a problem when Len posts off-topic

Maybe a problem for you, but it's not a problem for me! I don't call Len down
for being OT.

Are those radio-telephone crafts?

Yes, as a matter of fact a large part of the recovery work involves restoring
microwave and cellular radio infrastructure. If you have skills in those areas,
you might investigate the opportunity.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace wrote:
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Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
-------------------------------------------
I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect
freedom
from government tyranny.

and when you going to start walking that talk

My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just
because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that
cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.

---------------------------------------------


Freedom of speech means I have the right to say if I think someone's posts
are ignorant, stupid, or just plain wrong.

your point? if any

Ace - WH2T
Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And,
like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. -George
Washington

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Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dr.Ace wrote:
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Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
-------------------------------------------
I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect
freedom
from government tyranny.

and when you going to start walking that talk

My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just
because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that
cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.

---------------------------------------------


Freedom of speech means I have the right to say if I think someone's posts
are ignorant, stupid, or just plain wrong.

your point? if any

you clearly don't respect the rights of others to disagree with you

so you talk the talk, but when you going to walk the walk?
Ace - WH2T
Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force. And,
like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. -George
Washington

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nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace - WH2T wrote:

Freedom of speech means I have the right to say if I think someone's posts
are ignorant, stupid, or just plain wrong.

your point? if any

you clearly don't respect the rights of others to disagree with you

so you talk the talk, but when you going to walk the walk?

So...

Work keeps me out of RRAP for a couple of weeks and I "return" only
to find those who accuse me of certain things being waist-deep in it
themselves.

Why am I not surprised.

BTW, Mark, He DID clearly "respect" your right to "disagree" with
you...He just called your posts for what they (usually)
are..."ignroant, stupid, or just plain wrong" and YOU were the one with
the "disagreement" issues...Again.

His "point" was that he clearly shares the same opinion as other
educated and informed men about YOUR "points".

As for "talking the talk but not walking the walk", when are we
gonna see you in "uniform", "Colonel"...?!?!

At least the countless spelling lessons I gave you appear to have
paid off.

Steve, K4YZ