Nobody believes your "I'm going to the FBI" lie, Marky. Give it up,
stupid.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:14:09 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:


Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are
MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes
you
think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to
make
any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters?
APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL
RESPONSE
TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS
GOING TO
TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE!




And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make
up the emergency network, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -



And we have seen first hand several times lately just how great the cell
phone network performs with all the cell towers out of service.

It just doesn't, does it? The nature of cell phone service is that it
depends on the user having a low power Walkie-talkie, which relies on a
nearby hub where the signal is essentially multiplexed into a larger
system. Lots of "infrastructure" there.

So when a disaster occurs, two things happen. Number one is that the
power in the worst affected area goes out, and the cell phone antenna
sites go onto backup power. At the same time, everyone and their brother
starts calling relatives and friends to let them know that "they are
alright". The combination of the two saturates the local system until
the backup power fails.

The only place that the cell phone system works in emergencies is in a
few of the amateur radio groups, and it only "works" for those who want
to discredit Amateur radio.

gee it works for MSNBC

and it works for hams that don't want to discridt the ARS

And the concept of an FRS network is laughable. It's extreme short
range means that in order to have any chance of working, complete
saturation is needed.

Tin cans and string anyone?


- Mike KB3EIA -

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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:


Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are
MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes
you
think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to
make
any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters?
APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL
RESPONSE
TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS
GOING TO
TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE!




And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make
up the emergency network, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -



And we have seen first hand several times lately just how great the cell
phone network performs with all the cell towers out of service.

It just doesn't, does it? The nature of cell phone service is that it
depends on the user having a low power Walkie-talkie, which relies on a
nearby hub where the signal is essentially multiplexed into a larger
system. Lots of "infrastructure" there.

So when a disaster occurs, two things happen. Number one is that the
power in the worst affected area goes out, and the cell phone antenna
sites go onto backup power. At the same time, everyone and their brother
starts calling relatives and friends to let them know that "they are
alright". The combination of the two saturates the local system until
the backup power fails.

The only place that the cell phone system works in emergencies is in a
few of the amateur radio groups, and it only "works" for those who want
to discredit Amateur radio.

And the concept of an FRS network is laughable. It's extreme short
range means that in order to have any chance of working, complete
saturation is needed.

Tin cans and string anyone?


- Mike KB3EIA -

Comdr Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:


Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency
network


How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell
coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get
to and make a few calls.

Yeah, I heard that the network was down too! I guess it depends on if
you hate hams or not. If you hate hams, one message getting out means
that Cell phones work great in an emergency.

- Mike KB3EIA -

wrote:
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.


So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?

Probably why there are forms to use, and that hams who are trained in
communications use 'em. Relaying messages would seem to be a simple
thing. But if several hundred people do the relaying without any
training, I'd bet that the message will look a little different at the
end as compared to just one or two relays by trained people.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Every body is wrong except Mikey. Everyone is a liar except Mikey.

Hey Mikey if you dont keep your lights on at night. START.


Gosh Dan, I hope you didn't mean me? 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:31:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:42 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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cut

"It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends"

A slight addition would be "trained operator"

wrong agian

Dan/W4NTI

Every body is wrong except Mikey. Everyone is a liar except Mikey.

Hey Mikey if you dont keep your lights on at night. START.

more threats

Dan/W4NTI


No No Markey....not threats. I am trying to HELP you. I am warning you
that there are folks out here on USENET that are, by normal standards,
considered CRAZY. Folks that don't like your insults, folks that wouldn't
think twice to hunt you down and disembowel you, for what you are or claim
to be.

You see Markey, you have put YOURSELF in the unenviable position of being a
TARGET. So please consider this a warning meant in a "good way" to be
careful. It would be a shame to find out that some USENET junkie cut you up
like a Christmas Goose.

Have a good evening buddy.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Every body is wrong except Mikey. Everyone is a liar except Mikey.

Hey Mikey if you dont keep your lights on at night. START.


Gosh Dan, I hope you didn't mean me? 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Sorry, just a typo. BUt I see Markey knew who it was directed too. I
think whiny is right....way too paranoid.

Dan/W4NTI

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:32:33 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


"TOM" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote in message
ink.net...
cut


Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed.



There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen
accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the
wheel.

Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications.

then why did it not carry it according to you
cut

Whats the matter? You too stupid to read. That has already been
responded
to. You fagot jerk.

if you want (or if you don't want )as you seem to I can bring a nice
sample of your recent and past behavoir to the FBI no extra trouble
really

Dan/W4NTI


Oh I am so scarred Markey. What was that about you admitting to be a fagot,
and saying things that anyone would reasonable believe you were, or at least
want to be a child molester? Go ahead fagot and tell your FBI "contact" I
am sure they all need a laugh.

In other words....take your best shot....BUT be ready for the results.
Think YOU can handle that Markey?

Dan/W4NTI

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:29:44 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

Un Trustworthy eh? Beats the hell out of being a fagot and a child
molester
though don't it? You piece of garbage.

Dan what do you expect to be called other than a bigot when you use
such language?

I am not a child molestor I am bisexual

you are clearly untrustworthy when you believe that the one equates to
the other

makes it hard to rely on anything you say when you spout **** like
that

Dan/W4NTI

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:39 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:


You don't like my language fagot? Then STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY
CONVERSATIONS. PUT ME IN YOUR ****IN KILL FILE YOU FAGOT.

Dan/W4NTI